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Posted: 1/17/2023 12:26:10 PM EDT
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I've built half a dozen rifles with Del-Ton uppers and they're fine. I had around 1,500 rounds through the dissapator they sell and never had a failure or stoppage. As well, I found it to be very accurate.
I'm happy with them. With their triggers, I honed the hammer and trigger contacts, dropped in a set of $10 JP springs, and I'm happy enough with it. Sound like you didn't jack up the 80%, so there you go  Time to get an optic!  
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Posted: 1/17/2023 12:28:09 PM EDT
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Much appreciated. How badly did I screw up by opting for the chrome lined barrel? I'm reading that it can reduce consistency.
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Posted: 1/17/2023 12:34:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Much appreciated. How badly did I screw up by opting for the chrome lined barrel? I'm reading that it can reduce consistency. I'm sure you can find a Molon thread about chrome lining accuracy, but if I recall correctly, it all comes down to the manufacturer's quality in the process. Probably not necessary for your rifle, but also no harm done. Most people consider it desirable in a rifle, unless its a purpose built precision gun. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 2:26:44 PM EDT
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See page #41/post #24 in THIS THREAD
" All of our M4 uppers are either Palmetto State Arms or Del-Ton at this point. They do the same job as the others in our situation and are cheap enough that my staff can just swap an upper for a rifle instead of diagnosing an issue or swapping barrels. V/R Ron " |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 2:35:08 PM EDT
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Well that's reassuring. That whole thread is full of good information. Regarding the search feature- does it only work if you're a paying member? I'm not getting any results back on anything.
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Posted: 1/17/2023 2:51:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well that's reassuring. That whole thread is full of good information. Regarding the search feature- does it only work if you're a paying member? I'm not getting any results back on anything. Search feature is shit here, even with paid membership. Google search topic name followed by ar15.com nets me more honestly. |
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Posted: 1/17/2023 5:45:57 PM EDT
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Congrats and welcome aboard.
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Posted: 1/18/2023 2:10:16 AM EDT
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A chrome-lined barrel is a good thing, mainly for the chamber.
I've had to have non chrome-lined barrels have their chambers polished to get the pitting out of them three times in my life... |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 9:32:12 AM EDT
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Brother is rocking a chrome lined Delton 16in barrel in his retro build, it’s a good shooting barrel
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Posted: 1/18/2023 10:45:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Congrats and welcome aboard. Many thanks. This place is massive, it'll take me awhile to find all the features and info. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 10:51:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Brother is rocking a chrome lined Delton 16in barrel in his retro build, it’s a good shooting barrel So I seemed to have built a reasonable tool, kind of by accident. That's good but I probably should have come to this place first. :) It shoots but I seem to have trouble getting any kind of consistent group at 100yds. Admittedly, I'm using iron sights and my vision isn't perfect. I mean, I've hit the bullseye but I'm all over the paper. I've purchased some Federal Gold Medal Match rounds and I'm borrowing a scope. I'll bench the rifle and see what happens. I'm praying that I'm the problem and not the rifle. If I can get a reasonable group then I'll accept that my vision isn't great and put some kind of optic on it. Yes, yes, I'm sort of a Fudd. I'm trying to overcome this. Thanks for your patience. ;) |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 4:42:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So I seemed to have built a reasonable tool, kind of by accident. That's good but I probably should have come to this place first. :) It shoots but I seem to have trouble getting any kind of consistent group at 100yds. Admittedly, I'm using iron sights and my vision isn't perfect. I mean, I've hit the bullseye but I'm all over the paper. I've purchased some Federal Gold Medal Match rounds and I'm borrowing a scope. I'll bench the rifle and see what happens. I'm praying that I'm the problem and not the rifle. If I can get a reasonable group then I'll accept that my vision isn't great and put some kind of optic on it. Yes, yes, I'm sort of a Fudd. I'm trying to overcome this. Thanks for your patience. ;) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Brother is rocking a chrome lined Delton 16in barrel in his retro build, it’s a good shooting barrel So I seemed to have built a reasonable tool, kind of by accident. That's good but I probably should have come to this place first. :) It shoots but I seem to have trouble getting any kind of consistent group at 100yds. Admittedly, I'm using iron sights and my vision isn't perfect. I mean, I've hit the bullseye but I'm all over the paper. I've purchased some Federal Gold Medal Match rounds and I'm borrowing a scope. I'll bench the rifle and see what happens. I'm praying that I'm the problem and not the rifle. If I can get a reasonable group then I'll accept that my vision isn't great and put some kind of optic on it. Yes, yes, I'm sort of a Fudd. I'm trying to overcome this. Thanks for your patience. ;) Quality ammo, quality scope, and a quality marksmen is what you need for that gun to group. Brothers gun groups about 2.5-3 moa at 100 yards with quality ammo |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 5:13:35 PM EDT
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Del Ton's just fine.
I've got a 16" DT upper that's as good as anything else; Wilson barrel in their builds. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 5:14:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Much appreciated. How badly did I screw up by opting for the chrome lined barrel? I'm reading that it can reduce consistency. Unless you're shooting High-Power, you'll never even notice. It's good to think about it, but don't OVERTHINK about it. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 5:15:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well that's reassuring. That whole thread is full of good information. Regarding the search feature- does it only work if you're a paying member? I'm not getting any results back on anything. Search doesn't work too well for paying members either
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:29:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quality ammo, quality scope, and a quality marksmen is what you need for that gun to group. Brothers gun groups about 2.5-3 moa at 100 yards with quality ammo Hi Baba, I'm still trying to figure out what "quality ammo" means. I've tried several different types. I've just been going to ammoseek for my needs. I bought some surplus M855 55gr stuff, then some PMC X-TAC 62gr green tips. Then I tried Hornady Super Performance Match 72gr (and then people told me that it was crap and to stop using it.) Recently someone pointed me at Frontier so I bought a couple of boxes to try. Any recommendations on good "everyday" ammo would be appreciated. This afternoon, I'm putting a borrowed scope on this thing and I have 2 boxes of Federal Gold Medal Match. I'll bench shoot the thing and see what happens. As for being a quality marksman, I'm not Garand Thumb but I'm no slouch either. I know my fundamentals. I'm 50 yo and I've always worn glasses. I do worry that my vision may become a limiting factor for precision distance shooting. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 10:11:32 AM EDT
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Lots of good info HERE regarding ammo.
Opinions vary as does what barrels prefer which ammo. 2 identical barrels may not shoot the same ammo to same POI. But for sure, M855 is not what you want for precision/ consistency. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 11:41:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lots of good info HERE regarding ammo. Opinions vary as does what barrels prefer which ammo. 2 identical barrels may not shoot the same ammo to same POI. But for sure, M855 is not what you want for precision/ consistency. Good God, the ammo forum is a gravity well from which there is no escape. I could spend all day there. This is very different from the M1 Garand community for which there is much less ambiguity in which ammo to use. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 3:11:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hi Baba, I'm still trying to figure out what "quality ammo" means. I've tried several different types. I've just been going to ammoseek for my needs. I bought some surplus M855 55gr stuff, then some PMC X-TAC 62gr green tips. Then I tried Hornady Super Performance Match 72gr (and then people told me that it was crap and to stop using it.) Recently someone pointed me at Frontier so I bought a couple of boxes to try. Any recommendations on good "everyday" ammo would be appreciated. This afternoon, I'm putting a borrowed scope on this thing and I have 2 boxes of Federal Gold Medal Match. I'll bench shoot the thing and see what happens. As for being a quality marksman, I'm not Garand Thumb but I'm no slouch either. I know my fundamentals. I'm 50 yo and I've always worn glasses. I do worry that my vision may become a limiting factor for precision distance shooting. Look at IMI 77 grain Razorcore offerings, I’ve shoot a lot of that stuff and I can get decent groups with it. Also understand that you won’t be getting Sub-moa groups. Your barrel is probably good for 3-4 inch groups. Go to the ammo sub forum and sink your time there |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 3:35:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Search feature is shit here, even with paid membership. Google search topic name followed by ar15.com nets me more honestly. I use site:ar15.com For example site:ar15.com del-ton barrel |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 3:42:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I use site:ar15.com For example site:ar15.com del-ton barrel Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Search feature is shit here, even with paid membership. Google search topic name followed by ar15.com nets me more honestly. I use site:ar15.com For example site:ar15.com del-ton barrel Works as well. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 4:13:37 PM EDT
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Chrome lined bore is a plus. A typical USGI rifle shoots at 4-4.5MOA. I think you'll be fine.
Search is garbage, as mentioned. The tips given here are good. IMI Razorcore is good chit. The FGMM that you have is also good ammo IMHO. Do get a sling for your rifle if you don't already have one. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 4:26:39 PM EDT
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Does it shoot reliably? Is it mil std 4 MOA or better? Then it's not crap.
Lube it and feed it, enjoy it. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 4:33:54 PM EDT
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Ok, here's what happened today:
Using a (borrowed) 1-6X scope, I used M193 and PMC M855 (because it's what I had on hand) to get the scope zeroed in as close as possible at 100 yards. Then I finally shot 20 rounds of FGMM on a bench with a bag. I'm pleased to report that the human behind the trigger is the biggest problem and not a crappy rifle. The second biggest problem is needing a better trigger. With the scope, I can tell that I need to work on my breathing and the trigger is very heavy, gritty but also not consistent. I had trigger breaks that felt noticeably lighter than other breaks. Admittedly, towards the end I kind of lost track of where I was on the paper. The last group that I shot at 6X with FGMM, It looks like I achieved 1.98 MOA if I count 4 holes. I'm pissed off that I can't remember if that 4th hole is part of that group. If it's not part of that group, I shot 1.165 MOA. Anyway, the rifle shoots decent groups. Fix the trigger, work on my breathing and that'll fix 60% of my problems. I'm going to try contact lenses and yellow lens shooter's glasses to see if that helps my eyes. Also, the rifle doesn't seem overly picky about ammunition. I rank PMC M855 as the least consistent, M193 as better and the FGMM as the best that got me a tiny bit tighter. My mentor also brought his own carbine with a good trigger in it. I shot 10 rounds and his trigger made a world of difference. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 4:39:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/21/2023 12:25:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis is a great option for a 2 stage. If you want a single stage option look at the ALG ACT trigger. |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 4:52:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a great option for a 2 stage. If you want a single stage option look at the ALG ACT trigger. Well...this is more of a home defense/SHTF tool. I just wanted to assess its performance since I'm the one who built it and it's my first time ever doing this. So that being the case, is a single stage trigger more appropriate? |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 5:43:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well...this is more of a home defense/SHTF tool. I just wanted to assess its performance since I'm the one who built it and it's my first time ever doing this. So that being the case, is a single stage trigger more appropriate? Personal preference. Single stage for any defensive gun for me personally. ACT is my preferred. |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 5:47:57 PM EDT
[#29]
Before PSA, there was DelTon if you wanted better than M1S/MA parts.
Assmbled many DT kits with no complaints. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:37:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Personal preference. Single stage for any defensive gun for me personally. ACT is my preferred. The ACT looks good. Simple and robust, also affordable. It lists the pull weight as around 6lbs. My current trigger maxes out my pull scale which is just ridiculous. Do I need to be concerned about the pivot pin size? I installed this lower parts kit. I don't know what the pin size is. https://www.del-ton.com/AR-15-Lower-Parts-Kit-p/lp1045.htm |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:45:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The ACT looks good. Simple and robust, also affordable. It lists the pull weight as around 6lbs. My current trigger maxes out my pull scale which is just ridiculous. Do I need to be concerned about the pivot pin size? I installed this lower parts kit. I don't know what the pin size is. https://www.del-ton.com/AR-15-Lower-Parts-Kit-p/lp1045.htm Your hammer/trigger pins will be std .154" |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 1:17:48 PM EDT
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If it's not Scottish, it's CRRAPP. (from an old comedy sketch)
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Posted: 1/31/2023 4:00:56 AM EDT
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To the OP:
You mentioned your barrel is a 1:7 twist. What weight bullets are you trying to get it to group with? If you're shooting 55 gr, they need a slower twist. The 1:7 is for heavier bullets in the 68gr and up range. I have a 20" 1:7 twist barrel and the best it will group with 55's is about 3moa at 100 yds. The heavier bullets will give me 1-1.5 moa groups at 100 yds. Keep us posted on your progress. |
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Posted: 1/31/2023 6:18:26 AM EDT
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I have a complete Del-Ton upper with a 1-8 twist barrel and it's very reliable and accurate with PMC 55gr 223 ammo. I don't know why but I prefer to shoot this Del-Ton to more expensive rifles that I have acquired recently. Also it's a very soft shooter even though it has a carbine length gas system, it's definitely my go to rifle for any situation or range outing fun.
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Posted: 1/31/2023 11:39:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To the OP: You mentioned your barrel is a 1:7 twist. What weight bullets are you trying to get it to group with? If you're shooting 55 gr, they need a slower twist. The 1:7 is for heavier bullets in the 68gr and up range. Incorrect. See post #15/page #2 in HERE |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 10:35:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryEverytime I think we’ve successfully stamped it out, that fuddlore sparks up again. Where do people even go to get this idea where it isn’t immediately debunked? |
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Posted: 2/13/2023 4:02:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To the OP: You mentioned your barrel is a 1:7 twist. What weight bullets are you trying to get it to group with? If you're shooting 55 gr, they need a slower twist. The 1:7 is for heavier bullets in the 68gr and up range. I have a 20" 1:7 twist barrel and the best it will group with 55's is about 3moa at 100 yds. The heavier bullets will give me 1-1.5 moa groups at 100 yds. Keep us posted on your progress. Your groups suck with 55gr ammo because you're using ball. That 50-55gr match grade bullets will yield match grade results. It's 2023 and we still see people repeating this myth 
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Posted: 3/14/2023 7:56:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Personal preference. Single stage for any defensive gun for me personally. ACT is my preferred. My ACT arrived and I have successfully installed it. Even with the tan spring, the pull is 3lbs lighter than the cheap-o trigger that came with the lower parts kit and the "draggy" feeling is gone. This is not a "match" rifle so I'm sticking with the tan spring for now. Looking forward to trying it out. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 8:42:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My ACT arrived and I have successfully installed it. Even with the tan spring, the pull is 3lbs lighter than the cheap-o trigger that came with the lower parts kit and the "draggy" feeling is gone. This is not a "match" rifle so I'm sticking with the tan spring for now. Looking forward to trying it out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Personal preference. Single stage for any defensive gun for me personally. ACT is my preferred. My ACT arrived and I have successfully installed it. Even with the tan spring, the pull is 3lbs lighter than the cheap-o trigger that came with the lower parts kit and the "draggy" feeling is gone. This is not a "match" rifle so I'm sticking with the tan spring for now. Looking forward to trying it out. Tan spring is what I settled on as well. |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 4:43:54 PM EDT
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To the op. You mentioned a 1/7 twist barrel. You want 1-1.5" groups. It won't happen with light, 55 gr bullets. Use nothing less than 68 gr bullets, 75 gr and up is where it will "shine". Most of the guys I compete with shoot 77 gr bullets and they're masters and high masters. I'm not.
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Posted: 3/19/2023 4:57:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To the op. You mentioned a 1/7 twist barrel. You want 1-1.5" groups. It won't happen with light, 55 gr bullets. Use nothing less than 68 gr bullets< Incorrect, once again. |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 5:45:38 PM EDT
[#42]
Quoted: You mentioned your barrel is a 1:7 twist. What weight bullets are you trying to get it to group with? If you're shooting 55 gr, they need a slower twist. The 1:7 is for heavier bullets in the 68gr and up range. I have a 20" 1:7 twist barrel and the best it will group with 55's is about 3moa at 100 yds. The heavier bullets will give me 1-1.5 moa groups at 100 yds. Quoted: To the op. You mentioned a 1/7 twist barrel. You want 1-1.5" groups. It won't happen with light, 55 gr bullets. Use nothing less than 68 gr bullets, 75 gr and up is where it will "shine". Most of the guys I compete with shoot 77 gr bullets and they're masters and high masters. I'm not. Did you even read the post at the link that TGWLDR gave you? The 10-shot group pictured below was fired from a fast twist barrel using 55 grain bullets at a distance of 100 yards. The group has an extreme spread of 0.464”. Read more, post less.  …. |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 5:18:09 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hi Baba, I'm still trying to figure out what "quality ammo" means. I've tried several different types. I've just been going to ammoseek for my needs. I bought some surplus M855 55gr stuff, then some PMC X-TAC 62gr green tips. Then I tried Hornady Super Performance Match 72gr (and then people told me that it was crap and to stop using it.) Recently someone pointed me at Frontier so I bought a couple of boxes to try. Any recommendations on good "everyday" ammo would be appreciated. This afternoon, I'm putting a borrowed scope on this thing and I have 2 boxes of Federal Gold Medal Match. I'll bench shoot the thing and see what happens. As for being a quality marksman, I'm not Garand Thumb but I'm no slouch either. I know my fundamentals. I'm 50 yo and I've always worn glasses. I do worry that my vision may become a limiting factor for precision distance shooting. Suggest you get a good zero at 25 yd/m then move back to 100. Focus is on the front sight, not the target. Your eye will automatically center in rear peep. Thats how I was able to shoot iron sights M16/M14 out to 1000yds. Shooting small groups with irons require practice and more practice. FGM is a good load. For long range (300+) I like Black Hills Mk262 5.56 pressures. Sounds like you built a good rifle and got a good trigger. Cheap 55/62 gr ball do have their uses and that's defensive drills |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 5:27:58 AM EDT
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I really like these comments and have always respected the feedback from Hendeson Defense, if they have not seen it, chances are it does not exist. Also greatly respect the feedback of some of the guys who posted info above, listen to them, I know I do.
My best friend is 68 years old, he has been fishing for 67 years in the same area where we live and I am always amazed at the people that will argue with him on the proper bait, rods, reels and other fishing knowledge. When he talks about fishing, I dont say a word, I just listen. I dont know a single person that knows more about boats than him. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 3:05:31 AM EDT
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A chrome lined bore is less accurate than a non-chrome lined bore, but unless you're shooting "master" or "high master" at 600 yards, you won't notice the difference.
With the 1-7" twist, don't expect stellar groups with any thing less than 62 grain bullets. 75 grain and up is where the 1-7 really shines. Good luck in your endeavors. Jon |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:41:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A chrome lined bore is less accurate than a non-chrome lined bore, but unless you're shooting "master" or "high master" at 600 yards, you won't notice the difference. With the 1-7" twist, don't expect stellar groups with any thing less than 62 grain bullets. 75 grain and up is where the 1-7 really shines. Good luck in your endeavors. Jon Interesting info from Criterion's page: Each chrome lined Criterion barrel is hand lapped and held to the same finish and uniformity requirements as our match grade stainless steel barrels. This chrome lining process produces a barrel that significantly increases durability through the more consistent and uniform application of the chrome lining while simultaneously offering national record-setting performance. Capable of generating sub-MOA groups with factory match ammunition and groups in the neighborhood of .5 MOA with handloads tailored to the individual barrel, Criterion is the only manufacturer in existence to offer a match-grade chrome lined AR-15 barrel. While chrome lining offers superior corrosion resistance to various external weather conditions, it also serves to significantly reduce throat erosion, allowing shooters to enjoy sub-MOA accuracy potential for as much as 20,000 rounds of normal use with factory match ammunition. This contrasts significantly with cold hammer forged mil-spec chrome lined rifle barrels, which are typically only required to successfully generate 4.5 MOA groups at 100 yards. |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 6:43:35 AM EDT
[#47]
Del-Ton is on the lower end of the price spectrum, but they make a good rifle with a lot of value. My wife's rifle has one of their lightweight midlength uppers on it and has run flawlessly so far.
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Posted: 6/29/2023 10:05:32 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting info from Criterion's page: Each chrome lined Criterion barrel is hand lapped and held to the same finish and uniformity requirements as our match grade stainless steel barrels. This chrome lining process produces a barrel that significantly increases durability through the more consistent and uniform application of the chrome lining while simultaneously offering national record-setting performance. Capable of generating sub-MOA groups with factory match ammunition and groups in the neighborhood of .5 MOA with handloads tailored to the individual barrel, Criterion is the only manufacturer in existence to offer a match-grade chrome lined AR-15 barrel. While chrome lining offers superior corrosion resistance to various external weather conditions, it also serves to significantly reduce throat erosion, allowing shooters to enjoy sub-MOA accuracy potential for as much as 20,000 rounds of normal use with factory match ammunition. This contrasts significantly with cold hammer forged mil-spec chrome lined rifle barrels, which are typically only required to successfully generate 4.5 MOA groups at 100 yards. Just a sales pitch. Do you have any substantiated proof, or are you going by hearsay ? Are the barrels air gauged? The chrome detracts from the accuracy no matter what is written. The proof is down range. Jon |
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Posted: 6/29/2023 10:28:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just a sales pitch. Do you have any substantiated proof, or are you going by hearsay ? Are the barrels air gauged? The chrome detracts from the accuracy no matter what is written. The proof is down range. Jon Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Interesting info from Criterion's page: Each chrome lined Criterion barrel is hand lapped and held to the same finish and uniformity requirements as our match grade stainless steel barrels. This chrome lining process produces a barrel that significantly increases durability through the more consistent and uniform application of the chrome lining while simultaneously offering national record-setting performance. Capable of generating sub-MOA groups with factory match ammunition and groups in the neighborhood of .5 MOA with handloads tailored to the individual barrel, Criterion is the only manufacturer in existence to offer a match-grade chrome lined AR-15 barrel. While chrome lining offers superior corrosion resistance to various external weather conditions, it also serves to significantly reduce throat erosion, allowing shooters to enjoy sub-MOA accuracy potential for as much as 20,000 rounds of normal use with factory match ammunition. This contrasts significantly with cold hammer forged mil-spec chrome lined rifle barrels, which are typically only required to successfully generate 4.5 MOA groups at 100 yards. Just a sales pitch. Do you have any substantiated proof, or are you going by hearsay ? Are the barrels air gauged? The chrome detracts from the accuracy no matter what is written. The proof is down range. Jon The 2 largest problems with membership here: a large portion immediately dismiss information based on nothing other than their feels. Another large portion immediately takes anything posted as gospel. Check out the data published by both Criterion and member Molon here. |
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Posted: 6/29/2023 4:00:25 PM EDT
[#50]
Back in the 90s, I had a Colt A2 HBAR (20"). With PMC 55 grain FMJBT (Boat Tail) ammo and a 4X ACOG TA01, it was 1 MOA from the bench.
No fancy trigger, non-Match ammo, non free float handguard, low magnification optic. 1 MOA. |
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