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Posted: 1/20/2022 3:00:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThanks. Somehow I didn't see the MOE handguard one when I looked at Brownell's. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 3:24:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIZZO_ARAKM14: Yep, the marines fucked up by forcing that A2 length stock on us. Yep, a rifle doesn't clear a house as easy as an SBR. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIZZO_ARAKM14: Yep, the marines fucked up by forcing that A2 length stock on us. Yep, a rifle doesn't clear a house as easy as an SBR. coldblue: The only part of the A2 program I regret was the longer buttstock, that ironically the Army's Human Engineering Lab endorsed; and of course the 3-round burst control. The M16A1 buttstock length was unchanged as we switched to the more modern and many times stronger Du Pont Zytel material. It was subsequent input from the Army's Human Engineering Laboratory (HEL) that prompted the length increase. HEL actually had data supporting almost a one inch increase, but the existing Arms Room M12 Rifle Racks would not accept more than the 5/8" increase we applied to the new stock. Incidentally, we also increased the depth of the cleaning kit void formed in its foam fill the 5/8" as well. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 3:52:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: 
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TN, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2022 9:49:55 PM EDT
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What models of Aimpoints are useable with a clone M16A4?
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Posted: 1/27/2022 1:35:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By retrohead2: What models of Aimpoints are useable with a clone M16A4? I’ve only seen the CompM4 and CompM4s. |
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Posted: 2/2/2022 11:09:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Capt_Destro]
[#6]
Sorry to ask a dumb question.
I know GDI mounts have been used on Acogs. Have they ever been used/issued with Comp M2s? For $60 they are an absolute steal. |
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Posted: 2/5/2022 6:41:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By von_landstuhl: I’ve only seen the CompM4 and CompM4s. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By von_landstuhl: Originally Posted By retrohead2: What models of Aimpoints are useable with a clone M16A4? I’ve only seen the CompM4 and CompM4s. Most Army A4s were equipped with M68 / CompM2s back when I saw them in 2005-2006. I've posted this first photo of my rifle before in this thread, and I think I posted the second photo (cropped from a larger shot of me) also but can't find the page it was on. Both were taken in Baghdad in April/May 2005. Don't mind the way-to-clean DCUs in that second one...  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 2/5/2022 6:54:10 PM EDT
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I just noticed something odd in some of the photos of FN A4s that I've saved over the years. It looks like some early rifles were missing the "3" from the FN CAGE code, 3S679, so they were just marked "S679." Anyone ever come across that before? I don't recall it coming up in discussion here, but I might have missed it in all these pages. Wonder if that was just a manufacturing error.
FNMI SN 1010611:  Attached FileFNMI SN 1011836 (a little small, you may have to download and blow it up to see it):  Attached FileFNMI SN 10151178:  Attached FileI'm a little uncertain about those first two images. They appear to be real A4s, but I thought all the FN serial numbers started in the 8-digit range, instead of 7 like those two. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/5/2022 7:07:25 PM EDT
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On the topic of rifles with M68 CCOs….OIF I/II called and they want their A4 back.
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Posted: 2/5/2022 7:40:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3ACR_Scout: I just noticed something odd in some of the photos of FN A4s that I've saved over the years. It looks like some early rifles were missing the "3" from the FN CAGE code, 3S679, so they were just marked "S679." FNMI SN 10151178:  That's what you found odd about that 3rd picture? Not the fact that the bolt catch is being held in by an allen wrech?? ... |
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Posted: 2/5/2022 7:46:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Molon: That's what you found odd about that 3rd picture? Not the fact that the bolt catch is being held in by an allen wrech?? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Molon: Originally Posted By 3ACR_Scout: I just noticed something odd in some of the photos of FN A4s that I've saved over the years. It looks like some early rifles were missing the "3" from the FN CAGE code, 3S679, so they were just marked "S679." FNMI SN 10151178: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/27888/FN_M16A4_SN_10151178_jpg-2268191.JPG That's what you found odd about that 3rd picture? Not the fact that the bolt catch is being held in by an allen wrech?? Ha! Yeah, I guess I've looked at that photo so many times that I gave up trying to figure that one out! |
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Posted: 2/7/2022 12:54:47 PM EDT
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FN A2s should be in the 7mil range and A4s in the 10mil range for SNs.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 2/15/2022 6:51:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2022 7:34:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: https://i.postimg.cc/gkDmGnPy/Screenshot-20220215-174219.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/MKxzk1gK/Screenshot-20220215-174852.jpg First time I've seen pics of the Army using A4s with ACOGs |
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Posted: 2/15/2022 8:13:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: https://i.postimg.cc/gkDmGnPy/Screenshot-20220215-174219.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/MKxzk1gK/Screenshot-20220215-174852.jpg The one on the left with car stock and variable power optic is interesting. |
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Posted: 2/16/2022 12:29:25 AM EDT
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So I have added the correct ACOG to my A4 and a Steiner DBAL D2. Have a Surefire M600 1000 lumen Scout that will be here tomorrow. I want to order the best sling setup next. I’m not concerned with clone correctness, but rather the best setup. So I’m torn between the Specter 3 point SOP sling and the Blue Force Gear Vickers sling with the A2 butt stock adapter. Not sure I want a stock mag pouch, hell this setup is getting too heavy already. So let me hear which is better and why.
Pic thread:  Attached FileThanks, ARKAR |
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Posted: 2/17/2022 10:23:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARKAR: So I have added the correct ACOG to my A4 and a Steiner DBAL D2. Have a Surefire M600 1000 lumen Scout that will be here tomorrow. I want to order the best sling setup next. I’m not concerned with clone correctness, but rather the best setup. So I’m torn between the Specter 3 point SOP sling and the Blue Force Gear Vickers sling with the A2 butt stock adapter. Not sure I want a stock mag pouch, hell this setup is getting too heavy already. So let me hear which is better and why. Pic thread: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/50570/960E8867-8855-4D12-80DD-F36C4373DA82_jpe-2281291.JPG Thanks, ARKAR I landed on the Vickers sling and butt stock adapter after several attempts with other set-ups. I also use a BFG sling loop on the A2 post, it's not clone correct but it beats duct taping the sling to the top of the rifle. I was issued a 3 point sling and I loathed it. Good luck and post up what ya go with! |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 7:02:19 AM EDT
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The Vickers is what I decided to go with as well. The only reason I haven’t ordered is now I’m thinking of changing the A2 stock to the Vltor A5 setup. I hate to loose the classic look but the A2 is just almost too long. I swapped the lower with my M4/SOPMOD stock lower and it’s much more comfortable but just looks so wrong(even though I’m not really into aesthetics). I have the Vickers slings in two other rifles and really like them. Which rear adapter did you go with? The one that blocks the trap door or the other. Thank you for your feedback, that’s really what I wanted to hear.
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Posted: 2/20/2022 8:42:54 PM EDT
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Its getting there. VFG is otw.
Probably going to put an aimpoint pro on it w/ correct mount.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/20/2022 9:54:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARKAR: The Vickers is what I decided to go with as well. The only reason I haven’t ordered is now I’m thinking of changing the A2 stock to the Vltor A5 setup. I hate to loose the classic look but the A2 is just almost too long. I swapped the lower with my M4/SOPMOD stock lower and it’s much more comfortable but just looks so wrong(even though I’m not really into aesthetics). I have the Vickers slings in two other rifles and really like them. Which rear adapter did you go with? The one that blocks the trap door or the other. Thank you for your feedback, that’s really what I wanted to hear. ARKAR A suggestion about that stock, that I am going to pursue myself is to find an A1 length stock. I find mine could be shortened up as well, didnt recall that on my issued rifles though. Yes I got the one that blocks the trap door, we cut and then sewed velco on our A4s to have access to it but now I dont have to have it. No biggie. I took mine out back today, I have developed a major case of SUCK past 100 meters with iron sights
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Posted: 2/21/2022 9:09:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ARKAR]
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Have you ever seen a Colt Canada CS stock? It’s an A1 length stock made of the same material and uses the same butt plate as the A2.
Edit: Sent you an IM. |
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Posted: 2/21/2022 9:17:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: samsgreen50]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARKAR: Have you ever seen a Colt Canada CS stock? It’s an A1 length stock made of the same material and uses the same butt plate as the A2. Edit: Sent you an IM. I havent, I'm shopping tonight though so I'll look. I may be on the ACOG train sooner than later.  Edit to add, thanks for the IM and for costing me more money 
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Posted: 2/21/2022 9:26:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARKAR: Have you ever seen a Colt Canada CS stock? It’s an A1 length stock made of the same material and uses the same butt plate as the A2. Edit: Sent you an IM. @ARKAR Can you send me the info too? |
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Posted: 2/21/2022 9:32:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By officerX: @ARKAR Can you send me the info too? Sent. I’m probably going with the A5 kit anyway. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 2/21/2022 9:37:20 PM EDT
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The Colt CS stock is the stock that everyone wants/needs that no one will make... https://www.apexgunparts.com/colt-cs-m16a2-buttstock-assy-w-early-buffer-gd.html
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Posted: 2/21/2022 10:12:14 PM EDT
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Cav Arms makes one but the quality isn’t as good as the CS stock. I just can’t bring myself to give that much for a used CS.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 2/21/2022 10:53:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARKAR: Cav Arms makes one but the quality isn’t as good as the CS stock. I just can’t bring myself to give that much for a used CS. I think the Cav stock would be perfect IF they did away with the wide open slot for the sling swivel and filled the plastic stock body with hard closed cell foam with a hollow for a cleaning kit compartment. At that point it would finally be what it should have been the whole time. 
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Posted: 2/22/2022 9:23:58 PM EDT
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Mine has an A1 stock, I’m about 5’9” and really don’t like A2 stocks. This feels just right!
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Posted: 2/24/2022 10:52:01 PM EDT
[#29]
 " />Swapped the Comp M2 out for an older model TA31F. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 2/25/2022 6:35:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: w0lfattack]
[#30]
My attempt at a USMC M16A4 clone. I didn’t realize how expensive this all was going to be. 🤡
Colt AR15A4 Trijicon ACOG TA31RCO-A4 KAC M5 RAS - Vero KAC Vertical Grip - Vero KAC Rail Covers - Vero Surefire M962 w/red filter OKC 3S Bayonet Cav Mfg C1 Stock (Give me a break, I got short arms and that eye relief is brutal. 😅)     
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Posted: 2/25/2022 6:44:21 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By w0lfattack: My attempt at a USMC M16A4 clone. I didn’t realize how expensive this all was going to be. 🤡 Colt AR15A4 Trijicon ACOG TA31RCO-A4 KAC M5 RAS - Vero KAC Vertical Grip - Vero KAC Rail Covers - Vero Surefire M962 w/red filter OKC 3S Bayonet Cav Mfg C1 Stock (Give me a break, I got short arms and that eye relief is brutal. 😅) https://i.imgur.com/22InfJt.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EhAfs1I.jpg https://i.imgur.com/a6HVrOK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HGNVIaP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/WGKpvMa.jpg Nicely done! |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 8:50:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By w0lfattack: My attempt at a USMC M16A4 clone. I didn’t realize how expensive this all was going to be. 🤡 Colt AR15A4 Trijicon ACOG TA31RCO-A4 KAC M5 RAS - Vero KAC Vertical Grip - Vero KAC Rail Covers - Vero Surefire M962 w/red filter OKC 3S Bayonet Cav Mfg C1 Stock (Give me a break, I got short arms and that eye relief is brutal. 😅) https://i.imgur.com/22InfJt.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EhAfs1I.jpg https://i.imgur.com/a6HVrOK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HGNVIaP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/WGKpvMa.jpg This is my finish line! Well done! I'll get there soon I hope. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 6:18:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/4/2022 1:44:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: IT-Gunner]
[#34]
Adding my build in...finished it about a month ago :)
Surplus FN stripped upper New FN upper parts, FN BCG, FN CH, FN CHF Barrel, FN FSB and FN A2 FH Surplus Matech BUIS Surplus Trijicon ACOG TA31RCO-M4 Pre-2010 Bible Verse with Tenebraex AGA-ARD KillFlash Anti-Reflection 2890 Surplus SureFire M952 Kit w/ IR Surplus KAC M5 RAS w/ VFG and rail covers PSA M16A4 marked lower Surplus A2 stock Specter M16 2 point sling and buttstock mag pouch USMC UID tag from Carolina Laser Works    
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ID, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2022 4:30:24 PM EDT
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Is the Matech the only clone correct folding rear sight or were KACs also issued?
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Posted: 3/25/2022 5:15:39 PM EDT
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This thread may answer your question: https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Questions_about_the_M16A4/118-688916/?page=1
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Posted: 3/31/2022 10:19:26 AM EDT
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Is there any correct suppressors for a m16a4?
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Posted: 3/31/2022 11:03:44 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By starjammir: Is there any correct suppressors for a m16a4? I've seen it with the Gemtech HALO |
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Posted: 3/31/2022 12:13:00 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SgtKiwi: I've seen it with the Gemtech HALO In the service? |
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Posted: 3/31/2022 1:57:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ehtacs]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By starjammir: In the service?  They were small buys from various Army and USMC units - NT4 was more common - but the Halo was ready for M4s and M16s without the KAC hider. Halo has an NSN somewhere. ETA: 1005-LL-MC9-2936 - SUPPRESSOR HALO 5.56 GEMTECH 1005-01-633-1951 - GEMTECH GMT-HALO 5.56 SUPPRESSOR  Attached FileChatter in the M4 thread |
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Posted: 4/27/2022 6:33:59 PM EDT
[#41]
Bump! Finally got this A4 finished for now... Last piece was the A2 sling mount. Colt AR15-A4 with a Colt M203 ft. aforementioned Halo for shits. Grabbed some 80s and a few stencils... May try forging an M16A4 lower at some point. Thanks to @sawgunner73 for the missing M5 component to mount up the M203!
   That was a 100 yard shot that I was ~2ft to the left of!.. Aimed at the plates, though, and should have been aiming at the base! Lessons learned... |
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Posted: 5/6/2022 8:21:33 PM EDT
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Grab an ACOG and you’re set!
 Attached FileCOLT FIREARMS A4 AR-15 RIFLE .223 / 5.56 NATO 20-INCH 30RD |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 5:50:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Vehemence]
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Posted: 5/21/2022 7:13:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARKAR: Cav Arms makes one but the quality isn’t as good as the CS stock. I just can’t bring myself to give that much for a used CS. What does CS stand for again? Now that I built a spare m16a2, I need to build an m16a4. Anyone got pointers on a clone correct barrel? |
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Posted: 5/21/2022 7:30:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Vehemence]
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Posted: 6/2/2022 12:52:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MontstrSp]
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 Attached File Attached File Attached FileOhio Ordnance FN surplus upper with Knights M5, F stamped upper with no M4 cuts, cage code button broached barrel, PSA A4 lower, A1 stock, Larue MBT, TAG sling, TA31 on a Larue LT799 surplus mount, forward mounted GSG flip up rear sight, Surefire Scout on RM45 offset mount, Colt M7 bayonet Was thinking of selling it, might just keep it. Iphone/arfcom keeps rotating my pics. |
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Posted: 6/3/2022 3:14:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/3/2022 9:50:58 AM EDT
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Nice looking gun !
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USA
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Posted: 6/3/2022 11:40:25 AM EDT
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Trying to find a FDE mag pouch that matches my A4 I had in Iraq. It had a velcro patch that went over the flap that close over the mag.
The only other thing I need is a tan ATPIAL with black buttons & lens covers. Not sure if I'll ever be able to find that. |
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Posted: 6/13/2022 4:23:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Vehemence]
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USMC simulated combat training at Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center
Twentynine Palms, CA in October 2019  Attached FileUSMC SWAT Team  Attached File |
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