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Don't know how I missed this thread.
I'll be visiting you guys next month for some full auto fun while I'm out there. |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
I will talk to my operations manager on Monday and get some ordered up. It would be nice to see how well they do on our range. V/R Ron View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By Blain:
Question about your contract with LMT. Have you tried using their "Enhanced" bolts in your ARs? They supposedly have never broken one, and you mentioned that it's cheaper for you to buy higher quality first and get more life out of it. I'd love to see you test those out. Those and the fully plated Chrome BCG from daniel defense. Also, any progress on the highlighted part from your earlier post below? V/R Ron |
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Thanks for all the informative content, Rob.
Have you extensively used a Sig MCX, or did were those avoided because of your previous experience with piston ARs? Thanks. |
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Originally Posted By VeryTraumatic:
Thanks for all the informative content, Rob. Have you extensively used a Sig MCX, or did were those avoided because of your previous experience with piston ARs? Thanks. View Quote On SigTalk a user is shows how to replicate a hammer follow malfunction. You can slowly ease the Bolt forward and keep pressing the trigger... the hammer will go before the Bolt is in battery. Also the receivers are 6061 Aluminum? I'm very tempted to get the Rattler, .300BLK but have a feeling I'm walking into a mistake. |
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Originally Posted By J_Meh_Cray_D: THIS. For the Love of God and All That Is Good, THIS. Would be interesting to see how the Rattler and the Virtus line handle that kind of usage. Sig says, "To Hell And Back" so lets see how it manages. On SigTalk a user is shows how to replicate a hammer follow malfunction. You can slowly ease the Bolt forward and keep pressing the trigger... the hammer will go before the Bolt is in battery. Also the receivers are 6061 Aluminum? I'm very tempted to get the Rattler, .300BLK but have a feeling I'm walking into a mistake. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
I will talk to my operations manager on Monday and get some ordered up. It would be nice to see how well they do on our range. V/R Ron View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By Blain:
Question about your contract with LMT. Have you tried using their "Enhanced" bolts in your ARs? They supposedly have never broken one, and you mentioned that it's cheaper for you to buy higher quality first and get more life out of it. I'd love to see you test those out. Those and the fully plated Chrome BCG from daniel defense. Also, any progress on the highlighted part from your earlier post below? V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense: I will talk to my operations manager on Monday and get some ordered up. It would be nice to see how well they do on our range. V/R Ron View Quote Sharps Rifle Company also makes an NP3+, S7 tool steel plus heat treated Reliabolt at a cheaper price (89$) than LMT or JP. I use them in my heavy use suppressed SBRs and have no problems. Reliabolt @HendersonDefense |
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Originally Posted By ThrustMyStoma:
Ron, Sharps Rifle Company also makes an NP3+, S7 tool steel plus heat treated Reliabolt at a cheaper price (89$) than LMT or JP. I use them in my heavy use suppressed SBRs and have no problems. Reliabolt @HendersonDefense View Quote |
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How is this not a sticky yet
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@HendersonDefense as a quick thanks for the invaluable info log out and log back in!
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Originally Posted By paduce:
Hi again Ron. Found a thread going right here in this forum titled: "bought a PSA upper." It's a few threads down here on this front page. Member "Zerlak" disputed member "lazyengineer" when lazyengineer praised PSA gear. Zerlak stated: "Actually he posted that he had numerous PSA bolts go down very early and at low round counts. He couldn't figure out what was wrong/different about them. The Colt bolts are his longest lasting." The "he" being you Ron. View Quote Re the dog fight in the PSA forum, I'm guessing it stemmed from the experience Ron had when PSA skimped on the second cap screw on their 9mm AR BCG's and used a pin instead. That cost saving measure poked it's head out in the form of gas keys breaking off in short succession (obviously after many rounds down range but not as many as a colt :D). Here's a quote from Ron, around Page 10 of the thread. "The PSA 9mm bolts are a bit different from the Colt models and I don't know if it was to cut costs, increase production or what the reason is but they shortened the key on top and eliminated one of the cap screws. We have Colt bolt carriers with 200,000+ rounds that continue to run but the PSA bolts (four out of five) have suffered from a lost key. The one cap screw shears (also held in by a roll pin) and the weapon can no longer be charged back because the charging handle has nothing to grab. Again, I don't know why the didn't use the Colt design of two cap screws (just like a standard 5.56 gas key uses) instead of one but we have yet to lose a key on a Colt bolt carrier. Since the key is only used for charging the weapon, the armorers decided to just weld the key in place and that has fixed the problem so far." |
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Great thread. Thanks Ron.
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Any update on the Enhanced LMT bolts? Did you pick up spare extractors / springs with them? Thanks! |
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Also wondering about the LMT bolts and possible longer life
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Originally Posted By MattCrush:
Also wondering about the LMT bolts and possible longer life View Quote |
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I apologize gentleman, we still haven't purchased the bolts. We haven't needed any due to our amount in inventory but I know they are starting to run low.
V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
I apologize gentleman, we still haven't purchased the bolts. We haven't needed any due to our amount in inventory but I know they are starting to run low. V/R Ron View Quote |
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Originally Posted By AR18: Actually, I do not have a problem using the POF cam rollers on my gp AA setups and on the td. It actually to me made the systems moved smoother. My TD415 upper runs overgassed but that something was already made know by the guys in the go forum. I need to go to a H2 bufffer to correct that problem. Ron, keep bringing in the good info. I would like to see how far does your guys tds hold up. View Quote |
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@Hendersondefense
How many cycles do you find the tan follower brownells USGI mags to last vs. the M3 Pmags? How many cycles do you figure one magazine goes through in one day at your range? One week? Thanks! |
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Originally Posted By cjwwd2:
Yeah, I've seen a couple of them not work when people showed up to classes View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cjwwd2:
Originally Posted By BMad316: There has been several broken reliabolts, I have yet to hear of a broken LMT enhanced bolt. I wonder if they used just the bolt, or if they used a whole BCG? I've heard several tales of people having problems putting the LMT bolt in a standard BCG, and issues with short stroking in midlengths. The LMT bolt is meant for use in their enhanced BCG, which has a longer track for the cam pin. It also vents gas out of the ejection port; it's designed around the M4A1 carbine, a 14.5" carbine-gas barrel and H2 buffer, running M855 or other full-power 5.56 rounds. It really comes into its own when a suppressor is added. Only reason the military never adopted them is because they won't function in an M16. |
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Originally Posted By rb889:
The LMT's? I wonder if they used just the bolt, or if they used a whole BCG? I've heard several tales of people having problems putting the LMT bolt in a standard BCG, and issues with short stroking in midlengths. The LMT bolt is meant for use in their enhanced BCG, which has a longer track for the cam pin. It also vents gas out of the ejection port; it's designed around the M4A1 carbine, a 14.5" carbine-gas barrel and H2 buffer, running M855 or other full-power 5.56 rounds. It really comes into its own when a suppressor is added. Only reason the military never adopted them is because they won't function in an M16. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By rb889:
Originally Posted By cjwwd2:
Originally Posted By BMad316: There has been several broken reliabolts, I have yet to hear of a broken LMT enhanced bolt. I wonder if they used just the bolt, or if they used a whole BCG? I've heard several tales of people having problems putting the LMT bolt in a standard BCG, and issues with short stroking in midlengths. The LMT bolt is meant for use in their enhanced BCG, which has a longer track for the cam pin. It also vents gas out of the ejection port; it's designed around the M4A1 carbine, a 14.5" carbine-gas barrel and H2 buffer, running M855 or other full-power 5.56 rounds. It really comes into its own when a suppressor is added. Only reason the military never adopted them is because they won't function in an M16. I put the LMT Enhanced bolt with a standard carrier in a 14.5 midlength and it ran like a top, no issues what so ever. This was with all range of ammunition too, including some weaker .223 loads. |
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Originally Posted By Zerlak: Pretty sure it's the carrier you're thinking there and not the bolt. The carrier has the extra vent hole in it to help with excess gas, which has nothing to do with the enhanced bolt. I put the LMT Enhanced bolt with a standard carrier in a 14.5 midlength and it ran like a top, no issues what so ever. This was with all range of ammunition too, including some weaker .223 loads. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By rb889:
-snip- The LMT bolt is meant for use in their enhanced BCG, which has a longer track for the cam pin. It also vents gas out of the ejection port View Quote Edited to fix typo. My fingers sometimes go sort of phonetic when I'm typing. |
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Much earlier in this thread, @HendersonDefense stated that he had observed fewer failures out of the 20" ARs, though it was qualified by the caveat that they put fewer rounds through those guns.
If there is something to it, I'm wondering if it's due to the length of the gas system or the stock / recoil system. In other words, would we expect a 20" AR with a carbine buffer and tube be as prone to failure as 16" carbines, or would they be more like the 20" rifles with fixed stocks? Asking because I'm thinking that a Magpul Fixed Carbine stock (which still mounts on a carbine buffer) or a Magpul SL might be a damned good combination with a pencil profile 20" rifle barrel. |
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Originally Posted By JamesP81:
Much earlier in this thread, @HendersonDefense stated that he had observed fewer failures out of the 20" ARs, though it was qualified by the caveat that they put fewer rounds through those guns. If there is something to it, I'm wondering if it's due to the length of the gas system or the stock / recoil system. In other words, would we expect a 20" AR with a carbine buffer and tube be as prone to failure as 16" carbines, or would they be more like the 20" rifles with fixed stocks? Asking because I'm thinking that a Magpul Fixed Carbine stock (which still mounts on a carbine buffer) or a Magpul SL might be a damned good combination with a pencil profile 20" rifle barrel. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Blain: It is a well known fact in the industry that the 20" AR (the original platform) is the most reliable of the variants. That's how the gun was designed, and yes it has to do with the gas system and to a lesser extent the rifle buffer / spring. Army testing has also confirmed this fact. View Quote V/R Ron |
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I asked about Cryo-Treating some time in the past of this thread. Any comments?
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Originally Posted By Blackwind:
While they didn't invent the vent hole, they changed the position on the enhanced bolt carrier. Run suppressed and you note the difference post haste. Rather than at the side direct, they moved higher towards the top. https://lmtdefense.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/L7Q3.png View Quote The evidence shows their enhanced venting DOES make a (often HUGE) difference, especially when you are running full auto and/or suppressed - especially suppressed because of the increased pressure. Managing the pressure dump from inside the carrier reduces wear and internal stress, and should make the gun run a lot cleaner, too. |
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Originally Posted By GHPorter:
You're absolutely correct. The post I responded to sounded like venting the excess gas out the ejection port was new, which is not true. The evidence shows their enhanced venting DOES make a (often HUGE) difference, especially when you are running full auto and/or suppressed - especially suppressed because of the increased pressure. Managing the pressure dump from inside the carrier reduces wear and internal stress, and should make the gun run a lot cleaner, too. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By M4A1Carbine:
Quite simply, many people who spend $1500+ on high end rifles don’t want to believe you can get a reliable AR for less than half that. There is a lot of marketing to the same effect. I’ve always recommended people look at PSA premium ARs and use the money they save on optics and ammo. Thank you for the continued updates. They are very much appreciated. View Quote |
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Checking back for LMT or any other updates
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
We use M16A1-style rifles (non-Colt lowers) every day of the week now because of the various packages and to my knowledge, we have zero issues with those. When I stop in there today, I will get information on the performance of the M16A1 and M16A4 configurations that customers shoot all the time. V/R Ron View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By Blain: It is a well known fact in the industry that the 20" AR (the original platform) is the most reliable of the variants. That's how the gun was designed, and yes it has to do with the gas system and to a lesser extent the rifle buffer / spring. Army testing has also confirmed this fact. V/R Ron Sounds good Ron! What info did you find out? Thanks! |
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Originally Posted By Blain: @Hendersondefense Sounds good Ron! What info did you find out? Thanks! View Quote V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense: We haven't lost any bolts in our 20" guns and that includes one that just went down for "keyholing". I believe I purchased the barrel from Del-Ton about five years ago and it more than served it's purpose. V/R Ron View Quote |
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Bumping/tagging.
Also, with regards to "super bolts" like the LMT, the JP, and the Sharps--In addition to the problematic Relia-bolt, Sharps has a DLC-coated XPB, for "Xtreme Performance Bolt". I'm curious as to how these premium bolts hold up as well, I'm debating whether it's worth getting one in my current rifle. |
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Just finished reading this thread. WOW!
It's pure gold. |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
One last word about my staff. I hired a new driver two weeks ago. Everything looked good; infantry E5 who was running and gunning and DD-214 matched up with application. After all was said and done about his service, he called him out on smoking pot. He admitted that he's had issues adjusting since being home and he was hoping that it would help him relax but instead made him more depressed. He said he heard about a place where it' mostly GI's working together in a military-style environment and he was hoping he would fit in. I told my manager to hire him on the spot and start issuing him uniform, boots and get him out for a whiz quiz and background check ASAP. Two days later he walked up to me and asked if he could talk. I said of course as my staff know that I have an open-door policy for personal matters. He told me that he thinks this is the best thing that's ever happened. He said he's tried to get jobs at other places but when you go from 100 miles per hour to zero it hits you hard. When just a couple months ago when you were shooting people down range and you have your boys with you everyday life gets turned upside down when you can't talk about it with fellow employees who will think you're crazy and going to do something stupid. He looked at me with those same eyes I get from so many of the staff and said thank you for doing this. He said he needed to get back in uniform, he needed to talk to guys who are on his level and have been there, done that and can cope with words that come out of his mouth. View Quote THANK YOU. |
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(Sucks I had to cull the comments so short to fit 2000 character limit for new accounts, but I do understand why.)
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Originally Posted By LAYGO:
I've been reading ARFCom for years as a guest, but I registered just to say thank you for these comments. My fiance is a psychologist for the VA. She deals with those guys too and I hear her words echoing in your statements. Our Father's served and she saw what the VA did and didn't do for them & she wants to change that. I sincerely appreciate what you and she does for our vets. THANK YOU. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LAYGO:
Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
One last word about my staff. I hired a new driver two weeks ago. Everything looked good; infantry E5 who was running and gunning and DD-214 matched up with application. After all was said and done about his service, he called him out on smoking pot. He admitted that he's had issues adjusting since being home and he was hoping that it would help him relax but instead made him more depressed. He said he heard about a place where it' mostly GI's working together in a military-style environment and he was hoping he would fit in. I told my manager to hire him on the spot and start issuing him uniform, boots and get him out for a whiz quiz and background check ASAP. Two days later he walked up to me and asked if he could talk. I said of course as my staff know that I have an open-door policy for personal matters. He told me that he thinks this is the best thing that's ever happened. He said he's tried to get jobs at other places but when you go from 100 miles per hour to zero it hits you hard. When just a couple months ago when you were shooting people down range and you have your boys with you everyday life gets turned upside down when you can't talk about it with fellow employees who will think you're crazy and going to do something stupid. He looked at me with those same eyes I get from so many of the staff and said thank you for doing this. He said he needed to get back in uniform, he needed to talk to guys who are on his level and have been there, done that and can cope with words that come out of his mouth. THANK YOU. Ron you are a good man and changed that NCOs life. Well done |
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