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Posted: 4/18/2020 11:19:51 PM EDT
[#1]
What is your question?
Can you shoot light and fast ammo in your 1 in 7 twist rifle? Yes. |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 11:26:40 PM EDT
[#2]
Yeah, I forget where I seen it but there was a thread on here that shooting ammo that is too fast can somehow be bad. I dont know just wanted to check.
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Posted: 4/18/2020 11:36:29 PM EDT
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That is cookin velocity-wise but a 50gr pill will do that.
Just so we're clear, if you were to use that round against zombies, it would likely explode when it meets zombie tissue/bone and fail to penetrate adequately. Id opt for something heavier with a bonded design or open tip. |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 11:40:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is cookin velocity-wise but a 50gr pill will do that. Just so we're clear, if you were to use that round against zombies, it would likely explode when it meets zombie tissue/bone and fail to penetrate adequately. Id opt for something heavier with a bonded design or open tip. You are awesome hehe. I would love a higher grain but hard to find. I might be paranoid about the lead bit but had lead poisoning once and it sucked ass. TMI, It sucks. |
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Posted: 4/19/2020 12:22:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are awesome hehe. I would love a higher grain but hard to find. I might be paranoid about the lead bit but had lead poisoning once and it sucked ass. TMI, It sucks. |
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Posted: 4/19/2020 12:42:59 AM EDT
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The bullet won't hurt your gun. Lead free ammo can be tough to find for decent prices but it's out there.
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Posted: 4/19/2020 2:16:31 AM EDT
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The V-max is not a lead free bullet, but the lead is fully enclosed, so really no chance of touching it.
I found that the 50gr Fiocchi V-max was one of the most accurate factory loads out of my 1:8 DPMS MK12 barrel; it was consistently around 1MOA. |
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Posted: 4/19/2020 10:14:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The V-max is not a lead free bullet, but the lead is fully enclosed, so really no chance of touching it. I found that the 50gr Fiocchi V-max was one of the most accurate factory loads out of my 1:8 DPMS MK12 barrel; it was consistently around 1MOA. This. I've had great results with the Fiocchi 50V in my 1:8 Rainier barrel. Definitely good for 1MOA with a quality barrel.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/19/2020 1:43:54 PM EDT
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when you are cleaning your gun you are not messing with the lead, you are trying to get the copper fouling out of the barrel from the bullet and any powder residue.
as stated earlier lighter wt bullets still have lead in them. shooting light fast bullets in your twist won't hurt the barrel if you shoot them too fast the lightly constructed bullets may not make it to the target if the twist is too fast. |
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Posted: 4/19/2020 4:46:27 PM EDT
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Thank you everyone for the replies. A lot of mull over and look at more options :).
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Posted: 4/19/2020 5:32:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: when you are cleaning your gun you are not messing with the lead, you are trying to get the copper fouling out of the barrel from the bullet and any powder residue. as stated earlier lighter wt bullets still have lead in them. shooting light fast bullets in your twist won't hurt the barrel if you shoot them too fast the lightly constructed bullets may not make it to the target if the twist is too fast. All that powder fouling is full of lead from the priming compound and possibly from the bullet if it's open. |
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Posted: 4/20/2020 10:29:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All that powder fouling is full of lead from the priming compound and possibly from the bullet if it's open. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: when you are cleaning your gun you are not messing with the lead, you are trying to get the copper fouling out of the barrel from the bullet and any powder residue. as stated earlier lighter wt bullets still have lead in them. shooting light fast bullets in your twist won't hurt the barrel if you shoot them too fast the lightly constructed bullets may not make it to the target if the twist is too fast. All that powder fouling is full of lead from the priming compound and possibly from the bullet if it's open. yes, i was not thinking about the open end of the projectile. but following simple handwashing after all the cleaning is done, you should not have to worry about contamination. |
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Posted: 4/20/2020 7:35:47 PM EDT
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I have a bunch of the Fed ammo using the 50gr V-Max bullet with the grey plastic tip. Shoots great. Some of the most accurate ammo that I bought maybe 10 years ago when PSA was dumping it for $5.99 per box or something like that. Gave me numerous sub MOA groups. All I shot it in is 1X7 twist with great results.
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Posted: 4/21/2020 6:13:22 AM EDT
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Lead in the bullets is a 100% non issue, especially on bullets that are copper jacketed and closed on the base.
The VAST majority of lead poisoning is from the PRIMER, not the bullet. If you use regular primers and copper bullets you will still have almost all the lead contamination of regular ammo because solid lead is not a big deal. The lead compounds from the primer ARE. The only thing you really should care about is avoiding lead styphanate primers. And yes, being concerned with just cleaning your rifle that shot standard ammo around your family is moronic and laughable. SHOOTING lead styphanate primed rounds around your family or possibly using a vibratory tumbler indoors could be a concern, but unless you are feeding your family your used cleaning patches or cleaning your rifle on the family cutting board, they are not at ANY risk from you cleaning your AR that shot standard ammo. And please dont zero a red dot at 100 yards... zero at 50 yards. |
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Posted: 4/27/2020 12:50:42 PM EDT
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That is smoking fast out of a 16" barrel and may or may not shoot well as far as groupings but if you are questioning if bullet weight will damage your barrel, put simply no. Ive shot handloaded 45 gr Hornet bullets out of a colt 20" 1:7 with fairly good results. Are the lighter bullets ideal for 1:7? No. Will it hurt anything? Not in of itself.
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Posted: 4/27/2020 1:24:59 PM EDT
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Fast lightweight bullets can spin apart.
But, that is usually with thinner jacket material... and crisp , sharp fast twist lands in a new barrel. And older .224 varmint bullets, designed for slower 1n14 twist rates ( .223 and .22/ 250 ) did come apart frequently ..... until a thicker jacket was used to make up for the faster rotational speeds. Modern, current .224 varmint bullets are designed to handle the faster twist rates and rotational speeds. ( still some sharp lands can produce issues ) Both photos from the internet... and are new enough that it can still happen.   My late '80s 20" 1n7 Colt HBAR, using the 22LR conversion kit, would shred 22LR bullets of that era, creating a visual "poof" of disintegrating bullet , 15 feet from the muzzle.. you could stand to the side and watch it. Since then, the lead used is "better" suited to fast twists and those sharp lands. |
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Posted: 4/27/2020 5:16:11 PM EDT
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OP, 35 grn bullets out of a 20" 1:7" twist bbl will explode before they hit the target b/c they're spinning so fast, but it won't hurt the bbl any. 50 grains will work fine. If you handload, you can go to lead free primers as well.
How did you get lead poisoning and how did they cure you? Shake you upside down till all the lead fell out? 
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Posted: 4/27/2020 5:30:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, 35 grn bullets out of a 20" 1:7" twist bbl will explode before they hit the target b/c they're spinning so fast, but it won't hurt the bbl any. 50 grains will work fine. If you handload, you can go to lead free primers as well. How did you get lead poisoning and how did they cure you? Shake you upside down till all the lead fell out? No, not necessarily. I've shot 55grain Hornady SX bullets that immediately spun apart. I've shot STOUT 31 grain bullets just fine...… It's the construction of the bullet that matters...... |
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Posted: 4/27/2020 5:49:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: No, not necessarily. I've shot 55grain Hornady SX bullets that immediately spun apart. I've shot STOUT 31 grain bullets just fine...… It's the construction of the bullet that matters...... True, that and the rotational velocity. I'd love to sling some hot 31 grn from my daughter's 1:9" 27". |
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Posted: 4/27/2020 10:33:37 PM EDT
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Did the OP chrony the load or is the data the manufacturers? 3300 fps from a 16 inch barrel sounds pretty fast, even with a 50 grain projectile.
Paladin ETA: factory Win 45 JHP's went 3379 from my 20 inch 1/7 Colt HBAR. Published spec for the load is 3600 fps. |
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Posted: 4/28/2020 12:19:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did the OP chrony the load or is the data the manufacturers? 3300 fps from a 16 inch barrel sounds pretty fast, even with a 50 grain projectile. Paladin ETA: factory Win 45 JHP's went 3379 from my 20 inch 1/7 Colt HBAR. Not the OP but those look to be factory specs, not anything the OP chrono'd. This is a theoretical conversation...... |
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Posted: 4/28/2020 11:10:24 PM EDT
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Not sure what you plan to specifically use the ammo for, but 50gr V-MAX is complete garbage when fired into a human being. It fails all FBI BRF testing protocols. It’s a varmint round made for killing 3lb rodents and punching holes in paper. Use accordingly.
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Posted: 5/1/2020 5:44:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UnaStamus: Not sure what you plan to specifically use the ammo for, but 50gr V-MAX is complete garbage when fired into a human being. It fails all FBI BRF testing protocols. It’s a varmint round made for killing 3lb rodents and punching holes in paper. Use accordingly. Yup, we were aware of that. Everyone knows to heavier grains for defense. Was going to be used for zeroing and paper. |
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Posted: 5/1/2020 9:03:37 PM EDT
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Your zero is for a specific load only. Change the load, rezero.
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Posted: 5/1/2020 11:32:29 PM EDT
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With FMJ centerfire ammo you really don't have any lead issues to worry about, especially if shooting out doors.
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Posted: 5/2/2020 12:11:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eye-gor: With FMJ centerfire ammo you really don't have any lead issues to worry about, especially if shooting out doors. TMJ or lead-free ammo. FMJ has an exposed lead core that allows some lead to evaporate, coating the inside of the bbl, muzzle device, and any area forward of the muzzle. |
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Posted: 5/2/2020 1:48:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, we were aware of that. Everyone knows to heavier grains for defense. Was going to be used for zeroing and paper. Example: 77gr POI is several inches away from my 62gr plining load. I zero for 77gr and it either doesn't matter within 50 yards, or I just deal with it if I'm using plinking ammo at longer range (in which case it's probably not accurate enough to matter anyways). Just a thought. ETA I'm not sure what you plan to use for HD but a lot of the bonded soft points aren't ultra accurate to begin with. In that case, you could probably just zero with a 55 or 62gr plinking load and carry on. The above is more germane to heavy OTMs. |
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Posted: 5/2/2020 2:31:39 AM EDT
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Good point, I found 55 grain ammo and plan to HD with 62 Grain, been looking at the MOD 1 a lot.
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Posted: 5/2/2020 1:03:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good point, I found 55 grain ammo and plan to HD with 62 Grain, been looking at the MOD 1 a lot. A seller in the EE has some for sale I think. No affiliation with him but he's GTG, I've bought brass from him in the past. |
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Posted: 5/2/2020 5:52:02 PM EDT
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OP:
Between this and the other thread you started: Lead contamination: -if you are shooting in your house for SD, you have larger problems than the lead from the few shots you will make. -if you are concerned about lead contamination in the house from cleaning firearms.... don't clean them in the house: do it outside, in the garage or at the range. (Me personally wouldn't worry about it as long as you get rid of the rags and patches properly). The 2 main sources of lead from a fired gun are the exposed lead base of the bullet and the primer. Yes you can shoot bullets that don't have an exposed base, are lead free or are TMJ but only lead free primers will eliminate that part of it.... So if you really want to eliminate all lead exposure.... you need lead free primers too..... PS: Depending on your zero-shooting distances..... your zero's between practice and the HD ammo could very well be off quite a bit..... |
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Posted: 5/5/2020 12:51:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGH456E: No, not necessarily. I've shot 55grain Hornady SX bullets that immediately spun apart. I've shot STOUT 31 grain bullets just fine...… It's the construction of the bullet that matters...... Dad used to shoot woodchucks with a Sako 222. It was 1in14. He was using Hornady 50gn SX bullets in it to great effect. He gave some to his pal who loaded some up for his 220 Swift. I was at the range when they tried the loads. The gun went baBoom. There was a clear double report. Nothing reached the target. The bullet came completely apart about 3 feet from the muzzle. He aimed it at a dandelion 3 feet away and the plant disappeared! One of the coolest things I have ever seen. The much higher velocity of the Swift was too much RPM. But the sound! The Swift was much louder than the 222 normally but that day it sounded so strange. Good times. |
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Posted: 5/8/2020 11:54:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JcrawArmyVet: Yeah, I forget where I seen it but there was a thread on here that shooting ammo that is too fast can somehow be bad. I dont know just wanted to check. I once pushed light varmint bullets out of a 1-7 twist barrel at a ridiculous (and probably dangerous) speed. Projectile came apart not too far downrange. |
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