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Posted: 2/26/2021 1:34:11 PM EDT
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I don't have an answer for you yet, but I figured I would tag this. I am running a Holosun circle dot with a Holosun magnifier this weekend in a Run N Gun event with targets out to 425. I usually use a 1x6 LPVO (Swampfox Tomahawk) that I have had good luck with. I have always kept it on 6x during the competitions so I am planning on trying to shoot with red dot first and then switching to the magnifier if I need it.
I am in no danger of winning or placing in this event, I like them for chance to run my stuff outdoors in non-static positions and practicing different combos. I'll let you know what I find out. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 1:43:27 PM EDT
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I have both. Err well, I’ve had 24’s, I have 25’s now. You have a good understanding of the pros and cons of each, there isn’t a right answer. Go with whichever work better for you. Personally if I mostly wanted a red dot but sometimes more, I’d get the ACSS; whereas if I would use 4X as often I’d get the 24. At 200m both optics work fine as dead holds, and even @ 400 the 24 isn’t handicapped. Just aim @ the head-ish depending on zero. The other approach would be how much weight plays a factor.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 2:35:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: I don't have an answer for you yet, but I figured I would tag this. I am running a Holosun circle dot with a Holosun magnifier this weekend in a Run N Gun event with targets out to 425. I usually use a 1x6 LPVO (Swampfox Tomahawk) that I have had good luck with. I have always kept it on 6x during the competitions so I am planning on trying to shoot with red dot first and then switching to the magnifier if I need it. I am in no danger of winning or placing in this event, I like them for chance to run my I stuff outdoors in non-static positions and practicing different combos. I'll let you know what I find out. I’d love to hear how this works out! |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 2:47:39 PM EDT
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Honestly I wouldn't stress about the holosun's reliability. I'd trust a decently well made micro dot like the holosun over a lightweight scope like the TR24 any day, and this is coming from someone who runs variable optics on all his AR's over micro dots.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 2:57:50 PM EDT
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If your SHTF scenario includes hunting & survival use, I'd prefer a magnified optic with an etched reticle all the way. If you're more concerned about HD use, then a red dot is probably the way to go. If you're looking for one rifle to do it all, you can always put a piggybacked or offset Red Dot on the rifle in addition to your magnified optic.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 2:59:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly I wouldn't stress about the holosun's reliability. I'd trust a decently well made micro dot like the holosun over a lightweight scope like the TR24 any day, and this is coming from someone who runs variable optics on all his AR's over micro dots. Why is that? Trijicon has established themselves as a pretty reliably built product, while Holosun is still somewhat unproven. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 3:00:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If your SHTF scenario includes hunting & survival use, I'd prefer a magnified optic with an etched reticle all the way. If you're more concerned about HD use, then a red dot is probably the way to go. If you're looking for one rifle to do it all, you can always put a piggybacked or offset Red Dot on the rifle in addition to your magnified optic. Magnification being similar, is there a reason an etched reticle wins out over a magnified chevron ‘dot’? |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 3:10:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Magnification being similar, is there a reason an etched reticle wins out over a magnified chevron ‘dot’? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If your SHTF scenario includes hunting & survival use, I'd prefer a magnified optic with an etched reticle all the way. If you're more concerned about HD use, then a red dot is probably the way to go. If you're looking for one rifle to do it all, you can always put a piggybacked or offset Red Dot on the rifle in addition to your magnified optic. Magnification being similar, is there a reason an etched reticle wins out over a magnified chevron ‘dot’? Less dependent on battery or illumination as well as more accurate holdovers due to the reticle types |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 4:03:40 PM EDT
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Quoted: Why is that? Trijicon has established themselves as a pretty reliably built product, while Holosun is still somewhat unproven. It's not so much the companies' reputations but rather the designs. Microdots are a very simple optics and there are numerous torture tests on holosuns and other microdots that show them to be very durable. Variable scopes have a lot more moving pieces in a long thin tube held to the rifle by a separate mount. Add that to just how light the tr24 is for an lpvo and I definitely wouldn't bet on the TR-24 being more rugged than the holosun. I know they have a good reputation and a lot of people swear by them, I just personally have a hard time trusting the TR24 over heavier more modern lpvo's like the razor and especially against other optic designs like prism scopes and red dots. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 4:26:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not so much the companies' reputations but rather the designs. Microdots are a very simple optics and there are numerous torture tests on holosuns and other microdots that show them to be very durable. Variable scopes have a lot more moving pieces in a long thin tube held to the rifle by a separate mount. Add that to just how light the tr24 is for an lpvo and I definitely wouldn't bet on the TR-24 being more rugged than the holosun. I know they have a good reputation and a lot of people swear by them, I just personally have a hard time trusting the TR24 over heavier more modern lpvo's like the razor and especially against other optic designs like prism scopes and red dots. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why is that? Trijicon has established themselves as a pretty reliably built product, while Holosun is still somewhat unproven. It's not so much the companies' reputations but rather the designs. Microdots are a very simple optics and there are numerous torture tests on holosuns and other microdots that show them to be very durable. Variable scopes have a lot more moving pieces in a long thin tube held to the rifle by a separate mount. Add that to just how light the tr24 is for an lpvo and I definitely wouldn't bet on the TR-24 being more rugged than the holosun. I know they have a good reputation and a lot of people swear by them, I just personally have a hard time trusting the TR24 over heavier more modern lpvo's like the razor and especially against other optic designs like prism scopes and red dots. The 24 isn’t lighter because it’s weak, it’s lighter because it’s simply a smaller 1-4 optic as opposed to a 1-6/8. Also, it doesn’t have any electronics or associated housings/batteries/circuitry/etc. Is it more/less durable than Optic X? Dunno, but is it more than durable enough for most any reasonable use? Probably. If something broke it I’d bet it would have broken it’s average competition as well. Also, the ACSS relies on electronics to work. If they fail for any reason, you have a useless optic. There aren’t electronics in the 24 to fail, but even if hypothetically its illumination were useless, it’s an etched reticle and is still usable. ^ I like both optics, and think both have their respective places. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 9:34:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not so much the companies' reputations but rather the designs. Microdots are a very simple optics and there are numerous torture tests on holosuns and other microdots that show them to be very durable. Variable scopes have a lot more moving pieces in a long thin tube held to the rifle by a separate mount. Add that to just how light the tr24 is for an lpvo and I definitely wouldn't bet on the TR-24 being more rugged than the holosun. I know they have a good reputation and a lot of people swear by them, I just personally have a hard time trusting the TR24 over heavier more modern lpvo's like the razor and especially against other optic designs like prism scopes and red dots. So Vortex had a problem with the razor genii when they cut weight on them. Lots of guys had problems with the adjustments and losing zero plus it’s a wire reticle. People don’t complain much because vortex replaces it but the TR24 is a great optic and it’s durable. The TR24 line is big with professional hunters/guides in Africa because of the fast acquisition and its ability to handle recoil of 375 and up cartridges |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 12:17:15 AM EDT
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The Trijicon Accupoint is a wire reticle if we're really getting down to the nuts and bolts. The single post triangle is probably the toughest wire reticle design made.
In the decade plus that the Accupoint has been around, I've heard of maybe 1 or 2 problems, both of which were members on here. Holosun has raised the bar for Chinese optics considerably, but they definitely don't have the track record of the Accupoint. Myself, I'd be reluctant but would choose the Trijicon. I don't consider fiber optic illumination a benefit anywhere but weight, and I think if Trijicon didn't have a patent on it we'd see it mostly on entry level product lines. |
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Posted: 3/1/2021 10:53:40 PM EDT
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Accupoints used to be known to fog, but for a SHTF gun I think I'd take it over a Holosun-and I say that as a happy holosun owner.
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Posted: 3/1/2021 11:04:03 PM EDT
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Accupoint.
Having owned lpvos in the $2,000+ Price range, I am still incredibly impressed with the accupoint |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 1:42:30 AM EDT
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Accupoint. Zero at 50, confirm at 200, determine clicks/MOA up for 300 and 400, set as needed (I'd probably leave it on 300 which is usually +3MOA or so and learn to hold under for 50-250 and over for 350-400.
For 400yards I might say consider a 1-6 accupoint which opens up the mildot recticle (but I still prefer the red triangle) |
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Posted: 3/2/2021 11:43:26 AM EDT
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For a General purpose rifle I would take a LPVO. For a HD gun I would take a red dot.
Both setups are a compromise. red dots with 3x magnifier and a LVPO. Do you want an optic setup that's awesome at close range and okay at distance (red dot and mag) or Do you want a optic that's good at distance and okay close up.(LVPO) I've had just about every setup imaginable. red dots, RD with 3x, LVPO, ACOGS, 2.5-10x, LVPO with offsets rd and ACOGS with offset rd. After all that I ended up with 2 setups. 11.5" BCM with Eotech for HD and all other close in shooting. DDM4V7LW with a 1-6x. For Hunting Hogs/deer and general use. I like to deal with the compromise the least as possible. So I just grab the rifle best suited for the type of shooting I'll be doing. |
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Posted: 3/28/2021 1:07:43 PM EDT
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How did your setup end up going? Red dot vs LPVO?
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