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Posted: 8/30/2019 12:28:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/30/2019 12:42:01 AM EST by Torch-36]
Anyone had any luck finding the government formulation of Break Free CLP?  Safariland's website indicates that they make both a commercial and a government formulation of CLP.  I've contacted a few vendors using stock photos like the link below to determine if they actually carry the formulation pictured (with NATO Code and NSN labeling) but haven't found one yet that actually does.



Hoping this formulation works as well as the older CLP used to.
Link Posted: 8/30/2019 7:46:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/30/2019 7:48:52 AM EST by surpdlr]
https://www.radcoind.com/fluid/radcolube-clp/

Can be had here: https://www.amazon.com/RADCOLUBE-CLP-GUN-CLEANER-Twist/dp/B073RPCG14

I have no personal knowledge of this product or seller!
Link Posted: 8/30/2019 9:04:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/30/2019 9:13:56 AM EST by Kekoa]
So, I'm sitting here having my morning cup of coffee, and cruising around Arfcom, and run across this thread.  The bottle looks familiar, so I check my cleaning supplies, and sure enough, I have it.  Unfortunately, it's been so long since I bought it, that I can honestly say I don't have any idea where I got it (probably on line, somewhere).  But it's out there somewhere, or at least, it was.

I know....I'm not much help.



EDIT:   Found it......Looks like Midway has it in a big ass spray bottle.
Link Posted: 8/30/2019 1:48:36 PM EST
I thought G96 brand was being used by the military now?
Link Posted: 8/30/2019 4:58:51 PM EST
OP I"m not sure what the older version for you is.  When I went into the .mil in 1996 the CLP had to be thoroughly shaken prior to use because it would literally have chunks of the mixture floating in the bottle and would clog the spout if you didn't shake it really good.  Breakfree CLP, from what I understand, has changed over the years.  It is good kit IMHO.
Link Posted: 8/30/2019 5:44:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By REGULARGUY556:
OP I"m not sure what the older version for you is.  When I went into the .mil in 1996 the CLP had to be thoroughly shaken prior to use because it would literally have chunks of the mixture floating in the bottle and would clog the spout if you didn't shake it really good.  Breakfree CLP, from what I understand, has changed over the years.  It is good kit IMHO.
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I believe that was due to the teflon in the old CLP formulas.  They got rid of the Teflon due to it causing accuracy issues.
Link Posted: 8/30/2019 6:14:45 PM EST
I think the max qualtity you can buy the mil-spec stuff is 16 oz spray bottle

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1106170293
Link Posted: 8/31/2019 3:33:53 AM EST
I'm looking for the 4oz. bottles.  As I indicated earlier, those vendors I've contacted didn't even know there were two different formulations of it and just happened to be using stock photos of the formula they weren't selling.  I'm currently using G96 CLP and have ordered a bottle of Radcolube CLP to see if that's any better.  The older Break Free that would settle and had to be shaken before use was pretty good stuff.  If anyone has had a chance to use both of the current Break Free CLP formulas I'd like to know if you think there is a difference in how well it removes carbon deposits.
Link Posted: 8/31/2019 6:24:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/31/2019 6:28:12 PM EST by lysanderxiii]
Originally Posted By Torch-36:
Anyone had any luck finding the government formulation of Break Free CLP?  Safariland's website indicates that they make both a commercial and a government formulation of CLP.  I've contacted a few vendors using stock photos like the link below to determine if they actually carry the formulation pictured (with NATO Code and NSN labeling) but haven't found one yet that actually does.

https://imageshack.com/i/pmbqKMptj

Hoping this formulation works as well as the older CLP used to.
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"CLP", aka MIL-PRF-63460, is a performance specification.  Therefore, there is no "government formulation", each manufacturer makes their own special recipe, and if its performance meets the Govt's requirements, it is accepted as "MIL-PRF-63460 - Cleaner, Lubricant, and Preservative for Weapons and Weapons Systems".

Currently, there are several qualified suppliers, all of them should perform as required in MIL-PRF-63460:

ARPOLUBE 63460E - CHEMICAL SPECIALISTS AND DEVELOPMENT, LLC NEXEO SOLUTIONS

BREAK FREE CLP LIQUID - SAFARILAND, LLC

CHEMLON SYNTHETIC CLP GUN OIL - CHEMLON PACKAGING CORP

G96 CLP SYNTHETIC OIL - G96 PRODUCTS INC.
G96 SYNTHETIC BIO-CLP GUN OIL - G96 PRODUCTS INC.

NYCOLUBE 127 CLP - NYCO
NYCOLUBE 127 CLP BIO - NYCO

PRO-SHOT 1 STEP MIL-SPEC CLP - PRO-SHOT PRODUCTS, INC.

QMAXX TYPE "A" QB-1-54 LIQUID - QMAXX PRODUCTS GROUP, INC.

RADCOLUBE CLP - RADCO INDUSTRIES, INC.

ROYAL PURPLE MAX-RUN SYNTHETIC GUN LUBRICANT - ROYAL PURPLE LLC

ROYCO-634E - LANXESS SOLUTIONS US INC. ANDEROL DIVISION

SENT-CLP E - LUBRIFIANTS SENTINEL CORP, LES SENTINEL CANADA
SENT-CLP-EE - LUBRIFIANTS SENTINEL CORP, LES SENTINEL CANADA

SKILCRAFT CLP - LIGHTHOUSE FOR THE BLIND, THE LHB INDUSTRIES
Link Posted: 8/31/2019 6:32:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/31/2019 6:36:38 PM EST by lysanderxiii]
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Originally Posted By MouseBoy:
I think the max qualtity you can buy the mil-spec stuff is 16 oz spray bottle

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1106170293
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Get it by the gallon, its cheaper.


And get your own eyedropper bottles off ebay:

Link Posted: 8/31/2019 6:47:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Postal0311:
I believe that was due to the teflon in the old CLP formulas.  They got rid of the Teflon due to it causing accuracy issues.
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Originally Posted By REGULARGUY556:
OP I"m not sure what the older version for you is.  When I went into the .mil in 1996 the CLP had to be thoroughly shaken prior to use because it would literally have chunks of the mixture floating in the bottle and would clog the spout if you didn't shake it really good.  Breakfree CLP, from what I understand, has changed over the years.  It is good kit IMHO.
I believe that was due to the teflon in the old CLP formulas.  They got rid of the Teflon due to it causing accuracy issues.
Accuracy? ... A potential carcinogen, yeah, if burned in quantity with prolonged exposure...

That having been said, I have enough old CLP to keep me going for a while.  Drop a few BB's or small ball bearings in the bottle, and it'll help to quickly break up the settled teflon
Link Posted: 8/31/2019 8:13:16 PM EST
Before this thread creeps off-topic be aware that according to Safariland there are two different formulations of their Break Free CLP.  They refer to them as "commercial" and "government" but I really don't care if they should have used some other description or not.  I just want to try some of the stuff I can't find at any retailers, and that's the one that has the NSN number on it.  So, to steer this conversation back on topic, who stocks it in 4oz. bottles?
Link Posted: 9/4/2019 8:01:09 AM EST
Unfortunately the picture on midwayusa and brownells are not accurate. You'll get the commercial bottle. I don't think they sell them any more.

Only way to get them is to either join the military, or have a buddy in the military who can get a bottle for you.

Sometimes eBay sellers have the bottle for sale. I see one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Pint-Spray-Bottle-Mil-Spec-S-758-CLP-Break-Free-Lubricant-Cleaner-Gun-Oil/331222128118

Then again it's eBay, so who knows.
Link Posted: 9/4/2019 8:04:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/4/2019 8:06:13 AM EST by dalle0001]
I also don't think the newer military bottle of CLP is exactly the same old one with teflon.

First Safariland released this memo in 2017:

https://www.safariland.com/news-posts/refined-break-free-clp-liquid-officially-approved-military-use-one-step-cleaning-solution-exceeding-mil-prf-63460e4-military-test-standards.html

So they release that memo, then in 2018, they released this memo:

https://www.safariland.com/news-posts/mil-spec-break-free-clp-liquid-now-available.html

So it would suggest that the earlier 2017 memo still applies where the newer milspec version is the one without the teflon, aka "old formula."

Edit: You have to copy-and-paste the links above. If you click them, it'll go to the safriland's homepage.
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 9:35:26 AM EST
the stuff you are looking for is rev d of the spec iirc, which has not been on the market civi or mil for some time.
Link Posted: 9/12/2019 6:22:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2019 6:30:02 PM EST by Torch-36]
IIRC the current MIL-L-63460 version of BreakFree no longer includes teflon.  It is currently in production and is briefly described on the Safariland website.  Just wanted to try a bottle or two to compare side-by-side with the commercial one found on store shelves.  Safariland hasn't bothered to market the MIL-L-63460 version commercially which is probably why it's so hard to find.  I emailed Safariland about where to find some and they gave me contact information for Tact 360 (not related to Tactical 360).  Unfortunately, that vendor wasn't interested in selling two bottles to me.
Link Posted: 11/18/2019 3:47:10 PM EST
I seem to remember a thread here years ago that surmised that the military formulation had a higher solvent content than the commercial version, but was otherwise the same. But I don't remember the specifics.

As a side note I have some of the old formulation with the teflon and hate it.  Even though I shake it it's always clogging droppers up and leaving chunks of teflon everywhere.

Also I remember a thread from awhile back where some folks here found the G96 formulation had slightly better extreme low temperature performance than the Safariland formulation.
They do smell very different from each other in my opinion.
Link Posted: 11/23/2019 7:30:19 PM EST
MIL-PRF-63460 is a performance specification, it has always been so.

This means there is no such thing as "a Government formulation".

With a performance spec, the Govt just sets down a list of things the product do.  Such as, it must be bio-based, it must not contain graphite, it must meet specified load carrying capacity, it must not discolor chemical agent test paper, etc.

Each supplier makes their own proprietary soup and submits it to qualification.  If it passes the supplier gets to slap "MIL-PRF-63460" on the label.  The government doesn't know, nor do they care what the formula is.  And the supplier is not bound to keep the formula the same, if they can find a cheaper way to make the soup, that's fine, it was has to be requalified to prove it still works according to the specification.

Oh, and there are two types of MIL-PRF-63460, Type A, Traditional (non-biobased), and Type B, biobased.

Whichever one is cheaper to make, is what you, the civilian consumer, are buying, the military is probably buying Type B, as the "green" thing is in right now.
Link Posted: 11/24/2019 8:09:21 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/24/2019 8:40:39 PM EST by Torch-36]
It's type A

https://imgur.com/emZ1UAY
Link Posted: 11/24/2019 10:54:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/24/2019 11:01:25 PM EST by lysanderxiii]
G96 is Type B



Or, Type A

Link Posted: 11/25/2019 12:44:48 AM EST
The link shows that its type A.
Link Posted: 11/25/2019 3:09:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/25/2019 3:11:01 PM EST by lysanderxiii]
Link Posted: 11/25/2019 8:56:00 PM EST
As the OP I opened this thread to ask about Break Free CLP (not G96) and my reference to type A is based on the picture of Break Free "Mil-E Rev D" CLP linked on 11/24.  Let me know if you have a problem opening that link and I'll see if I can figure out how to make it hot.
Link Posted: 11/26/2019 12:19:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/26/2019 12:22:45 PM EST by lysanderxiii]
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Originally Posted By Torch-36:
As the OP I opened this thread to ask about Break Free CLP (not G96) and my reference to type A is based on the picture of Break Free "Mil-E Rev D" CLP linked on 11/24.  Let me know if you have a problem opening that link and I'll see if I can figure out how to make it hot.
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Rev D was obsolete twelve years ago.  The current requirement is Rev F.

If you really have to have CLP marked with the mil-spec, buy some surplus, if you just want some CLP that meets the current requirements, buy some G96 (either color bottle).
Link Posted: 11/27/2019 3:06:17 AM EST
M4's are obsolete . . .  yet still being used.  That's pretty much the same story here with the bottle marked "2018" and "Rev D".  I do have, and use G96, but that's not the point because this thread is about Break Free CLP.
Link Posted: 2/8/2020 9:47:38 AM EST
Link Posted: 2/8/2020 12:06:29 PM EST
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Getting ready to change into someone more comfortable. Name changes coming.
Link Posted: 2/9/2020 8:58:31 AM EST
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Originally Posted By j3_:
Have only seen it in the tiny bottle. It does look and smell a little different on a patch than the stuff I got three or four years ago.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1642/clpmil1_JPG-1268563.JPG
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Out of curiosity, where did you get that bottle?
Link Posted: 2/9/2020 9:15:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/20/2021 10:17:58 PM EST by j3_]
Getting ready to change into someone more comfortable. Name changes coming.
Link Posted: 2/9/2020 11:56:27 AM EST
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Originally Posted By j3_:
Gander outdoors. They had a mix of these type bottles and the old style little bottles.
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Interesting, I haven't seen that style bottle and I didn't know they made a formula meeting the F designation.
Link Posted: 2/10/2020 9:53:52 AM EST
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Originally Posted By socommatthews:
Out of curiosity, where did you get that bottle?
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Originally Posted By j3_:
Have only seen it in the tiny bottle. It does look and smell a little different on a patch than the stuff I got three or four years ago.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1642/clpmil1_JPG-1268563.JPG
Out of curiosity, where did you get that bottle?
I got a 16 oz spray bottle from Amazon a few weeks ago. The label looks just like that.
Link Posted: 2/10/2020 4:21:59 PM EST
If it helps, our armory (USMC) currently has

MIL-PRF-63460E & AMD 2

9150-01-053-6688

NEXEO SOLUTIONS LLC (FORMERLY CSD INC)

In 1 gallon jugs.
Link Posted: 9/15/2020 6:38:53 AM EST
Personally, I am a fan of using 50/50 LSA and older break free.  It lasts much longer, and is pretty decent at cleaning stuff too.
Link Posted: 9/15/2020 6:43:19 AM EST
Originally Posted By Torch-36:
Anyone had any luck finding the government formulation of Break Free CLP?  Safariland's website indicates that they make both a commercial and a government formulation of CLP.  I've contacted a few vendors using stock photos like the link below to determine if they actually carry the formulation pictured (with NATO Code and NSN labeling) but haven't found one yet that actually does.  

https://imageshack.com/i/pmbqKMptj

Hoping this formulation works as well as the older CLP used to.
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I still have half of jug of the stuff from 94. Yes, you do have to shake the shit out of it because it separates after a while.
Link Posted: 9/15/2020 8:54:40 AM EST
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Originally Posted By GunnyG:


Accuracy? ... A potential carcinogen, yeah, if burned in quantity with prolonged exposure...

That having been said, I have enough old CLP to keep me going for a while.  Drop a few BB's or small ball bearings in the bottle, and it'll help to quickly break up the settled teflon
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I had that exact thought.
Link Posted: 9/16/2020 11:28:08 PM EST
I hate that yall made me go down the rabbit hole of CLP spec changes over the years

The notable changes were:
MIL-PRF-63460F, 2017: designated a Type A (non-bio) and Type B (at least 33% bio)
MIL-PRF-63460E(4), 2014: 2% bio requirement; firing residue removal requirement dropped from 80% to 40%
MIL-PRF-63460E(1), 2008: removed 'corrosion-protection from propellant reaction' requirement (this was protection from corrosion from powder residue in the barrel)
MIL-PRF-63460D(7), 2005: specs for Type I (general issue) and Type II (extreme desert environments), Falex load carrying capacity dropped from 750 lbs to 500 lbs
MIL-PRF-63460D(6), 1995: no ozone reducing materials allowed

Testing procedures were changed a lot between various versions but the performance specs didn't change a whole lot over the years. It seems like the good stuff would have been MIL-PRF-63460D from before 1995

Link Posted: 10/3/2020 6:15:54 AM EST
I really miss the way the old revision D Break-Free smells. If I'm not badly mistaken, it's the last one that had the white flaky PTFE in it. The BF that didn't meet revision E had a burnt rubber smell to it and I really didn't care for it. I got some of the latest revision F BF and I really like it. It has no perceptible smell, cleans well, and hangs around better than the previous generations.
Link Posted: 10/3/2020 4:35:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Torch-36:
As the OP I opened this thread to ask about Break Free CLP (not G96) and my reference to type A is based on the picture of Break Free "Mil-E Rev D" CLP linked on 11/24.  Let me know if you have a problem opening that link and I'll see if I can figure out how to make it hot.
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@Torch-36
The commercial and govt versions of BF CLP just refers to the packaging/labeling.
The MIL-PRF-63460F spec is broken down to Type A (non-bio formulation) and Type B (bio formulation)
The CLP with teflon hasn't been a thing since the mid-90s
The pic you linked to is the non-bio version


Link Posted: 10/7/2020 7:09:30 AM EST
While I'm an avid user of CLP, it's also because I have gallons of the stuff. It works fine for me except on fouled rimfire firing pins in the worst of winter. Centerfire doesn't care.

If you need to buy stuff, just go get whatever oil your truck takes and roll with it. $5/qt for oil, instead of $5/oz for CLP. Can get a can of some type of carb cleaner stuff for way cheaper than powder solvent too. Not sure what you can really use in place of copper solvent, is grocery-store ammonia potent enough? Engine oil does well enough to clean up a gun anyway.

If you live north of like 40⁰, or at really high altitudes, etc, you may want some super thin car-engine oil for the winters. I'd consider my latitude, central Ohio, to be a limbo area. Usually 0⁰F is the low here.

That said, I'd buy breakfree, g96, etc, with confidence if I needed it. Whatever formulation they have will work just fine. Don't sweat it.
Link Posted: 10/7/2020 7:16:12 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2020 8:47:21 AM EST by Derek45]
the old military stuff had PTFE beads and Trichloroethylene

i’ll try and post pics later


Trichloroethylene is bad stuff

ended up the the Camp Lejeune water
Link Posted: 10/7/2020 8:52:54 PM EST
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the old military stuff had PTFE beads and Trichloroethylene

i’ll try and post pics later


Trichloroethylene is bad stuff

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Old CLP ...you may be able to see the white teflon beads in the bottom of the bottle....




Link Posted: 10/9/2020 9:07:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Derek45:


Old CLP ...you may be able to see the white teflon beads in the bottom of the bottle....

https://i.imgur.com/ZayoqT4.jpg

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That's an old bottle of Royco for sure.
Link Posted: 12/21/2020 8:45:38 AM EST
I was an armorer in a NG unit that had been converted from artillery. As such they had cases of those one liter bottles that were single use applications for punching artillery bores. I used to scrape the teflon out of the bottles, and put it in a different contatiner. I would then be able to produce on demand my 'magic' extra strength lube for those stubborn weapons on range days .

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Old CLP ...you may be able to see the white teflon beads in the bottom of the bottle....

https://i.imgur.com/ZayoqT4.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/bJEbeij.jpg
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