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Posted: 12/16/2017 8:56:22 PM EDT
Bought 300 rounds of this last week and another 200 the other day. Now what to do with the 500 rounds I have.
Shot 6 rounds today and got 3 ruptured cases. Shot 3 different guns. Each gun had a ruptured case. One was stuck in the chamber causing a failure to eject and took a lot of force to remove with the charging handle. This was to be my new HD round, not looking this way now. LWRC 10.5" IC-A5 LWRC 10.5" IC-DI LWRC 16" IC-A5 Lot#3171803 
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Posted: 12/16/2017 9:13:03 PM EDT
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Sheeeeiiit... I just bought 100 of those today to try out...
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Posted: 12/16/2017 9:15:25 PM EDT
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Shit, that sucks. Give Hornady a phone call and let them know about it. It would help them figure out which machine/employee made those rounds and fix the problem. They'll likely send a bunch of free ammo too if they find something wrong with the equipment used to make that lot.
I wouldn't write off this round just yet. |
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Posted: 12/16/2017 9:21:31 PM EDT
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Got a chance to fire it in a 20" rifle? I have never seen a case rupture in the middle of the case like that, that's crazy.
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Posted: 12/16/2017 9:39:35 PM EDT
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I have seen that before. It's most likely just a bad lot of brass. I had a bunch of Lake City 7.62 ammo that did that around 10 years ago.... I guess I found out why it was being surplussed.
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Posted: 12/16/2017 9:41:24 PM EDT
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Shit, that sucks. Give Hornady a phone call and let them know about it. It would help them figure out which machine/employee made those rounds and fix the problem. They'll likely send a bunch of free ammo too if they find something wrong with the equipment used to make that lot. I wouldn't write off this round just yet. |
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Posted: 12/16/2017 10:44:22 PM EDT
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I have seen that before. It's most likely just a bad lot of brass. I had a bunch of Lake City 7.62 ammo that did that around 10 years ago.... I guess I found out why it was being surplussed. |
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Posted: 12/16/2017 10:47:22 PM EDT
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Just checked mine
Lot#:3172555 Love the round out of my 10.5" guns |
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Posted: 12/16/2017 10:51:53 PM EDT
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Bad as in like it had been work hardened to much? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have seen that before. It's most likely just a bad lot of brass. I had a bunch of Lake City 7.62 ammo that did that around 10 years ago.... I guess I found out why it was being surplussed. https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Lake-City-LC-308-surplus-ammo-warning-/16-219468/ 
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Posted: 12/16/2017 10:58:50 PM EDT
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I don't have a 20 inch to try it in.
Only going to use it in my 10.5's since that's what it is made for. I sent hornady a email. Wait and see what they say. |
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Posted: 12/16/2017 11:01:33 PM EDT
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I have seen that before. It's most likely just a bad lot of brass. I had a bunch of Lake City 7.62 ammo that did that around 10 years ago.... I guess I found out why it was being surplussed. The other thousand rounds of this that I loaded pre-y2k, under essentially the same conditions but using mixed headstamps, did not have this problem.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 12/17/2017 11:21:59 AM EDT
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I don't have a 20 inch to try it in. Only going to use it in my 10.5's since that's what it is made for. I sent hornady a email. Wait and see what they say. In for Hornady response. |
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Posted: 12/17/2017 11:50:42 AM EDT
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I seem to recall that Hornady had a similar issue with split cases in .17 HMR years ago. I was one of those who it happened to but I did not suffer any damage and they exchanged them without any trouble.
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Posted: 12/17/2017 3:21:59 PM EDT
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That is a classic case body failure. It’s not the load, it’s the case and how it was treated during manufacturing. It’s a common enough problem that there’s a special name for this and several other brass treatment case failures (I can’t find my reference, but they’re referred to as “K failure”, “J failure,” and so on - ammo gurus, help me out on this!).
In a batch of once-fired 7.62 NATO brass I got, there was one case with that failure. I have a .30 Carbine case with that failure in my collection, as well as a .38 Special case. With all of that said, do call Hornady. To have more than one case in a batch fail that way is something they need to know about so they can rectify the situation. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 8:05:21 PM EDT
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Called them today. They want to test 14 rounds and inspect the fired cases. Will be shipping it to them tomorrow.
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Posted: 1/9/2018 10:13:51 PM EDT
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Hornady called back today and asked me to send back all of lot Lot #3171803 to be replaced.
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Posted: 1/10/2018 12:23:02 AM EDT
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Hornady called back today and asked me to send back all of lot Lot #3171803 to be replaced. |
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Posted: 1/13/2018 2:21:34 AM EDT
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Hornady is always making stuff like this. This is nothing new, and it's not the last either, I'm sure of it. Find another company, IMO
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Posted: 1/13/2018 1:04:59 PM EDT
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I had a bunch of Federal XM193 do that a couple of years ago in a KAC upper. Did not cause any stoppage.
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Posted: 1/16/2018 10:20:46 PM EDT
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Maybe it’s secretly only for rifle length gas systems and doesn’t say anything about that on the box like their Superformance.
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Posted: 1/19/2018 3:47:36 PM EDT
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Maybe it’s secretly only for rifle length gas systems and doesn’t say anything about that on the box like their Superformance. |
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Posted: 1/19/2018 3:55:32 PM EDT
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My department recently switched to this ammo. I guess we need to check lot numbers.
Thanks |
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Posted: 1/20/2018 2:34:08 PM EDT
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Hornady called yesterday and will be shipping back replacement ammo. They will be including two free boxes for the trouble.
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Posted: 1/23/2018 12:51:50 PM EDT
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Maybe it's secretly only for rifle length gas systems and doesn't say anything about that on the box like their Superformance. |
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Posted: 1/24/2018 11:28:57 AM EDT
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I was on the verge of buying some of this from SGAmmo when I came across this thread. I emailed SGAmmo with a link to this thread and asked if they have this particular lot in their inventory. He confirmed this was the lot they had but that they have not had any reports of issues.
So now I'm stuck between ordering at SGAmmo's great price knowing it will be this lot, or waiting and hoping they turn over inventory and order some in a couple of months. Has anyone else had issues with this particular lot, or just the OP? |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 11:54:56 AM EDT
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I bought 400 rounds of this from SGA from the same lot number.
I only fired 20 rounds of it to zero and test fire my gun. I did not even look at the brass. Worried and disappointed now... |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 4:01:40 PM EDT
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Call them it’s gonna be made right
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Posted: 1/26/2018 4:54:25 PM EDT
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I am having split cases as well. LOT#3171803
I called Hornady, and I am returning the ammo. I really like the ammo, and I am sure that all will be well in the end. It is just disappointing as I thought my work was done...  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 5:33:42 PM EDT
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Let Sam @ SGA know as well. When I asked, he said he had no reports of issues. Seems like folks are only contacting Hornady. I don't really expect SGA to be the ones to make it right, but they should be made aware. Multiple people, multiple guns, same exact case failure. Definitely a bad lot.
@SGAmmo |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 5:39:45 PM EDT
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Let Sam @ SGA know as well. When I asked, he said he had no reports of issues. Seems like folks are only contacting Hornady. I don't really expect SGA to be the ones to make it right, but they should be made aware. Multiple people, multiple guns, same exact case failure. Definitely a bad lot. @SGAmmo |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 8:25:57 PM EDT
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For the record, I shot this ammo out of two different guns. An 11.3 inch BA Hanson carbine, and a 16 inch BA middy. Therefore, I say it is not the gun.
I exchanged emails with Sam at SGA as well. It is not his fault, but I wanted to prevent anyone else from any danger. |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 11:09:50 PM EDT
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For the record, I shot this ammo out of two different guns. An 11.3 inch BA Hanson carbine, and a 16 inch BA middy. Therefore, I say it is not the gun. I exchanged emails with Sam at SGA as well. It is not his fault, but I wanted to prevent anyone else from any danger. |
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Posted: 1/28/2018 11:50:23 AM EDT
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I've been unhappy with SGA since a purchase a few months ago and haven't purchased from them since. I bought a case of 7.62x39mm 8M3 ammo and was missing a few rounds out of the 1000. I emailed them and got a response that it can't happen because it would of been QC'd at the factory and has never happened before. Well it happened to me and pretty much said i was lying. They did offer to refund me the odd number of cents I was out but i was already done with them after the reply. Now with the hornady problems that i posted here on the original thread they seem to be its the user's/guns fault again and it doesn't happen.
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Posted: 1/28/2018 12:00:59 PM EDT
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I've been unhappy with SGA since a purchase a few months ago and haven't purchased from them since. I bought a case of 7.62x39mm 8M3 ammo and was missing a few rounds out of the 1000. I emailed them and got a response that it can't happen because it would of been QC'd at the factory and has never happened before. Well it happened to me and pretty much said i was lying. They did offer to refund me the odd number of cents I was out but i was already done with them after the reply. Now with the hornady problems that i posted here on the original thread they seem to be its the user's/guns fault again and it doesn't happen. |
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Posted: 1/28/2018 12:08:23 PM EDT
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The proper thing for Hornady to do is recall this entire lot #.
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Posted: 1/28/2018 12:08:44 PM EDT
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I'm not trying to put @SGAmmo on blast, but that's exactly what their email response was when I inquired about whether or not this was the lot they had I truly believe that a man only has two things in this life, and I don't break them of nobody! |
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Posted: 1/28/2018 12:14:27 PM EDT
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The proper thing for Hornady to do is recall this entire lot #. It will be interesting to see how they handle this. I really hope they replace mine as this round performs nicely for my needs and intended purpose. This is from the 11.3 inch suppressed. Ambient temp was 36*.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 8:52:26 AM EDT
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The proper thing for Hornady to do is recall this entire lot #. |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 9:02:38 AM EDT
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@TimeOnTarget
Have you been in contact with Hornady? |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 2:05:17 PM EDT
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@TimeOnTarget Have you been in contact with Hornady? Yes, I called them and sent the ammo back to Hornady. They now have the ammo, and I am waiting to see how Hornady handles it. I expect to have the ammo replaced. |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 2:40:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They won’t till you call |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 3:32:46 PM EDT
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Hornady not VOLUNTARILY issuing a recall on a lot that has had multiple demonstrations and complaints of defective brass, especially on an item they market as a defensive load, would show gross indifference and lack of concern for customers or product quality on their part. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: They won't till you call |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 10:25:51 AM EDT
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I ordered a hundred rounds from Bud's, we'll see which lot number shows up. At $0.69/rd I figured worst case scenario is Hornady ends up replacing it and more reports of issues may help get the entire lot recalled.
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Posted: 2/12/2018 1:00:22 PM EDT
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Called Hornady today and they WILL NOT replace my ammo unless I demonstrate to them that
the ammo is bad, i.e. I have to risk my life to prove they have an issue, Well just Fuck Me Naked. 
Now that there is some outstanding customer service. |
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Posted: 2/12/2018 2:37:42 PM EDT
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Called Hornady today and they WILL NOT replace my ammo unless I demonstrate to them that the ammo is bad, i.e. I have to risk my life to prove they have an issue, Well just Fuck Me Naked.
Now that there is some outstanding customer service. |
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Posted: 2/12/2018 8:49:52 PM EDT
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Called Hornady today and they WILL NOT replace my ammo unless I demonstrate to them that the ammo is bad, i.e. I have to risk my life to prove they have an issue, Well just Fuck Me Naked.
Now that there is some outstanding customer service. They damn sure better replace my ammo! |
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Posted: 2/13/2018 5:17:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you shoot this same lot number and get split cases like the rest of us? They damn sure better replace my ammo! is something wrong with that vehicle?  Guess best not to buy
any Hornady products ever again - tell all the boys on the job and at the range the same thing, once again FMN. |
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Posted: 2/13/2018 10:33:43 AM EDT
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it is worth having an actual gunsmith check your chamber too... both to see if that played any part in this and to verifiy that this hasnt caused any damage to the chamber. I'd rather know for sure than risk guessing.
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Posted: 2/13/2018 7:29:29 PM EDT
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My order from Bud's arrived today and it is a different lot number, 3173203. I'm hoping issues were contained to the lot number in the OP.
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Posted: 2/19/2018 4:48:58 PM EDT
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I just received a call from Hornady. They tested the ammo and are going to replace it.
The only problem is that they don't have any in stock, and it might be a while before they make more... |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 6:36:41 PM EDT
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I just received a call from Hornady. They tested the ammo and are going to replace it. The only problem is that they don't have any in stock, and it might be a while before they make more... 
ETA: and fuck that, Bud's has it in stock. Tell them to order it for you or reimburse you for the cost of ordering it yourself |
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