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Posted: 8/7/2022 8:39:57 PM EDT
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Sampson, what a pos...
Got one of those on the Macon Armory upper I bought. Tried to use a picatinny front sight, and would never hold zero. Finally machined out a bushing that inserted into the pos hand guard, and that stopped the movement. But got tiered of dealing with the threaded steel inserts for attaching shit to it, so going with am ADE KeyLok hand guard, and doesn't use stinking pinch screws to retain it. Under $40 at opticsplanet. .jpg?width=320&height=320&fit=bounds)
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Posted: 8/7/2022 9:09:30 PM EDT
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Centurion's C4 is probably the way to go if you want to keep that nut on there.
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Posted: 8/7/2022 9:25:30 PM EDT
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I have 2 Samsons - one on a range queen and the other on my hog rifle - both gtg.
I have been buying SLR hg's for my newer builds. |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 9:31:15 PM EDT
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I had a fortis rev for years. Never could get used to the full length lower rail (overall shape felt like a 2x4 on edge). I ended up giving it to a friend and bought a troy alpha. Don't do that. Their mounting system sucks balls. Swapped that out for the newer forms rev 2. I'm happy now. It's comfortable and locks up well. The "OD" is a very bright anodized, but if you're going black it's a non-issue.
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Posted: 8/7/2022 9:51:11 PM EDT
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C4 or REV II
Don’t buy a Troy. Their method of attachment to the barrel nut is subpar at best. |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 10:01:56 PM EDT
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that's not a standard barrel nut
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Posted: 8/7/2022 10:09:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: that's not a standard barrel nut The pic in the OP shows the "thermal bushing" setup that shrouds a USGI style barrel nut. |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 10:48:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The pic in the OP shows the "thermal bushing" setup that shrouds a USGI style barrel nut. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: that's not a standard barrel nut The pic in the OP shows the "thermal bushing" setup that shrouds a USGI style barrel nut. Hmmm, interesting |
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Posted: 8/7/2022 10:55:26 PM EDT
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I bought a Mission First Tactical guard from Gouger Mountain on clearance when they closed. $60, goes over the stock nut, works great. Worth the $60, but regular price was $200.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 1:11:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/8/2022 3:28:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The pic in the OP shows the "thermal bushing" setup that shrouds a USGI style barrel nut. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: that's not a standard barrel nut The pic in the OP shows the "thermal bushing" setup that shrouds a USGI style barrel nut. I was wondering about that.  Midwest Industries and Centurion would be my recommendations. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 4:11:10 AM EDT
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Centurion C4 is the nicest of all the rails that take a USGI nut.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 6:38:28 AM EDT
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For std bbl nuts, Centurion C4 and FCD RHF4 lead the pack. Not everyone wants to pay the money but they're solid.
Never was a fan of anything that relied on pinching the barrel nut for retention personally. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 7:57:32 AM EDT
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VLTOR CASV is a nice rail. They are a little heavy, but rock solid.
Not mine, but I do have one similar.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 8:07:03 AM EDT
[#15]
 Troy MLOK Battle Rail. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 8:54:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryTroy’s method of attaching the rail to the barrel nut is garbage. It’s not a matter of “if” but “when” the rail will slip off the nut. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 9:10:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Troy’s method of attaching the rail to the barrel nut is garbage. It’s not a matter of “if” but “when” the rail will slip off the nut. After the 2nd time mine did it I chucked it aside and used something else. I'm not even sure what happened to it. Hell, I might have thrown it in the trash. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 9:14:45 AM EDT
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I like centurion and MI rails if you don't want to use the delta ring.
KAC or vltor if you use the delta ring. I love my CASV  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 12:41:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Troy’s method of attaching the rail to the barrel nut is garbage. It’s not a matter of “if” but “when” the rail will slip off the nut. I must be lucky. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 1:31:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I must be lucky. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Troy’s method of attaching the rail to the barrel nut is garbage. It’s not a matter of “if” but “when” the rail will slip off the nut. I must be lucky. 1. Take a good 2-day carbine course 2. Bring a spare rifle for when the handguard inevitably comes off 3. Once home, replace Troy handguard with something that actually attaches to the barrel nut 4. Profit Seriously, I never had a problem with and was a big fan of the Troy rails...until I took a carbine class and actually ran the gun hard. As soon as I got home I started ordering handguards to replace the 3 or 4 Troy rails I had at the time. The only advantage that Troy has over other options that attach to a standard barrel nut is price. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 1:42:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have 2 Samsons - one on a range queen and the other on my hog rifle - both gtg. I have been buying SLR hg's for my newer builds. I have one that has been good and ordered another yesterday. Seems like every time I order something I see a thread about what a pos it is the next day.
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Posted: 8/8/2022 3:04:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1. Take a good 2-day carbine course 2. Bring a spare rifle for when the handguard inevitably comes off 3. Once home, replace Troy handguard with something that actually attaches to the barrel nut 4. Profit Seriously, I never had a problem with and was a big fan of the Troy rails...until I took a carbine class and actually ran the gun hard. As soon as I got home I started ordering handguards to replace the 3 or 4 Troy rails I had at the time. The only advantage that Troy has over other options that attach to a standard barrel nut is price. Like I said I must be lucky. That rifle has been through two courses and accidentally dropped out of tree stand. The only issue with the rail was a screw coming loose, which I re-torqued and haven't had an issue since. I think most people ignore the torque specs, screw it in and call it good. It's also a sample size of one. And to get back on track, OP was asking about rails that use standard barrel nuts which the Troy does. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 3:54:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have one that has been good and ordered another yesterday. Seems like every time I order something I see a thread about what a pos it is the next day. I would have sold you mine for cheap-cheap... |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 3:59:03 PM EDT
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Apex is good system but a little dated.
I have a couple that are 10 years old or more. Still solid. Cans fit under them too. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 10:31:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apex is good system but a little dated. I have a couple that are 10 years old or more. Still solid. Cans fit under them too. I knew there was a one I was forgetting. I’ve always dug the Apex Machine handguards. |
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Posted: 8/12/2022 10:12:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would have sold you mine for cheap-cheap... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have one that has been good and ordered another yesterday. Seems like every time I order something I see a thread about what a pos it is the next day. I would have sold you mine for cheap-cheap... It'll work fine for this gun which will be a varmint / bull barrel build. I usually prefer Midwest handguards but it looked like the larger gas block might be too big to fit inside one. The Samson has plenty of room. Honestly I don't shoot my other rifle with a Samson much anymore. It's a pin and weld to 16" that I put together before I saw the light and started buying rifle silencers. The handguard hasn't moved at all though. |
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Posted: 8/12/2022 2:42:22 PM EDT
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I have some extra Apex Machine handguards laying around after I switched to the Midwest suppressor ready handguards. If you are interested let me know. They are not abused and will fit over any gasblock as the inside is about 1.7 diameter.
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Posted: 8/14/2022 10:39:36 AM EDT
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Fortis rev 2 uses a standard barrel nut. Midwest Industries has an older one that does too. Can't remember which one it is though.
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Posted: 8/14/2022 11:39:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fortis rev 2 uses a standard barrel nut. Midwest Industries has an older one that does too. Can't remember which one it is though. MI Gen 2/2 pc FF clamp to a USGI style bbl nut. |
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