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Posted: 11/17/2019 1:06:54 PM EDT
[#1]
Ill take 25 cents a round over 50 cent, everyday
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Posted: 11/17/2019 1:09:50 PM EDT
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I have no fucking idea what they are talking about. I have tons of 5.56 and most of my guns are 5.56, I shoot mine at range, close up, I hunt with it and shoot competition with it, I'm confident that I could defend myself with it. I dont even stockpile the wizbang 5.56 yet, mostly 55gr 193 clones.
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Posted: 11/17/2019 1:10:09 PM EDT
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I'll be bringing a 5.56. Works well with minimal recoil.
I've shot this one to 700 yards.  Into the gun! I can see using other calibers for special purposes, but 5.56 is an excellent option for general purpose warfare. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 1:11:30 PM EDT
[#4]
You are right. Throw everything out and start over with AR-10
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Posted: 11/17/2019 1:12:37 PM EDT
[#5]
5.56 has killed a lot of bad guys.
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Posted: 11/17/2019 1:15:33 PM EDT
[#6]
These are the good ole days in the AR world. So many calibers to choose from and parts are cheap.
556 wont be obsolete in our lifetime. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 1:18:27 PM EDT
[#7]
So the 556 is obsolete and the 308 is not...
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5.56 has killed a lot of bad guys. And his 222/223 brothers are also known to be a great hunting caliber. OP, ask those people if they want to be shot with it and listen to their answer.. 
I bet those same people will also tell us how crappy and obsolete the 9mm is.. 
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Posted: 11/17/2019 1:19:06 PM EDT
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I'll stick with the round that can perform at both short and long range for half the price or better of the others.
Those other calibers are specialty calibers for a reason. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 1:20:42 PM EDT
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Ill take 25 cents a round over 50 cent, everyday Trust me has brutal recoil compared to the slight increase in performance.. which does not does outperform 7.62 at distance or 6.5 Grendel in any sphere. 5.56 w/good shot placement and methods of engagement plenty lethal MK262 is a great match bullet A lot pf PD use hollow points What 5.56 only real need is ability to defeat Soviet/Chinese ballistic plates. Soviets have a 5.45 that defeats ours. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 1:22:37 PM EDT
[#10]
OP is smoking something.
.308 is getting beat up bad by 6.5 and .300 Blackout was a dumb fad that crested in 2015. 5.56 has a range of projectiles for just about anything, its never been stronger. I'm not sure if any caliber has ever been as dominant as 556 is now. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 1:24:43 PM EDT
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Everyone wants .308, 6.5, or 300 black out. Seems nobody likes the 5.56 anymore. When ever anyone talks of combat, they either want a .308 for long range, or a 300 black out for close range. You know the typical comments, "oh, if I'm going into real combat I won't be shooting 5.56 rounds but .308 rounds" I just get the feeling that 5.56 ar15 is not worth it anymore and is obsolete when compared to these other rounds. Why use it when you can use a specialized caliber that is far better? Hard to justify stocking up on pmags or anything to do with the 5.56 ar15. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 1:25:24 PM EDT
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5 56 is good as any other caliber. It has it's own uses. Inside 300 yards it is quite effective and pretty good in penetrating softer armours, decent ballistic coefficient, low recoil, ammo are cheap and light to carry, rifles and carbines chambered in 223 can be really lightweight, the caliber is widespread. Of course a 308 is better in some apppications, worse in other.
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Posted: 11/17/2019 1:27:11 PM EDT
[#13]
No it's not obsolete. It's better. Lighter, cheaper, flatter shooting at shorter distances, and fragmentation allows it to punch above its weight.
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Posted: 11/17/2019 1:41:39 PM EDT
[#14]
LOL
5.56 is light weight, penetrates well due to high velocity and is very flat shooting. Other rounds have advantages and disadvantages but none are superior to 5.56 overall. .308 is a different animal used for different purposes. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 1:45:32 PM EDT
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So the 556 is obsolete and the 308 is not...
+1 And his 222/223 brothers are also known to be a great hunting caliber. OP, ask those people if they want to be shot with it and listen to their answer..
I bet those same people will also tell us how crappy and obsolete the 9mm is.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
So the 556 is obsolete and the 308 is not...
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5.56 has killed a lot of bad guys. And his 222/223 brothers are also known to be a great hunting caliber. OP, ask those people if they want to be shot with it and listen to their answer..
I bet those same people will also tell us how crappy and obsolete the 9mm is.. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 1:52:17 PM EDT
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I have 5.56, 6.5G, 6,8SPC, 7.62Nato
My 5.56 isn't going anywhere. it's a great caliber This thread should be moved to GD 
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Posted: 11/17/2019 1:53:18 PM EDT
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Its not "better".
Its not worse either. Pick you flavor.. or flavors... and go shoot. Too many people worry about the diameter of the bore, and dont worry enough about the diameter of the group of hits. .308 doesn't suck because 6.5 Grendel.. 5.56 doesn't suck because 300 BO... Cost is relative... reloading is a thing... plenty of ways to make shooting affordable. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 1:53:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/17/2019 1:55:59 PM EDT
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OP you've been here since 2003?
You should know better. And you should find some new friends if theyre telling you this. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 2:01:03 PM EDT
[#20]
You are mistaking new hotness discussion for actual usage data.
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Posted: 11/17/2019 2:05:26 PM EDT
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You know why the caliber “wars” are what they are? Money. Could 9MM have been improved upon and 40 S&W not exist today? Yes. 5.56 is the Cali we because it met the minimum requirements set by the gov and was the right price. Has nothing to do with anything else but money. I have 5.56 because of money. 6.8 is being developed because of money. 6.8 will most likely take forever (if ever) to be adopted because money. Obviously different calibers are used for different purposes. But for the purposes of small arms, I’d probably take 1k rounds of 9MM over 1k rounds of 45 because of money. 1k rounds of 5.56 over 7.62 because of money. The value in the AK platform dropped because the surplus ammo was starting to dry up and drove prices up... The people that say these things are the same that say “I’d rather be shot with xxx caliber”. I don’t want to be shot with any caliber and never give attention to those types of questions. Dead is dead. Two rounds of 5.56 to drop a dude vs two rounds of 7.62. Do the math and it’s money.
If you take anything away from this it’s about money. Companies don’t create new calibers for effectiveness. They create new calibers and rounds for money. ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. If there was more money to be made by 380 they would 100% work on 380, not show us ballistics, and tell us real men use 380. That’s how it works. It’s marketing. And by the time people do real world ballistics (there are some fucking brilliant ballisticians on ARFCOM), the fudds at gunstores already have customers convinced. It’s all about the money. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 2:06:22 PM EDT
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I have spent the last 7 years in the firearms business and this is absolutely not the case. 5.56mm is more popular than ever, the vast majority of semi-automatic rifles sold are 5.56mm and it is one of the best selling cartridges, certainly outpacing 308, 6.5 and 300blk. It actually appears to me that .308 has lost a significant amount of steam. 308 semi-automatic rifle sales are flat, people don't seem to care at all. 6.5's are more popular than ever, but that hardly means the demand is on pace with 5.56mm. As far as 300blk goes, I still consider it fringe. The amount of models any given AR15 manufacturer makes in 5.56mm versus 300blk is proof enough. Finally can you name any government agency who has recently adopted en-mass a new 308, 300blk, or 6.5 to replace a 5.56mm? How about to supplement a 5.56mm? None.
Who cares what some fat Call of Duty kid wants to take into "real combat". They don't know shit and they wouldn't get a choice anyway. Not worth it? Is there a single 308 mag that is cheaper a Pmag? Is there a single 308, 300blk, or 6.5 box of ammo that is cheaper than M855 or M193? It would seem to me it is of great value and the opposite of "not worth it". Yea sure specialized cartridges for specialized things. 300blk is excellent for suppressed sub shooting, 308 and 6.5 offer greater effective range out of what is typically a longer and heavier rifle. But what about non-specialized shooting? What about affordable, bulk, reliable and proven shooting at a rapid pace at unknown distances between you and 300yds? |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 2:58:59 PM EDT
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Short answer? No.
Long answer? Absolutely not. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 3:08:09 PM EDT
[#24]
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OP, ask those people if they want to be shot with it and listen to their answer.. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 3:13:18 PM EDT
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People would be far better off learning to shoot better then going to the next ''hot'' caliber.
The person who puts rounds on target accurately almost always wins the gunfight. As far as distance shooting against the enemy............look around you, how far, for most people, would even a rifle fight occur? Even plain ol' M193 is going to F you up at 50 yards badly and past a couple hundred yards, unless they are seriously stupid or wearing blaze orange with a flashing strobe on their heads, you will have a very hard time even seeing them. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 3:14:14 PM EDT
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Everyone wants .308, 6.5, or 300 black out. Seems nobody likes the 5.56 anymore. Most people start with a 556 AR then get a wildcat because they read about how it operates. After they get tired of spending 50+ cents to do the same thinga 556 does they stop shooting it. There might be a few times a new caliber will be better but less than 1 percent of shooters will ever need or see those benifits |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 3:23:18 PM EDT
[#27]
Nothing will ever supplant 5.56 as my primary carbine caliber. I'm 29 and will use it til I die.
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Posted: 11/17/2019 3:28:26 PM EDT
[#28]
I have all of them. If things went really south the 5.56 is still king for weight:effectiveness and cost:effectiveness and by far on availability.
The Teotwawki, Boogaloo, CW2, WW2, etc should still be a 5.56 |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 3:29:10 PM EDT
[#29]
Lol
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Posted: 11/17/2019 3:33:34 PM EDT
[#30]
I think where people are getting some of these ideas is that many people already have 5.56 rifles and they want one in another caliber for hunting. So they are buying these new calibers for hunting which skews the numbers on how popular they are. Looking at ammo sales numbers would give you a better idea on what type and how much ammo in the different calibers is being sold.
My boss has a couple 5.56 rifles and a .350 Bushmaster for hunting deer because it's legal to use around here unlike a rifle round like 5.56 or .308. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 3:33:38 PM EDT
[#31]
I’d take a 5.56 over any of those cartridges listed, especially the 300blk
 . I can see the allure of the .308 or the 6.5’s for hunting larger game. But with 5.56 mk262 I can easily bang all day long from 0-850yds, have a lighter gun, carry more ammo and put more rounds on target faster and cheaper.
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Posted: 11/17/2019 3:36:22 PM EDT
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Everyone wants .308, 6.5, or 300 black out. Seems nobody likes the 5.56 anymore. When ever anyone talks of combat, they either want a .308 for long range, or a 300 black out for close range. You know the typical comments, "oh, if I'm going into real combat I won't be shooting 5.56 rounds but .308 rounds" I just get the feeling that 5.56 ar15 is not worth it anymore and is obsolete when compared to these other rounds. Why use it when you can use a specialized caliber that is far better? Hard to justify stocking up on pmags or anything to do with the 5.56 ar15. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 4:16:17 PM EDT
[#33]
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Everyone wants .308, 6.5, or 300 black out. Seems nobody likes the 5.56 anymore. When ever anyone talks of combat, they either want a .308 for long range, or a 300 black out for close range. You know the typical comments, "oh, if I'm going into real combat I won't be shooting 5.56 rounds but .308 rounds" I just get the feeling that 5.56 ar15 is not worth it anymore and is obsolete when compared to these other rounds. Why use it when you can use a specialized caliber that is far better? Hard to justify stocking up on pmags or anything to do with the 5.56 ar15. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 4:19:45 PM EDT
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5.56 will be popular for a very long time.
"Yes that's true plus: 300BLK is only good for short range ......." BS "I'm not sure if any caliber has ever been as dominant as 556 is now ......." Globally, no comparison to the popularity / "dominance" of the 7.62 x 39. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 4:28:31 PM EDT
[#35]
Lol, no way... I don't care for any of those calibers that you mentioned in your OP, 5.56 is still king.
.308 is antique. .300 Blackout is pointless. 6.5 Grendel used to be interesting, but it's certainly not popular. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 4:30:32 PM EDT
[#36]
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I have spent the last 7 years in the firearms business and this is absolutely not the case. 5.56mm is more popular than ever, the vast majority of semi-automatic rifles sold are 5.56mm and it is one of the best selling cartridges, certainly outpacing 308, 6.5 and 300blk. It actually appears to me that .308 has lost a significant amount of steam. 308 semi-automatic rifle sales are flat, people don't seem to care at all. 6.5's are more popular than ever, but that hardly means the demand is on pace with 5.56mm. As far as 300blk goes, I still consider it fringe. The amount of models any given AR15 manufacturer makes in 5.56mm versus 300blk is proof enough. Finally can you name any government agency who has recently adopted en-mass a new 308, 300blk, or 6.5 to replace a 5.56mm? How about to supplement a 5.56mm? None. Who cares what some fat Call of Duty kid wants to take into "real combat". They don't know shit and they wouldn't get a choice anyway. Not worth it? Is there a single 308 mag that is cheaper a Pmag? Is there a single 308, 300blk, or 6.5 box of ammo that is cheaper than M855 or M193? It would seem to me it is of great value and the opposite of "not worth it". Yea sure specialized cartridges for specialized things. 300blk is excellent for suppressed sub shooting, 308 and 6.5 offer greater effective range out of what is typically a longer and heavier rifle. But what about non-specialized shooting? What about affordable, bulk, reliable and proven shooting at a rapid pace at unknown distances between you and 300yds? 
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Posted: 11/17/2019 4:45:03 PM EDT
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No way. The people who say they need 308 for range have never truly stretched the legs on their ARs.
If you enjoy podcasts. The guys at primary and secondary do a 5.56 vs 308 and other interim cartridges. I believe it’s episode #103. They have multiple people who have put lots of bad guys down with 556. They talk the pros and cons of a 556 caliber rifle vs a battle rifle. I’ll save you two hours and just say 5.56 was ahead of its time, and it does it’s job extremely well out to 500yards. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 4:54:51 PM EDT
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I don't know if "obsolete" is the correct word.
I'm not buying 5.56 anymore....but that is different then throwing away all of my 5.56. I'd say the advancement of other small frame calibers has pushed 5.56 from "all purpose" to "general purpose". Remember, it was originally an intermediate round that ended up being used for everything. 5.56 is getting squeezed from both sides. 00 I'm in the process of slimming down my inventory...which started with a bunch of 5.56 that ranged from 10.5" to 20". Here is where I landed (YMMV) *In terms of short barrel performance/situations, my 8.5" (now 9") .300blk >>> my 10.5" 5.56. After I went .300blk, I took my original 10.5" 5.56 barrel and upped it to 12.5" 5.56 *In terms of "cheapest to put holes in paper, my .22LR conversion kit >>>>>> everything, including 5.56. My 12.5" 5.56 often has a .22LR kit in it. "In terms of long distance shooting, 6.5G >> 5.56. I don't shoot my free floated 20" 5.56 with a 3x12 scope, but I'm been toying with the idea of turning that weapon into a 20" 6.5G (what is stopping me is the thought of buying new mags, a new bolt, and stocking another caliber when I don't shoot long distance). With all of that said.....the one 5.56 I will not be getting rid off is my 16" middy 5.56. Loaded with 77gr IMI, it is a reliable, soft shooting, not too expensive, not too blasty, accurate, powerful, "jack of all, master of none", package (and I still have 12.5" 5.56 as well). 5.56 is NATO....so it isn't going anywhere anytime soon. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 4:56:22 PM EDT
[#39]
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Lol, no way... I don't care for any of those calibers that you mentioned in your OP, 5.56 is still king. .308 is antique. .300 Blackout is pointless. 6.5 Grendel used to be interesting, but it's certainly not popular.
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Posted: 11/17/2019 5:54:30 PM EDT
[#40]
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Everyone wants .308, 6.5, or 300 black out. Seems nobody likes the 5.56 anymore. When ever anyone talks of combat, they either want a .308 for long range, or a 300 black out for close range. You know the typical comments, "oh, if I'm going into real combat I won't be shooting 5.56 rounds but .308 rounds" I just get the feeling that 5.56 ar15 is not worth it anymore and is obsolete when compared to these other rounds. Why use it when you can use a specialized caliber that is far better? Hard to justify stocking up on pmags or anything to do with the 5.56 ar15.
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Posted: 11/17/2019 6:02:17 PM EDT
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5.56 is going nowhere, but .300 blackout is damn quiet when suppressed. Just sayin...
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Posted: 11/17/2019 6:11:36 PM EDT
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I have all of them. If things went really south the 5.56 is still king for weight:effectiveness and cost:effectiveness and by far on availability. The Teotwawki, Boogaloo, CW2, WW2, etc should still be a 5.56 The incremental ballistic advantage of 6.5G and 6.8SPC is negated by the cost and availability of 5.56. It's cheap and abundant. Even if things went south, you'd be able to find 5.56/.223 waaaayyyy easier than 6.5 or 6.8. 300BLK has some advantages at 300yds and under (the Vortx 110gr black tip is really good), or in an SBR, but again cost and availability of ammo pales in comparison. Same reason for 308 or 30-06 vs 6.5 Creedmoor. The other 2 are available EVERYWHERE that sells ammo. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 6:43:33 PM EDT
[#43]
I do not see the 5.56 being obsolete any time soon. I suspect it will be around for at least a few decades to come.
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Posted: 11/17/2019 6:47:59 PM EDT
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Who is this everyone, nobody and anyone that you speak of?
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Posted: 11/17/2019 6:54:57 PM EDT
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Seriously
 It's excellent at making folks comply... |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 6:55:53 PM EDT
[#46]
Oh yea , it's its all obsolete and shit untill it smacks you in the chest .
But don't worry about it  , you are 300 yds away from your enemy and now you are really pissed !
You can't wait to close with the SOB that shot you ! Something ... something and a WUT WUT , about breathing and shit , coughing up blood ..... you are dead . 
BUT , it Was obsolete ! 
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Posted: 11/17/2019 7:31:36 PM EDT
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Hmmm, (checks username) poster might be biased! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol, no way... I don't care for any of those calibers that you mentioned in your OP, 5.56 is still king. .308 is antique. .300 Blackout is pointless. 6.5 Grendel used to be interesting, but it's certainly not popular.
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Posted: 11/17/2019 7:35:05 PM EDT
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I'd be pretty damn confident with a 5.56 gun loaded with m855a1.
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Posted: 11/17/2019 7:39:37 PM EDT
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I’ve literally never heard anyone say that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone wants .308, 6.5, or 300 black out. Seems nobody likes the 5.56 anymore. When ever anyone talks of combat, they either want a .308 for long range, or a 300 black out for close range. You know the typical comments, "oh, if I'm going into real combat I won't be shooting 5.56 rounds but .308 rounds" I just get the feeling that 5.56 ar15 is not worth it anymore and is obsolete when compared to these other rounds. Why use it when you can use a specialized caliber that is far better? Hard to justify stocking up on pmags or anything to do with the 5.56 ar15. |
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Posted: 11/17/2019 7:47:32 PM EDT
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Everyone wants .308, 6.5, or 300 black out.... <-----FFL "Everyone" meaning your circle of friends? I'll transfer a hundred 5.56 firearms for every .308/6.5/.300 blkout. What everyone wants isn't always what they buy. |
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