Hi guys, I've recently purchased a black DD RIS II 12.25"  from Charlie's Custom Clones. I was trying to make sure it's an authentic one, and I find out a detail that worries me a little. On the bottom of the original RIS II, there is supposed to be a line that mine does not have.
Here's a picture of my RIS II compared to a picture I've found online. Can anyone tell me if mine is ok, or if it's a fake ??  Thanks

I have the short  DD FDE RIS II still in the plastic and I don't see that line in it through the clear plastic.

It doesn't have it.

@Simo506

There was a thread here a few days ago on Charlies Customs....was that you?  

Call DD on Monday, ask if you can send a picture to them, they have excellent CS....that will settle it.  Also ask if Charlies is on their vendor list or if they have any feedback on them

Also post this picture and question in the DD Industry forum, I think their one rep @JoeMarler replies to questions

Bronc

What you're seeing in the online photo is just a minor machining imperfection; not remotely something seen on all RIS IIs. None of mine have it.

Unless there is some other indication of a fake product, that alone means nothing.

OP'S OTHER THREAD

No advise on the rail but there was a lot of good advise given in the thread Tig posted.

Thanks for your answer! Does your RIS IIs has this type of thread inside the bottom part of the rail ??

The problem is the FDE rail is for a FSB while the other is for the low profile gas block. So it's hard to say they would have the same appearance/design.

The black one won't have the same markings as the FDE because the military does not buy them. I have a black Mk18 rail and it does not have the NSN number on it like the FDE one does.

However, based on your pictures the black one may be an airsoft clone. It is difficult to tell but it does appear to be a replica. I'd have to see more pictures of the markings and bolt up kit that you got with it. Also it should "feel" wrong. There's no way they can replicate the metal and the feel of it. Do they both feel like the real thing?

DD has a counterfeit process to help you out. Check out their page: https://danieldefense.com/counterfeit-information

Take this for what it’s worth.  I saw a post where it said legit DD rail, the threaded inserts will be a pinkish/purple color, yours appear to be silver.

Best bet at this point is to contact DD.

Looks like the EMG DD RIS II airsoft rail, but I can't be sure without it in my hands. I would hope someone didn't buy a bunch of near clone airsoft rails for $80 and then turn around and sell them as the real thing for $$$.

Post in the DD Industry Forum here.

And hope that you don't own a $700 turd.

Wow, I didn't know the counterfeit market was hot for low value items like stocks and mounts, but apparently it's the case.
Hoping your piece is authentic.

So in the other thread everyone said Charlie’s was shit?

SOMEONE even posted a link to a great vendor with the product in stock, brand new, for cheaper than Charlie’s, and OP still bought it from Charlie’s???

OP evidently paid $700 for the rail. If it's a fake, it probably only cost a few bucks to mfg.

Here is a zip file containing a lot of pictures of my RIS II.  I would really appreciate if anyone could help me figure out if it is authentic or fake..

https://we.tl/t-H19ZbYsfnR

Sums it up.

DD INDUSTRY FORUM

Marler can tell you without a doubt.

ETA: DD COUNTERFEIT INFO

M4A1 RISIIs have changed slightly over the years. I have 3 of them (black) and two are older models that are slightly different than my newer one. All 3 of mine have the line you're asking about though. I wouldn't say for sure that the missing line means it's fake though, it may just be a version I don't have? Does your rail have Helicoil inserts where the bottom rail screws into the top rail? All of mine have Helicoils with a red tint to them. I doubt a fake rail would have Helicoils? If it's missing the Helicoils, it's probably fake.
Edit= I just noticed your rail does have Helicoils. I'd guess it's real unless someone put a lot of effort into making a fake rail exactly like the original? Your Helicoils don't have a red tint like mine but maybe the color has worn off, or maybe DD used different coils at some point?

Why would it necessarily “feel wrong”?  DD’s aren’t made out of unicorn ivory. They’re 6061 aluminum (the most common aluminum used on the planet) And then anodized (the most common aluminum finishing process) with thread inserts (common cheatp parts many of which are likely also made in China).

Unless they changed thicknesses to make it even easier to mfg, the only tangible difference is going to be manufacturing tolerances which you would need calipers to discern and DD’s inspection/mfg drawings to compare.

It could feel 100% right and still be a fake

Smells like a shill for CCC to me.  Why would you buy the more expensive one if there was a question about their authenticity in the first place?  It makes no sense, especially when the cheaper options are from vendors that are about as G2G as it gets.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  CCC is shit.

You're not alone.

And $700. WTF?

Counterfeits usually get the appearance right. Never the function or "feel" to the original product.

The goal of counterfeit is to pass it off as a real thing. It usually fails with real usage. If it was constructed to the same specs as the original product, it wouldn't be a "counterfeit" but rather an alternative, cheaper product that they could make quite big bucks for. You would never be able to torque or twist it like the real one.

The only counterfeit product I ever gotten was a Surefire X300U light. I had a couple of real ones but when I got the fake Surefire I knew right away something was off about it just from picking it up and having it in my hands. It has similar contours and markings and even packaging, but the product simply could not replicate the internal electronics or get the logos quite right.



Thank you for sharing so many pictures.

Upon looking at it, your rail appears authentic to me.

A few things I notice that are present in all DD rails, but don't seem to be on fake ones:

1) Two notches on the top rail near the front. Every DD rail seems to have these two notches in the front as if it was clamped on some tool at the factory. Some people mistaken it for a defect.

2) The top rail section, where the top two set screw goes in generally have the threads going past the rail a little.

3) The set screws have the chalk-like locking thread compounds on them which you generally won't see on fake ones because the compound cost quite a lot of money and comes in jugs. I've seen people use the ceramic tan paint that you can buy at an arts and craft store to pass it off as real.

4) The barrel nut appears to be of the old design. I have one from about 7 years ago that has a similar barrel nut. The newer barrel nut seems a bit smaller than that and not black.

Overall I'm about 85% positive this is real. The concerning items are the bottom rail piece and the way it fits into the bottom. However, according to CCC this is a "rare" black version of the rail. I don't think I ever seen a black full length rail in a while so they may have constructed it differently.

BINGO!

Thank you so much! I hope you're right and that it's real. I also wrote a message to @Marler5811, asking for his opinion about it.

Is anyone actually going through the trouble to counterfeit  DD rails now?

I have a black full length rail that if you tell me what pictures to take for comparison sake, I’ll be happy to do. It’s old as dirt. Like 2011? 2012?

The op posted a link to a zip file that has all the pictures. It’s a huge 300mb download but he/she taken quite a lot of pictures.

Alright best of luck. I’m pretty sure CCC wouldn’t sell known fakes but who knows.

I do notice this rail is a niche product and it sounds like you just wanted to order any ris rail that you can find. You got a rail where it’s a niche product of a rare variant so it may not be the same as anything else out there. But all the signs of a legit rail is there.

For a 400 dollar rail straight from dd

If you could share some photos of your RIS II that would be great!

I think these are the main parts to compare :

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Topic Moved

Yesterday I send him a PM. At the moment, he hasn't yet answered me. Let's wait and see..

And a black RIS II at that?

I get doing a small run of fake Mk18 FSPs or the GL-SSC or whatever that one was. Those are unicorns that could bring serious money if released slowly into the market.