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Posted: 11/29/2018 10:35:58 AM EDT
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Malkoff drop in is the answer. And a solar force body if you are on a budget.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 11:14:55 AM EDT
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I own 3 scout lights and some other one I can’t recall at the moment, but there has to be a better option based on technology and price. Arisaka setups seem to be my first thought but I know they aren’t quite as bright as the same series in the surefire options. I’ll be sticking with the SF pistol lights however. My searching didn’t turn up a thread on this but I’m sure one is out there. Thanks for the help. Unless you want to step to the Cloud Defensive OWL, I don't know that you're really going to find better. Arisaka is probably the best for the price, but more lumens = more better, and surefire has more lumens. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 11:33:56 AM EDT
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Fenix PD35
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Posted: 11/29/2018 11:50:06 AM EDT
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I have a couple complaints, none major except one that aggravates me the most being that the light will momentarily turn off when the rifle is charged or shot (not a big deal). Does it affect what I’m going to use them for? Absolutely not. This is more of an inquiry to see what other options may be put there. I’m not looking for cheaper necessarily, just exploring options.
Admittedly, I have very little understanding on upgrading my current setups and what those options are. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 11:58:18 AM EDT
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You should not be getting any flickering when shooting. Call Surefire and have the light checked out.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:21:21 PM EDT
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I have a couple complaints, none major except one that aggravates me the most being that the light will momentarily turn off when the rifle is charged or shot (not a big deal). Does it affect what I’m going to use them for? Absolutely not. This is more of an inquiry to see what other options may be put there. I’m not looking for cheaper necessarily, just exploring options. Admittedly, I have very little understanding on upgrading my current setups and what those options are. If you are really keen on finding a new light, maybe take a look at the Streamlight ProTac railmount lights. They also use fit the Surefire Scout mounts. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 2:51:31 PM EDT
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I have a couple complaints, none major except one that aggravates me the most being that the light will momentarily turn off when the rifle is charged or shot (not a big deal). Does it affect what I’m going to use them for? Absolutely not. This is more of an inquiry to see what other options may be put there. I’m not looking for cheaper necessarily, just exploring options. Admittedly, I have very little understanding on upgrading my current setups and what those options are. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 3:38:21 PM EDT
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I’ve railed on Surefire in several posts about being WAY behind the curve on current technology and design plus their prices are ridiculous.
BUT, on weapons lights there are no competitors that can match their pressure switches. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 4:19:53 PM EDT
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Elzetta lights are the best !
Check them out and they have a LOT of really good YouTube videos to back up their claims. A good budget light would be the Streamlight ProTac Rail Mount HL-X or the Streamlight ProTac Rail Mount 2 |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 4:55:51 PM EDT
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I own 3 scout lights and some other one I can’t recall at the moment, but there has to be a better option based on technology and price. Arisaka setups seem to be my first thought but I know they aren’t quite as bright as the same series in the surefire options. I’ll be sticking with the SF pistol lights however. My searching didn’t turn up a thread on this but I’m sure one is out there. Thanks for the help. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 4:57:47 PM EDT
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Elzetta lights are the best ! Check them out and they have a LOT of really good YouTube videos to back up their claims. A good budget light would be the Streamlight ProTac Rail Mount HL-X or the Streamlight ProTac Rail Mount 2 |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 4:59:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As others have said, contact surefire. My Arisaka will actually flicker on when I run the bolt sometimes, and it's just because the tailcap spring isn't quite stiff enough and the force of the bolt coming forwards is enough to bounce it and trigger the light for a fraction of a second. I'm not an oper8or, so it's no concern. Actually don't have that light now, but I got rid of it for entirely unrelated reasons. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 11:15:54 PM EDT
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Quoted:
I own 3 scout lights and some other one I can’t recall at the moment, but there has to be a better option based on technology and price. Arisaka setups seem to be my first thought but I know they aren’t quite as bright as the same series in the surefire options. I’ll be sticking with the SF pistol lights however. My searching didn’t turn up a thread on this but I’m sure one is out there. Thanks for the help. Never had any issues with my 300 or 600 scouts. Have an Arisaka 300, but only a couple thousand rounds with it. Flawless so far. Stay away from the cheap junk, not many options really. You could try to Streamlights but I much prefer the Surefire pressure switches. On a side note check out Cloud defensive pressure switch mounts and they did just release their own light. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 11:24:44 PM EDT
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Fenix PD35 TAC |
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Posted: 11/30/2018 6:17:55 AM EDT
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I own 3 scout lights and some other one I can’t recall at the moment, but there has to be a better option based on technology and price. Arisaka setups seem to be my first thought but I know they aren’t quite as bright as the same series in the surefire options. I’ll be sticking with the SF pistol lights however. My searching didn’t turn up a thread on this but I’m sure one is out there. Thanks for the help. I have not found anything to surpass Surefire in output, durability, and form/function. |
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Posted: 11/30/2018 6:18:56 AM EDT
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I’ve railed on Surefire in several posts about being WAY behind the curve on current technology and design plus their prices are ridiculous. BUT, on weapons lights there are no competitors that can match their pressure switches. |
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Posted: 11/30/2018 10:10:57 AM EDT
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Just TWO examples (there are MANY)....
Nitecore EC11, 900 Lumens out of a tiny light (yes, I have it) 
Fenix TK75 2018, 5,100 Lumens for $200.00 This photo is on one of the LOWER settings, not 5,100 Lumens.... 
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Posted: 12/1/2018 5:46:26 AM EDT
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Just TWO examples (there are MANY).... Nitecore EC11, 900 Lumens out of a tiny light (yes, I have it) https://i.imgur.com/k4ANvHq.jpg Fenix TK75 2018, 5,100 Lumens for $200.00 This photo is on one of the LOWER settings, not 5,100 Lumens.... https://i.imgur.com/onTf4MT.jpg https://i.imgur.com/pbUSe62.jpg |
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Posted: 12/1/2018 11:05:56 AM EDT
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Do you have a picture of them on your carbine? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Do you have a picture of them on your carbine? Quoted:
I’ve railed on Surefire in several posts about being WAY behind the curve on current technology and design plus their prices are ridiculous. BUT, on weapons lights there are no competitors that can match their pressure switches. |
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Posted: 12/1/2018 8:10:51 PM EDT
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I’ve railed on Surefire in several posts about being WAY behind the curve on current technology and design plus their prices are ridiculous. BUT, on weapons lights there are no competitors that can match their pressure switches. Fancy LED's in handheld lights aren't all that relevant to weapon lights. A weapon light needs to be in a form that can be mounted efficiently; currently, that usually means a Scout body or something compatible like Arisaka, Protac, etc. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 11:43:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it's fairer to say they're extremely conservative, and the markup going from LE/Mil pricing to retail is pretty brutal. Fancy LED's in handheld lights aren't all that relevant to weapon lights. A weapon light needs to be in a form that can be mounted efficiently; currently, that usually means a Scout body or something compatible like Arisaka, Protac, etc. The more I type the more I realize I really like SF.....I think Im just salty over what they charge compared to some other options out there and I need to put lights on 4 rifles that currently dont have them. I think the proposition of spending $1000-ish on weapon lights may have got me frustrated. lol I really do like SF stuff, but I think they're overpriced IMO.....but I really, really like their stuff even with the anomaly my one scout light is having. So many emotions. 
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Posted: 12/2/2018 1:49:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there any benefit to going with an Arisaka body, but using a surefire head and other components, or are you close enough in price that you might as well go with a complete SF setup? As stated above, I've done zero research on aftermarket/upgraded heads. The more I type the more I realize I really like SF.....I think Im just salty over what they charge compared to some other options out there and I need to put lights on 4 rifles that currently dont have them. I think the proposition of spending $1000-ish on weapon lights may have got me frustrated. lol I really do like SF stuff, but I think they're overpriced IMO.....but I really, really like their stuff even with the anomaly my one scout light is having. So many emotions. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 2:00:59 PM EDT
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Is there any benefit to going with an Arisaka body, but using a surefire head and other components, or are you close enough in price that you might as well go with a complete SF setup? As stated above, I've done zero research on aftermarket/upgraded heads. The more I type the more I realize I really like SF.....I think Im just salty over what they charge compared to some other options out there and I need to put lights on 4 rifles that currently dont have them. I think the proposition of spending $1000-ish on weapon lights may have got me frustrated. lol I really do like SF stuff, but I think they're overpriced IMO.....but I really, really like their stuff even with the anomaly my one scout light is having. So many emotions. I’m looking at getting the new Surefire M600 Scout and using only the body (because it takes 18650 batteries) the pressure switch, and going with a custom LED head. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 2:30:38 PM EDT
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If someone comes out with heads that work with the DF M600 I'd be interested. More lumens or maybe some side by side pics with beam pattern comparisons.
Not that I'm unhappy now but I'd be interested to see what the aftermarket can develop. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 2:39:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Best suggestion is to wait until someone clears out some old inventory. It won't save you a ton of money, but at least a little bit. I know ArmsUnlimited has some Surefire M600s on sale for about $189 right now. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 6:36:26 PM EDT
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If someone comes out with heads that work with the DF M600 I'd be interested. More lumens or maybe some side by side pics with beam pattern comparisons. Not that I'm unhappy now but I'd be interested to see what the aftermarket can develop. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 6:39:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there any benefit to going with an Arisaka body, but using a surefire head and other components, or are you close enough in price that you might as well go with a complete SF setup? As stated above, I've done zero research on aftermarket/upgraded heads. The more I type the more I realize I really like SF.....I think Im just salty over what they charge compared to some other options out there and I need to put lights on 4 rifles that currently dont have them. I think the proposition of spending $1000-ish on weapon lights may have got me frustrated. lol I really do like SF stuff, but I think they're overpriced IMO.....but I really, really like their stuff even with the anomaly my one scout light is having. So many emotions. Check my thread for pic comparisons. Until the new owl comes out I think the df is the was to go and even then it’s $400 vs $199. Yeah I know it’s more if you want to run a switch but you don’t have to. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 7:00:40 PM EDT
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I agree. Love the df but if I could get 2500 or more lumens with a similar pattern and run time I’d switch. He’s one of the top custom builders out there. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 7:08:45 PM EDT
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I have the Arisaka. Thousands of rounds on it no issues. It's light battery burn seems to be very even. So although the lumen rating isn't super high it seems to stay bright a longer time than other lights. I also like they have different head options so you can get a thrower or more general purpose. I use tailcap activation.
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Posted: 12/2/2018 7:31:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m pretty sure that Sky Lumen (Vinhnguyen54 on Candlepowerforums.com) can put together a head that would exceed 3,500 Lumens fairly easily. He offered a 4,000 Lumen head for the Surefire P60 light. He’s one of the top custom builders out there. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 7:46:59 PM EDT
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How is the durability on his builds? He has a rather large following over on Candlepowerforums.com, I don’t know of anyone that is more on the ”bleeding edge” of pushing lights than he is. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 9:46:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a couple of his builds, NEVER an issue. He has a rather large following over on Candlepowerforums.com, I don’t know of anyone that is more on the ”bleeding edge” of pushing lights than he is. |
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Posted: 12/2/2018 10:42:10 PM EDT
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He currently offers a HANDHELD that outputs..........................60,000 LUMENS!!!!
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