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Posted: 1/17/2018 6:08:32 PM EDT
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I don’t think it is crazy talk. I have been thinking along the same lines for a while now, for all the same reasons - battery life, weight, cost, etc. plus, the Holosun lets you switch between the circle dot reticle or just the dot — something the Eotech doesn’t offer. Also, the Holosun has motion sensing turn on feature, which is really awesome — again, something Eotech doesn’t offer.
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Posted: 1/18/2018 2:38:26 AM EDT
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Make China great again!!!
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Posted: 1/28/2018 12:16:49 PM EDT
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Where is it in the low 200's?
I want one but not sure if i want to spend 300, which is all i can find. |
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Posted: 1/28/2018 7:12:10 PM EDT
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Anyone running a Holosun 510C over a EOTech 512? I have seen the 510C for in the low $200s and the initial reviews have been quite good. In particular the battery life, reticle, size and weight are positive attributes that make me question whether I should give it a shot over the 512? Crazy talk? |
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Posted: 1/28/2018 7:39:50 PM EDT
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buddy of mine has the 510c and an EXPS2......said he had to pick one it would be the Holosun
People need to get over this "made in china" bullshit they keep talking about..........these modern optics are getting VERY good for very competitive pricing |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 10:39:20 AM EDT
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Make China great again!!! |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 12:28:09 PM EDT
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Been shooting the Holosun on my PCC for a little over a year. It is a better optic than the EOTech except for the flimsy mount.
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Posted: 2/2/2018 1:52:12 PM EDT
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Been shooting the Holosun on my PCC for a little over a year. It is a better optic than the EOTech except for the flimsy mount. |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 1:59:20 PM EDT
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That settles it for me. Is the mount removable? Having said that, my newer one doesn't fall off like the older one did. Maybe they changed it recently? Give the factory one a go and see if it'll hold. If not, swap it out. |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 4:17:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, just remove the screw and replace with something else from Home Depot. That's what my buddy did. Having said that, my newer one doesn't fall off like the older one did. Maybe they changed it recently? Give the factory one a go and see if it'll hold. If not, swap it out. |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 4:30:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, "Home Depot?" Am I missing something? |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 4:49:33 PM EDT
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Sorry, "Home Depot?" Am I missing something? |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 7:52:45 PM EDT
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Take a look at Sig Romeo5 XDR. Has red dot and circle reticle like the eotech. Plus an auto shut off and on when it detects movement. I have one on my 300BO. Have a eotech 512 but would have chosen the sig if it was available at the time I bought the eotech. Uses a AAA battery.
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Posted: 2/2/2018 8:49:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, just remove the screw and replace with something else from Home Depot. That's what my buddy did. Having said that, my newer one doesn't fall off like the older one did. Maybe they changed it recently? Give the factory one a go and see if it'll hold. If not, swap it out. |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 8:56:51 PM EDT
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I believe he is talking about the screws they come with. They aren't the highest quality. |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 9:00:00 PM EDT
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The holosun is yet another cheap ass reflex sight, powered by an LED, not a holographic sight powered by a laser like the eotech. Of course an LED uses less power than a laser diode. Of course there are no “swimming dots”, only laser light in a true holographic projection produces those. If you want big parallax error in a cheap reflex sight, but at the same price as an actual holographic sight, go for the holosun. Eotech 512s were selling for under $300 when their rebate was running last fall.
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Posted: 2/4/2018 11:46:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, just remove the screw and replace with something else from Home Depot. That's what my buddy did. Having said that, my newer one doesn't fall off like the older one did. Maybe they changed it recently? Give the factory one a go and see if it'll hold. If not, swap it out. |
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Posted: 2/5/2018 11:47:01 PM EDT
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I went ahead and ordered a Holosun 510c on 1-28-18, paid extra for priority shipping. it shipped on 1-30-18, i didn't get the damn thing till 2-4-18 (5 days). So thank you USPS for your fast 2 day shipping, yes it had a 2 day sticker on the box. I wanted to take it to the range on 2-3-18 to sight it in.
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Posted: 2/6/2018 12:36:34 AM EDT
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I went ahead and ordered a Holosun 510c on 1-28-18, paid extra for priority shipping. it shipped on 1-30-18, i didn't get the damn thing till 2-4-18 (5 days). So thank you USPS for your fast 2 day shipping, yes it had a 2 day sticker on the box. I wanted to take it to the range on 2-3-18 to sight it in. My last 2 day package took a week and a half. I have been using UPS every chance I get even if it cost a little more and comes a day later it's still safer and quicker than USPS. |
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Posted: 2/6/2018 12:41:06 AM EDT
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What's the size of the screw? I'd like to get some from Home Depot. |
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Posted: 2/6/2018 12:53:44 AM EDT
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USPS has been 4-5 days late on average with their 2 day shipping for the last couple of months. My last 2 day package took a week and a half. I have been using UPS every chance I get even if it cost a little more and comes a day later it's still safer and quicker than USPS. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I went ahead and ordered a Holosun 510c on 1-28-18, paid extra for priority shipping. it shipped on 1-30-18, i didn't get the damn thing till 2-4-18 (5 days). So thank you USPS for your fast 2 day shipping, yes it had a 2 day sticker on the box. I wanted to take it to the range on 2-3-18 to sight it in. My last 2 day package took a week and a half. I have been using UPS every chance I get even if it cost a little more and comes a day later it's still safer and quicker than USPS. |
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Posted: 2/6/2018 6:40:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't remember offhand and lost the original picture I took from the Home Depot screw aisle. Holosun will know this though. I would try the factory QD mount to see if it holds first. |
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Posted: 2/6/2018 9:02:45 AM EDT
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buddy of mine has the 510c and an EXPS2......said he had to pick one it would be the Holosun People need to get over this "made in china" bullshit they keep talking about..........these modern optics are getting VERY good for very competitive pricing |
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Posted: 2/9/2018 9:47:33 AM EDT
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I have a 512 and a Holosun 515CU and without a doubt, with all things considered, would take the Holosun all day long for what I use my rifles for. More features, way cleaner/clearer reticle and the price is hard to beat. All of my friends who have used both my 512 and my 515CU prefer the Holosun.
Now if I was being dropped into a war zone, I'd probably take the 512. It's not to say that the Holosun's are prone to breaking. In fact, if you look at torture tests done on youtube, they actually are pretty damn tough. The QD mount that it comes with is definitely the weak link on the Holosun. You can always put a better mount on it though. I have not had any issues with my mine as the 515CU is used on my CZ scorpion carbine and is my "plinking/fun" gun. Not all things made in China are created equal. I've bought plenty of shit made in the USA......unfortunately |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 12:19:14 AM EDT
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I have a 512 and a Holosun 515CU and without a doubt, with all things considered, would take the Holosun all day long for what I use my rifles for. More features, way cleaner/clearer reticle and the price is hard to beat. All of my friends who have used both my 512 and my 515CU prefer the Holosun. Now if I was being dropped into a war zone, I'd probably take the 512. It's not to say that the Holosun's are prone to breaking. In fact, if you look at torture tests done on youtube, they actually are pretty damn tough. The QD mount that it comes with is definitely the weak link on the Holosun. You can always put a better mount on it though. I have not had any issues with my mine as the 515CU is used on my CZ scorpion carbine and is my "plinking/fun" gun. Not all things made in China are created equal. I've bought plenty of shit made in the USA......unfortunately S/F Al |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 11:49:59 AM EDT
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The holosun is yet another cheap ass reflex sight, powered by an LED, not a holographic sight powered by a laser like the eotech. Of course an LED uses less power than a laser diode. Of course there are no “swimming dots”, only laser light in a true holographic projection produces those. If you want big parallax error in a cheap reflex sight, but at the same price as an actual holographic sight, go for the holosun. Eotech 512s were selling for under $300 when their rebate was running last fall. And one thing that simply boggles my mind when I hear people talk about it is the Eotech reticle not being solid. I have no idea how this is an issue for people when I never notice it due to the fact that I'm looking at the TARGET when shooting, NOT the reticle. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 3:18:40 PM EDT
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And one thing that simply boggles my mind when I hear people talk about it is the Eotech reticle not being solid. I have no idea how this is an issue for people when I never notice it due to the fact that I'm looking at the TARGET when shooting, NOT the reticle. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 3:39:53 PM EDT
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Says the guy who probably watches a crystal clear led TV made in China. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Make China great again!!! |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 4:33:00 PM EDT
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I don't think people can wrap their heads around the fact that simple red dots and holos are two totally different technologies. A laser diode consumes much more energy and Eotech sites are not simple; hence why it has been so easy for small Chinese companies to emulate the RD technology and take over the market, but yet Chinese companies making TRUE holo sights are practically non-existent. Tell me, though, other than using two different optical techniques to generate an aiming point, what difference does it make and how are those differences in favor of the holographic sight? If cost, complexity, low power consumption and reliability are all in favor of an LED, perhaps the reason there's no Chinese (or other competitors) in the market is because it does not make economic sense. Please explain. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 4:37:51 PM EDT
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My head is wrapped completely around the idea. :-) Tell me, though, other than using two different optical techniques to generate an aiming point, what difference does it make and how are those differences in favor of the holographic sight? If cost, complexity, low power consumption and reliability are all in favor of an LED, perhaps the reason there's no Chinese (or other competitors) in the market is because it does not make economic sense. Please explain. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't think people can wrap their heads around the fact that simple red dots and holos are two totally different technologies. A laser diode consumes much more energy and Eotech sites are not simple; hence why it has been so easy for small Chinese companies to emulate the RD technology and take over the market, but yet Chinese companies making TRUE holo sights are practically non-existent. Tell me, though, other than using two different optical techniques to generate an aiming point, what difference does it make and how are those differences in favor of the holographic sight? If cost, complexity, low power consumption and reliability are all in favor of an LED, perhaps the reason there's no Chinese (or other competitors) in the market is because it does not make economic sense. Please explain. https://www.greeneyetactical.com/2017/07/27/comparative-study-of-red-dot-sight-parallax/ In other words, the promise of “where the dot is, the bullet goes” only really applies to the eotech, the others are dependent on head, face, and eye position just as much as irons are. |
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Posted: 2/10/2018 5:44:24 PM EDT
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EOTech. I know they have lots of detractors and bad press but they were used to clear many a room in Iraq. The battery life isn’t great, o well. Put a battery in the pistol grip for a backup. I’m not a Holosun hater, I have one on my HD Tavor, and my wife has an EOTech on her AR. I LOVE THE Holosun optics but I definitely prefer EOTech for serious use.
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Posted: 2/11/2018 2:07:04 AM EDT
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The primary advantage of a true holographic sight is ... Why can an LED not be made to behave similarly? If the LED is at the focal point of its projection lens, the red dot will appear to be at infinity and should not "move" more than 0.56 MOA at 100 yards ( = 1/2 * tube diameter / range) with head position (parallax error). I'll have to think some more about this. I will also be checking my EOTechs and Aimpoint to see if they behave as expected. |
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Posted: 2/11/2018 2:09:42 AM EDT
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EOTech. I know they have lots of detractors and bad press but they were used to clear many a room in Iraq. The battery life isn’t great, o well. Put a battery in the pistol grip for a backup. I’m not a Holosun hater,... but I definitely prefer EOTech for serious use. |
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Posted: 2/11/2018 2:38:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The primary advantage of a true holographic sight is that there is less parallax error than with any other style. Aimpoint have the worst parallax of just about anything out there, and eotech the least/best. https://www.greeneyetactical.com/2017/07/27/comparative-study-of-red-dot-sight-parallax/ In other words, the promise of “where the dot is, the bullet goes” only really applies to the eotech, the others are dependent on head, face, and eye position just as much as irons are. 
The only way I know to make a reticle truly "parallax-free" is to place its image in the plane of the target. Then again, I don't know that much. This is done in higher priced telescopic sights when there is no relative motion. It is a process. If the target or the scope moves to a different distance, you will again have parallax errors and need to readjust the optic. I would bet most makers place an image of the LED at infinity (or as far out as they can get within practical limits) and call it good. Parallax errors would then be limited by the optic diameter. When they claim to be "parallax-free", they mean the non-magnifying optics do not add any error above and beyond that caused by the geometry. This is known as "marketing hype". |
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Posted: 2/12/2018 8:57:47 PM EDT
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I have an EOTech 512, EOTech XPS2-2, and Holosun HS510C. The Holosun is a recent purchase and I have limited experience, so far. I still prefer the EOTech to a Holosun sight, but I am very satisfied with the Holosun HS510C. If I had any criticism of the Holosun, it would be that the reticle cannot be adjusted as bright as an EOTech. The Holosun represents a great value, for the money you pay. Will I buy another Holosun? Absolutely. Will I buy another EOTech?Probably, but I 'll have to save up the funds.
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Posted: 2/12/2018 9:59:13 PM EDT
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I have an EOTech 512, EOTech XPS2-2, and Holosun HS510C. The Holosun is a recent purchase and I have limited experience, so far. I still prefer the EOTech to a Holosun sight, but I am very satisfied with the Holosun HS510C. If I had any criticism of the Holosun, it would be that the reticle cannot be adjusted as bright as an EOTech. |
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Posted: 2/16/2018 9:06:29 AM EDT
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The holosun is yet another cheap ass reflex sight, powered by an LED, not a holographic sight powered by a laser like the eotech. Of course an LED uses less power than a laser diode. Of course there are no “swimming dots”, only laser light in a true holographic projection produces those. If you want big parallax error in a cheap reflex sight, but at the same price as an actual holographic sight, go for the holosun. Eotech 512s were selling for under $300 when their rebate was running last fall. I concur with others in here the holosun is superior. I have had a holosun for over a year and owned an eotech for a couple years. I leave the holosun on all the time and it works great. |
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Posted: 2/16/2018 9:45:27 AM EDT
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My Holosun gets way brighter than my 512, even in auto/solar mode.
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