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Posted: 12/11/2020 3:14:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8: I ain’t never seen an a2 work down to nothing. Story on that? SN is W0004XX, so one of the first M4s in 1994. CD |
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Posted: 12/11/2020 3:14:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Those 4 carbines belong to the 83nd. Rack numbers for the arms room. Colors would can designate platoons or companies or just the fact that was the paint marker available. CD Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Originally Posted By Guntoter: I just noticed on those rifles posted above from @Combat_Diver, the stocks all have numbers stenciled on them. Is there a certain meaning to these numbers and the colors? Is anyone doing these numbers on their clones? I never paid attention to the numbers before, but there is now a thread in GD asking why they are on there, so now I am interested. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/What-is-the-numbers-on-guns-and-tape-on-magazines-called-/5-2400963/ Those 4 carbines belong to the 83nd. Rack numbers for the arms room. Colors would can designate platoons or companies or just the fact that was the paint marker available. CD Awesome, thank you. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/11/2020 3:43:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Cloner556]
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Any in the wild pics of the fn cage code raised c colt uppers, that are up for sale at tba and sac. I bought 2 but wondering what exactly they've been used on i.e. m4, m4a1, mk18, mk12 ect.? cant seem to find any pics around? seem to remember CD posting a pic with one but idk....
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Posted: 12/11/2020 6:26:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cloner556: Any in the wild pics of the fn cage code raised c colt uppers, that are up for sale at tba and sac. I bought 2 but wondering what exactly they've been used on i.e. m4, m4a1, mk18, mk12 ect.? cant seem to find any pics around? seem to remember CD posting a pic with one but idk.... Yes, I'll have to find the pics. FN M4/M4A1s. CD |
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Posted: 12/11/2020 10:02:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/11/2020 12:01:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: If that one doesn't suit you, there's one for $850 in the EE. I looked for you, I guess 2000s stuff is drying up. You could get this and an SW02 switch: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Equipment-Exchange/surefire-962-Surefire-helmet-lights-insight-FDE-dual-switch/148-2072812/ This is kind of clone even though I loathe them: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Equipment-Exchange/Surefire-M500A-Surefire-M900-Surefire-M952-w-LED-Vital-2-IR-Laser-Kit-Beretta-Crimson-Trace/148-2070439/ Thanks for checking for me and thanks again for your time in creating the weapon light reference list above - I really appreciate you. I’d seen these in the EE, just weren’t quite what I was looking for. I’ll keep using your list for reference and keep trolling the EE and interweb. This may be a pipe dream, but I’m trying to find something $300 or less with shipping included. It’s almost Christmas, so I figure a guy can wish... In one hand... and... |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/11/2020 12:42:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Standard M4A1 MWS https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_7336_jpg-1725602.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_7337_jpg-1725603.JPG CD @Combat_Diver can you speculate the reasoning for the two notches on the underside of the upper we are seeing on these FN/C surplus uppers we are getting? It looks like it struck something but too far forward to be a sear , too far back to be FCG. That's given that these parts were somehow over/outside of the lower receiver? |
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Posted: 12/11/2020 12:48:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx: @Combat_Diver can you speculate the reasoning for the two notches on the underside of the upper we are seeing on these FN/C surplus uppers we are getting? It looks like it struck something but too far forward to be a sear , too far back to be FCG. That's given that these parts were somehow over/outside of the lower receiver? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx: @Combat_Diver can you speculate the reasoning for the two notches on the underside of the upper we are seeing on these FN/C surplus uppers we are getting? It looks like it struck something but too far forward to be a sear , too far back to be FCG. That's given that these parts were somehow over/outside of the lower receiver? CD responded in the recent thread on these.... Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Anyway I've started seeing the raised FN cage code/C on FN M4A1s back end of 17'. Few months later we got NIW C raised uppers but packaging was marked with FN cage code. As you can read the packaging upper is dated 16' as posted above. As far as the wear on the lower rail, only thing that lines some want up is if the hammer spring was installed upside down (legs up). If I had known to check this a month ago I would have check about 100 suppressed full auto uppers since then. Not many where I'm at the moment. Since this is in a non critical area, I wasn't looking for it. CD |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/11/2020 12:54:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tigwelder1971: CD responded in the recent thread on these.... Damn I totally forgot that he did respond on that. Thanks Tig! |
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Posted: 12/11/2020 12:56:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx: Damn I totally forgot that he did respond on that. Thanks Tig! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx: Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971: CD responded in the recent thread on these.... Damn I totally forgot that he did respond on that. Thanks Tig!  Shit happens. |
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Posted: 12/11/2020 1:15:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tigwelder1971: CD responded in the recent thread on these.... Thanks for saving me the time  CD |
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Posted: 12/11/2020 1:16:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Thanks for saving me the time CD Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971: CD responded in the recent thread on these.... Thanks for saving me the time CD Given the opportunity, we will bend your ear hourly. Your input is MUCH appreciated here sir. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 12/11/2020 2:34:15 PM EDT
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Quick Aimpoint Comp M2 question, I see a lot of these here and maybe this is a good place to ask. I have a Comp M2 with the original QRP mount on a block 1ish clone, it looked unused and works just fine. But after 50 rounds or so the four screws clamping it to tube loosen up, is this normal and will it settle down after a while? been out with it three times now and the screws get pretty loose every time. I have a PRO on another rifle for years and the screws never loosened, but that mount does not use the spacer under the tube.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/11/2020 2:42:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CMCctx]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KP49: Quick Aimpoint Comp M2 question, I see a lot of these here and maybe this is a good place to ask. I have a Comp M2 with the original QRP mount on a block 1ish clone, it looked unused and works just fine. But after 50 rounds or so the four screws clamping it to tube loosen up, is this normal and will it settle down after a while? been out with it three times now and the screws get pretty loose every time. I have a PRO on another rifle for years and the screws never loosened, but that mount does not use the spacer under the tube. Loctite will solve your woes |
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Posted: 12/11/2020 3:06:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx: Loctite will solve your woes Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx: Originally Posted By KP49: Quick Aimpoint Comp M2 question, I see a lot of these here and maybe this is a good place to ask. I have a Comp M2 with the original QRP mount on a block 1ish clone, it looked unused and works just fine. But after 50 rounds or so the four screws clamping it to tube loosen up, is this normal and will it settle down after a while? been out with it three times now and the screws get pretty loose every time. I have a PRO on another rifle for years and the screws never loosened, but that mount does not use the spacer under the tube. Loctite will solve your woes Also push forward on the locking bar in the lugs on the rail. When the mount is sitting in the recoil lug/cross slots before the lever or locking nuts are tightened, there will often be a little play. This front-to-back wiggle is a result of the mount's recoil-lug dimensions. They are slightly undersized so that they go into and come out of the slots easily. The mount should be pushed forward so that the lug contacts the slot's front wall, especially if the mount is subject to heavy recoil or rough handling. https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/optics_st_railcrazy_200907/99242 CD |
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Posted: 12/11/2020 3:16:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KP49: Quick Aimpoint Comp M2 question, I see a lot of these here and maybe this is a good place to ask. I have a Comp M2 with the original QRP mount on a block 1ish clone, it looked unused and works just fine. But after 50 rounds or so the four screws clamping it to tube loosen up, is this normal and will it settle down after a while? been out with it three times now and the screws get pretty loose every time. I have a PRO on another rifle for years and the screws never loosened, but that mount does not use the spacer under the tube. A little thread locker is in order. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 12/11/2020 4:02:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Also push forward on the locking bar in the lugs on the rail. When the mount is sitting in the recoil lug/cross slots before the lever or locking nuts are tightened, there will often be a little play. This front-to-back wiggle is a result of the mount's recoil-lug dimensions. They are slightly undersized so that they go into and come out of the slots easily. The mount should be pushed forward so that the lug contacts the slot's front wall, especially if the mount is subject to heavy recoil or rough handling. https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/optics_st_railcrazy_200907/99242 CD Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Also push forward on the locking bar in the lugs on the rail. When the mount is sitting in the recoil lug/cross slots before the lever or locking nuts are tightened, there will often be a little play. This front-to-back wiggle is a result of the mount's recoil-lug dimensions. They are slightly undersized so that they go into and come out of the slots easily. The mount should be pushed forward so that the lug contacts the slot's front wall, especially if the mount is subject to heavy recoil or rough handling. https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/optics_st_railcrazy_200907/99242 CD The lower part on the rail isnt moving, I do push all optics forward before tightening. Its the four allen head screws that hold the sight to the mount that loosen. Thanks for the reply. Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971: A little thread locker is in order. Yea, I always hate using it if I dont have to. The spacer doesnt seem like the greatest idea. Quick pic, picked up a surplus 14.5 colt upper, regular barrel dated '09, keyhole upper, stamped C, triangle proof mark, C marked carrier. Adco spacer and the original A2 FH pinned on. PSA M4A1 lower, Comp M2, matech, P&S RAS, colt grip/buttstock. Build started with a brand new M952 light someone gave me. Not sure if really clone correct with the M952 and Comp M2 but with an H buffer its a pleasure to shoot, great carbine. Great resource in this thread as well.  |
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Posted: 12/11/2020 4:17:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KP49: The lower part on the rail isnt moving, I do push all optics forward before tightening. Its the four allen head screws that hold the sight to the mount that loosen. Thanks for the reply. Yea, I always hate using it if I dont have to. The spacer doesnt seem like the greatest idea. Quick pic, picked up a surplus 14.5 colt upper, regular barrel dated '09, keyhole upper, stamped C, triangle proof mark, C marked carrier. Adco spacer and the original A2 FH pinned on. PSA M4A1 lower, Comp M2, matech, P&S RAS, colt grip/buttstock. Build started with a brand new M952 light someone gave me. Not sure if really clone correct with the M952 and Comp M2 but with an H buffer its a pleasure to shoot, great carbine. Great resource in this thread as well. https://i.imgur.com/5ger12A.jpg You've got a pretty good late M4 MWS, approved! |
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Posted: 12/11/2020 4:31:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Guntoter]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KP49: The lower part on the rail isnt moving, I do push all optics forward before tightening. Its the four allen head screws that hold the sight to the mount that loosen. Thanks for the reply. Yea, I always hate using it if I dont have to. The spacer doesnt seem like the greatest idea. Quick pic, picked up a surplus 14.5 colt upper, regular barrel dated '09, keyhole upper, stamped C, triangle proof mark, C marked carrier. Adco spacer and the original A2 FH pinned on. PSA M4A1 lower, Comp M2, matech, P&S RAS, colt grip/buttstock. Build started with a brand new M952 light someone gave me. Not sure if really clone correct with the M952 and Comp M2 but with an H buffer its a pleasure to shoot, great carbine. Great resource in this thread as well. https://i.imgur.com/5ger12A.jpg That looks sweet and very Block 1. The M2, from what I have learned, is a Block 1 item (Combat_Diver would know the best) and the light mount, while maybe, sorta, technically is a later item it's close enough for Government work. The light and switch itself should be correct. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/11/2020 6:56:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Standard M4A1 MWS https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_7336_jpg-1725602.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_7337_jpg-1725603.JPG CD Thank you sir! just tryna figure what I should build with these. much appreciated. |
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Posted: 12/12/2020 8:55:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tigwelder1971: A couple of pics originally posted here by CD: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/IMG_8539_jpg-1092118_JPG_jpg-1725042.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/IMG_8546_jpg-1092131_JPG_jpg-1725046.JPG That should make you feel better. That grip has seen some things. |
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Posted: 12/12/2020 9:06:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: That grip has seen some things. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971: A couple of pics originally posted here by CD: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/IMG_8539_jpg-1092118_JPG_jpg-1725042.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/IMG_8546_jpg-1092131_JPG_jpg-1725046.JPG That should make you feel better. That grip has seen some things. It has..... |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:40:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KP49: The lower part on the rail isnt moving, I do push all optics forward before tightening. Its the four allen head screws that hold the sight to the mount that loosen. Thanks for the reply. Yea, I always hate using it if I dont have to. The spacer doesnt seem like the greatest idea. Quick pic, picked up a surplus 14.5 colt upper, regular barrel dated '09, keyhole upper, stamped C, triangle proof mark, C marked carrier. Adco spacer and the original A2 FH pinned on. PSA M4A1 lower, Comp M2, matech, P&S RAS, colt grip/buttstock. Build started with a brand new M952 light someone gave me. Not sure if really clone correct with the M952 and Comp M2 but with an H buffer its a pleasure to shoot, great carbine. Great resource in this thread as well. https://i.imgur.com/5ger12A.jpg m2 is correct for block 1 the m962 with sw02 tail cap or uu07 integrated pressure switch would be most correct light/mostly earliest seen, but m951/m952 are still an issued correct item though. |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 3:56:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pezboytate]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cloner556: m2 is correct for block 1 the m962 with sw02 tail cap or uu07 integrated pressure switch would be most correct light/mostly earliest seen, but m951/m952 are still an issued correct item though. It's waaaay closer to a MWS than a Block I  Attached File Attached File Attached FileThese were like 3 of the first dozen Google hits for Army M4s. Yes, I know that other items are SOPMOD other than what are in these posters but I don't think he has any of these accessories.  Attached File Attached FileIt's a pretty nice clone but it's just not a Block I. No, I don't think it's pedantic differentiating a Block I and MWS. |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 5:37:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: It's waaaay closer to a MWS than a Block I https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/original_jpg-1729251.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/M4-Carbine_jpg-1729260.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/maxresdefault_jpg-1729253.JPG These were like 3 of the first dozen Google hits for Army M4s. Yes, I know that other items are SOPMOD other than what are in these posters but I don't think he has any of these accessories. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/unnamed_jpg-1729256.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/640px-SOPMOD_2-2005_jpg-1729257.JPG It's a pretty nice clone but it's just not a Block I. No, I don't think it's pedantic differentiating a Block I and MWS. Never heard of cheek to charging handle before. 
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Posted: 12/13/2020 5:58:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: Never heard of cheek to charging handle before. That is hilarious. And he was probably wondering why his groups were all over the place. |
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Posted: 12/13/2020 7:33:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: It's waaaay closer to a MWS than a Block I https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/original_jpg-1729251.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/M4-Carbine_jpg-1729260.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/maxresdefault_jpg-1729253.JPG These were like 3 of the first dozen Google hits for Army M4s. Yes, I know that other items are SOPMOD other than what are in these posters but I don't think he has any of these accessories. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/unnamed_jpg-1729256.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/640px-SOPMOD_2-2005_jpg-1729257.JPG It's a pretty nice clone but it's just not a Block I. No, I don't think it's pedantic differentiating a Block I and MWS. |
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Posted: 12/14/2020 1:57:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: I think this needs to be addressed more often. Allot of peoples clones in here are more MWS. People see FSB and automaticity call it a block I. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By pezboytate: It's waaaay closer to a MWS than a Block I https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/original_jpg-1729251.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/M4-Carbine_jpg-1729260.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/maxresdefault_jpg-1729253.JPG These were like 3 of the first dozen Google hits for Army M4s. Yes, I know that other items are SOPMOD other than what are in these posters but I don't think he has any of these accessories. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/unnamed_jpg-1729256.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/640px-SOPMOD_2-2005_jpg-1729257.JPG It's a pretty nice clone but it's just not a Block I. No, I don't think it's pedantic differentiating a Block I and MWS. I think the issue is that the MWS and a Block I are so close in appearance. One of the biggest indicators for issue rifles would be an M4 burst vs M4A1 auto lower, although with the Army switching everything to M4A1 that isn’t really a factor anymore. The other issue for the clone specific threads is that there really isn’t a good thread to post an MWS. The M4 thread isn’t really a clone thread, just a thread for rifles with an M4 barrel. My suggestion would be to add the MWS to this thread and make it an MWS and SOPMOD Block I thread. |
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Posted: 12/14/2020 2:12:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HD2006: I think the issue is that the MWS and a Block I are so close in appearance. One of the biggest indicators for issue rifles would be an M4 burst vs M4A1 auto lower, although with the Army switching everything to M4A1 that isn’t really a factor anymore. The other issue for the clone specific threads is that there really isn’t a good thread to post an MWS. The M4 thread isn’t really a clone thread, just a thread for rifles with an M4 barrel. My suggestion would be to add the MWS to this thread and make it an MWS and SOPMOD Block I thread. I was thinking about that or making a new thread for standard issue M4s/M4A1s. Really, there should have been these threads: M4/M4A1 MWS Block I M4A1/CQBR/Mk18 Mod 0 Block II M4A1/CQBR/Mk18 Mod 1 URG-I 14.5"/11.5" Instead, they are jumbled up with Block I and Block II 10.3"s in the same thread and Block I and MWS 14.5"s in the same thread. This just blurs the lines more instead of highlighting their differences in my opinion. |
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Posted: 12/14/2020 2:36:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: I was thinking about that or making a new thread for standard issue M4s/M4A1s. Really, there should have been these threads: M4/M4A1 MWS Block I M4A1/CQBR/Mk18 Mod 0 Block II M4A1/CQBR/Mk18 Mod 1 URG-I 14.5"/11.5" Instead, they are jumbled up with Block I and Block II 10.3"s in the same thread and Block I and MWS 14.5"s in the same thread. This just blurs the lines more instead of highlighting their differences in my opinion. |
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Posted: 12/14/2020 2:43:50 PM EDT
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Posted in the cheap parts thread but AU has Colt LE6921CK uppers for $600.
Got another one to tear down for parts.
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Posted: 12/14/2020 2:45:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: I'm a dummy. Rather than a differently marked lower and fewer accessories, what is the difference? Block I M4A1 vs. M4/M4A1 MWS? |
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Posted: 12/14/2020 4:37:37 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Block I M4A1 vs. M4/M4A1 MWS? |
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Posted: 12/14/2020 4:58:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pezboytate]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: Yes I don't want to spend all day on this. I'll have parts listed in order from earlier to later. Yes, there are exceptions. Yes, there was/is some crossover. Block I M4A1: A2/M4/M4A1 selector ambi selector type I stock Gen 1 LMT SOPMOD stock standard M4/M4A1 barrel w/ H buffer heavy M4A1 barrel w/ H2 buffer no side sling mount NT4 flash hider RIS RAS 300m rear (not micro) Matech TA01NSN RX01NSN CompM2 in Wilcox mount VLI M962 (fat body and older) direct attach M203 sight PEQ-2A M4 MWS: A2/M4/M4A1 selector type I stock type IIA stock standard M4/M4A1 barrel w/ H buffer side sling mount A2 compensator RAS carry handle no BUIS Matech CompM in QRP mount CompM2 in flat or slanted QRP mount TA31F M951 QRP M203 sight PAQ-4C PEQ-2A M4A1 MWS: ambi selector type II stock heavy M4A1 barrel w/ H2 buffer side sling mount A2 compensator RAS Matech CompM4 CompM4S M150 M952V tan M320 PEQ-15 Don't burn me at the stake because there are a couple of X seen used on Y. This is just in general what was used. Yes, there were Eotechs, other lights, etc. My point is that you can't just grab any of these things and combine them and call it a Block I clone. |
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Posted: 12/14/2020 5:10:29 PM EDT
[#35]
I could've sworn their use to be a "big army" clone thread... also while we are at it, rifles seen w/ force recon/recon arnt sopmods either.
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Posted: 12/14/2020 6:27:22 PM EDT
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There is a lot of variation, both on the SOPMOD and conventional MWS side of things. Even more so when you start looking at set-ups from the various branches.
I’ll have to dig it up, but I remember reading a post from @Augee that summed it up pretty good. If you see a real world picture from the Block I era and the person is in a SOCOM unit, then the rifle is likely a SOPMOD rifle. If the person is from a conventional type unit then it’s likely an MWS, even though the pictured rifle looks basically identical. They really are pretty close in appearance. Start mixing in specialized units that aren’t SOCOM and you have some unique MWS rifles. Just an example from current issue AF M4’s. It’s not uncommon to see all variants of the M68CCO (M2, M4, M4s) still in use. Black and Tan Insight LED M3X’s are also really common. USMC Recon has some unique configurations also. Really I think it comes down to time period. As Block II’s started being issued, Block I’s really aren’t seen anymore. What’s left are various configurations of the MWS. |
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Posted: 12/14/2020 7:08:54 PM EDT
[#37]
You don't see to many block Is w/ ta31s and comp M4s.
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Posted: 12/14/2020 7:26:45 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: You don't see to many block Is w/ ta31s and comp M4s. That’s true. That goes back to my previous statement about time period. By the time the TA31 variants and the CompM4s were being issued, the SOPMOD kit was already moving to the Block II components. So while conventional MWS rifles had the CompM4/M4s the SOPMOD rifles were getting the Eotech 553. Same for the 4x optic, MWS getting the TA31 while SOPOD was getting the Elcan. Early GWOT Block I’s and MWS rifles are where it will be harder to distinguish. When you get into the era of the Block 1.5/II is where it’s easier to tell the difference. |
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Posted: 12/14/2020 7:40:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HD2006: Early GWOT Block I's and MWS rifles are where it will be harder to distinguish. When you get into the era of the Block 1.5/II is where it's easier to tell the difference. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/14/2020 7:54:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Cloner556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: It's waaaay closer to a MWS than a Block I https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/original_jpg-1729251.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/M4-Carbine_jpg-1729260.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/maxresdefault_jpg-1729253.JPG These were like 3 of the first dozen Google hits for Army M4s. Yes, I know that other items are SOPMOD other than what are in these posters but I don't think he has any of these accessories. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/unnamed_jpg-1729256.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/640px-SOPMOD_2-2005_jpg-1729257.JPG It's a pretty nice clone but it's just not a Block I. No, I don't think it's pedantic differentiating a Block I and MWS. I fully agree ! I am guilty of using them interchangeably.... |
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Posted: 12/14/2020 8:45:57 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyPilot12: Posted in the cheap parts thread but AU has Colt LE6921CK uppers for $600. Got another one to tear down for parts. |
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Posted: 12/14/2020 9:02:14 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HD2006: That’s true. That goes back to my previous statement about time period. By the time the TA31 variants and the CompM4s were being issued, the SOPMOD kit was already moving to the Block II components. So while conventional MWS rifles had the CompM4/M4s the SOPMOD rifles were getting the Eotech 553. Same for the 4x optic, MWS getting the TA31 while SOPOD was getting the Elcan. Early GWOT Block I’s and MWS rifles are where it will be harder to distinguish. When you get into the era of the Block 1.5/II is where it’s easier to tell the difference. I don't think it's that hard to distinguish honestly. 99 times out of 100 it will be easy to tell. This:  Is an M4 MWS. Just like a lot of the other rifles in this thread. It's not that I don't like them or don't approve of them. Quite the contrary. I just don't want them called SOPMOD Block I clones. |
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Posted: 12/14/2020 11:12:24 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: I don't want to spend all day on this. I'll have parts listed in order from earlier to later. Yes, there are exceptions. Yes, there was/is some crossover. Block I M4A1: A2/M4/M4A1 selector ambi selector type I stock Gen 1 LMT SOPMOD stock standard M4/M4A1 barrel w/ H buffer heavy M4A1 barrel w/ H2 buffer no side sling mount NT4 flash hider RIS RAS 300m rear (not micro) Matech TA02 ACOG RX01 Reflex CompM2 in Wilcox mount VLI M962 (fat body and older) direct attach M203 sight PEQ-2A M4 MWS: A2/M4/M4A1 selector type I stock type IIA stock standard M4/M4A1 barrel w/ H buffer side sling mount A2 compensator RAS carry handle no BUIS Matech CompM in QRP mount CompM2 in flat or slanted QRP mount TA31F M951 QRP M203 sight PAQ-4C PEQ-2A M4A1 MWS: ambi selector type II stock heavy M4A1 barrel w/ H2 buffer side sling mount A2 compensator RAS Matech CompM4 CompM4S M150 M952V tan M320 PEQ-15 Don't burn me at the stake because there are a couple of X seen used on Y. This is just in general what was used. Yes, there were Eotechs, other lights, etc. My point is that you can't just grab any of these things and combine them and call it a Block I clone. Typo on Blk 1. TA01NSN ACOG Side sling mount and A2 FH maybe present as part of basic M4A1. Depends on when accessories came in. I started receiving the ACOG in 95’ but NT4 in 98’ CD |
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Posted: 12/14/2020 11:46:25 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Typo on Blk 1. TA01NSN ACOG Side sling mount and A2 FH maybe present as part of basic M4A1. Depends on when accessories came in. I started receiving the ACOG in 95’ but NT4 in 98’ CD Whoops, fixed. Wasn't trying to have an exhaustive list but yeah, transitional from basic M4A1 to Block I M4A1 and basic M4 to M4 MWS of course. In the world of cloning a 2011 P&S RAS and 2008 M951 wouldn't be going on what is supposed to be a 1996 M4A1. |
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Posted: 12/14/2020 11:51:05 PM EDT
[#45]
What year did matechs come online?
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Posted: 12/15/2020 12:03:41 AM EDT
[#46]
We were issued the a.r.m.s. 40l as well.
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Posted: 12/16/2020 5:35:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Vehemence]
[#47]
DSArms just sent me a notification that they have the KAC M4 RAS in stock.
I just got another for myself. Figured I’d give a heads up if anyone else needs one. KAC M4 RAS |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 10:18:14 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: I don't think it's that hard to distinguish honestly. 99 times out of 100 it will be easy to tell. This: https://i.imgur.com/5ger12A_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium Is an M4 MWS. Just like a lot of the other rifles in this thread. It's not that I don't like them or don't approve of them. Quite the contrary. I just don't want them called SOPMOD Block I clones. I cant get on board with all this.. there's many pics including combat diver pics of cqbrs or m4a1 with sling swivels and ainpoints in qrp mounts and a variety of flashlights and lasers. A modern day MWS is basically what an early block 1 was before block 2 took off. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 10:24:33 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wissota4: I cant get on board with all this.. there's many pics including combat diver pics of cqbrs or m4a1 with sling swivels and ainpoints in qrp mounts and a variety of flashlights and lasers. A modern day MWS is basically what an early block 1 was before block 2 took off. A modern day MWS is very easily distinguished from an early Block I. Change my mind. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 10:39:16 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: A modern day MWS is very easily distinguished from an early Block I. Change my mind. Completely agree. |
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