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Posted: 12/28/2020 2:41:49 PM EST
I have used Botach for over a decade and never had a problem until now.

Order paid for November 17th and shipping label created at that time. Magazine's were listed in stock (by the thousands). The order has not shipped yet, magazines are now listed as out-of-stock and they aren't accepting telephone calls unless you are a law enforcement order.

They have emailed me twice asking me to "review" my recent purchase. Three emails and they insured me my order would be bumped to the head of the line........

I disregarded other people's criticisms of Botach because my experience had been favorable up till now. Do yourself a favor, avoid buying anything from them if you can find it anywhere else. It's annoying when you have to deal with incompetence, deceit or just plain unprofessionalism. Using COVID-19 as an excuse doesn't cut it either.
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 2:48:03 PM EST
I'm like you OP. I got lured in with a couple good transactions.


Then they violated me.
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 3:56:31 PM EST
So do a charge back on the card and move on.

I'm not a Botach pimp, but if in 2020 you can't manage a simple credit card charge back without drama, you probably don't need a gun or magazines.
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 4:25:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By borderpatrol:
I have used Botach for over a decade and never had a problem until now.

Order paid for November 17th and shipping label created at that time. Magazine's were listed in stock (by the thousands). The order has not shipped yet, magazines are now listed as out-of-stock and they aren't accepting telephone calls unless you are a law enforcement order.

They have emailed me twice asking me to "review" my recent purchase. Three emails and they insured me my order would be bumped to the head of the line........

I disregarded other people's criticisms of Botach because my experience had been favorable up till now. Do yourself a favor, avoid buying anything from them if you can find it anywhere else. It's annoying when you have to deal with incompetence, deceit or just plain unprofessionalism. Using COVID-19 as an excuse doesn't cut it either.
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We've all been there...  
Sooner or later, you'll get Botach'ed...

Link Posted: 12/28/2020 7:09:07 PM EST
I ordered some mags from them last year. The entire order did arrive, eventually. The prices were good, but it seems to be a roll of the dice ordering from them. I haven't placed any orders since.
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 7:27:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/31/2020 10:27:06 PM EST by Strikefirst]
Could be usps. I just had 2 pre shipment packages delivered today.

I have never had an issue with botach.
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 9:22:52 PM EST
I've avoided them due to the stories I've hear, but this fall & winter they were one of the few to have some things in stock I was looking for gave it a shot & now have had 3-4 good transactions.  They've been a bit slow on shipping, but that seems more the norm now days.  Maybe I'd better quit while I'm ahead then.
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 10:45:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/28/2020 10:46:06 PM EST by 3ACR_Scout]
I'm sure I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but I stopped ordering from Botach when they quit offering free shipping and started charging sales tax. Despite the stories, it was worth the risk for the good deals, and the couple orders I placed were a little slow but turned out fine. Now with tax and what I considered to be fairly pricey shipping added on, there are plenty of other places that have comparable prices and better customer service without the risk.
Link Posted: 12/29/2020 8:29:24 AM EST
They are so retarded that they turned off their phones. Some of their staff are using their personal cell phones to contact customers. How do I know this, well I got a voicemail with a request for me to call them back at a number, so I did. Got a voicemail greeting that said "Hi this is ....", not an actual business voicemail greeting, someone's personal phone greeting. Eventually got in touch with them and talked to a person, and they confirmed it was legit and they are using their personal phones sometimes.

So the fuckers are screwing their customers as well as some of their employees.  

Took forever for them to ship in-stock items. Ordered an ACH and it took three months or a little more to get it.

B
Link Posted: 12/29/2020 8:36:11 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/29/2020 8:46:43 AM EST
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Getting ready to change into someone more comfortable. Name changes coming.
Link Posted: 12/29/2020 8:53:12 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/29/2020 8:54:59 AM EST by Balista]
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Originally Posted By ScoutH57:
I'm like you OP. I got lured in with a couple good transactions.


Then they violated me.
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These Botach threads remind that so many members here were not around for the other thousands of fuckings Botach gave customers.

If you buy from Botach you are a fool. You have been warned repeatedly over the years.

Link Posted: 12/29/2020 9:22:55 AM EST
I still roll the dice from time to time with them, but absolutely will not use optics planet.
Link Posted: 12/29/2020 9:39:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/29/2020 9:39:59 AM EST by wildearp]
Botach
Ebay
Paypal

arfcom never learns

Why do you keep hitting that concrete wall with your head?  Because it feels so good when I stop.
Link Posted: 12/29/2020 11:48:10 AM EST
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Originally Posted By wildearp:
Botach
Ebay
Paypal

ar­fcom never learns

Why do you keep hitting that concrete wall with your head?  Because it feels so good when I stop.
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Because I've gotten some absolutely screaming deals, like 5 pairs of Merrell MOABS for under $200. I've had my share of issues with them, but sometimes you can really score
Link Posted: 12/29/2020 12:09:22 PM EST
Haven't had issues with them in a very long time.
Link Posted: 12/29/2020 2:21:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By tooly:
Haven't had issues with them in a very long time.
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Because you are the OG of lucky bastards tooly.
Link Posted: 12/29/2020 8:16:40 PM EST
I ordered a bunch of Surefeed E2’s on 12/6 (black & FDE), delivered UPS SurePost on 12/16

[shrug]
Link Posted: 12/29/2020 9:19:06 PM EST
They have some good prices on mags. The ETS and E2 prices are about as good as you're going to find anywhere. The only problem is if you roll snake eyes on your order...
Link Posted: 12/29/2020 9:48:41 PM EST
I bought my PWS mk111 upper from botach. In stock at a good price at the time. No issue. Ive read enough to only try them when I'm desparate. I do still use optics planet. Still no issues when I make sure items show in stock, but I have a friend who got screwed on a shipment from them.
Link Posted: 12/29/2020 10:28:45 PM EST
Buying from Botach is like playing at the casino.....do it enough times, you WILL lose.

I've had exactly 3 great ordering experiences with them.  And quit while I'm ahead.  Maybe.

Like the casino.....
Link Posted: 12/30/2020 2:01:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:

Because you are the OG of lucky bastards tooly.
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@Tigwelder1971
I knew you was gonna be in here giving me hell!
Link Posted: 12/30/2020 2:04:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By tooly:

@Tigwelder1971
I knew you was gonna be in here giving me hell!
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Originally Posted By tooly:
Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:

Because you are the OG of lucky bastards tooly.

@Tigwelder1971
I knew you was gonna be in here giving me hell!

@tooly

Had to man.  See what all that showboating gets you!?  

Link Posted: 12/30/2020 3:04:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JoeDevola:
Buying from Botach is like playing at the casino.....do it enough times, you WILL lose.

I've had exactly 3 great ordering experiences with them.  And quit while I'm ahead.  Maybe.

Like the casino.....
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Yup it's a gamble but you can't even figure your own odds, it's a casino with only one game, it's a roulette wheel and surprise surprise the dealer makes all the bets for you.
Link Posted: 12/31/2020 6:56:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/2/2021 10:42:14 PM EST by 77Bronc]
I think of all of the dealer bitch threads I have seen in the many years, Botach has to be the leader....

I never had nor will I buy from them based on what I have seen here



Link Posted: 1/3/2021 8:58:35 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:

@tooly

Had to man.  See what all that showboating gets you!?  

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Haha.
Link Posted: 1/23/2021 3:47:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 77Bronc:
I think of all of the dealer bitch threads I have seen in the many years, Botach has to be the leader....

I never had nor will I buy from them based on what I have seen here



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Meh.

I've bought several times from them. Usually arrives within 7-10 days.

Just bought several Beretta mags and a few glock mags just before the Biden took over. They showed up Thursday.

Like all things in life, YMMV.
Link Posted: 1/24/2021 5:04:20 PM EST
UPDATE:

My magazines arrived Friday without any tracking emails. Surprised to find them on the porch when I got home. A little over 2 months from payment date to delivery date.

At least they did show up......
Link Posted: 1/24/2021 7:15:18 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RobertM:
I still roll the dice from time to time with them, but absolutely will not use optics planet.
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I've never ordered from Botach, but I won't order from Optics Planet again either.  The first two times I did it was OK, then things that were supposedly in stock weren't and they kept delaying orders over and over again, etc.  Like months.  When I finally cancelled one order the next day the item was supposedly in stock, but for $10 more than when I'd ordered it.

It just isn't worth the trouble.
Link Posted: 1/30/2021 2:16:04 PM EST
Old school arfcommie here.  Botach hasn’t changed.  I had 5-6 good orders +10 years ago and then one went off the rails.   Had to fight them to sort it out.  Haven’t bought from them since.
Link Posted: 2/3/2021 4:29:01 PM EST
Link Posted: 2/6/2021 3:38:33 PM EST
I’ve had mostly good experiences with them but they have got me a couple times. Sometimes on some items I get the feeling they sell seconds.
Link Posted: 2/6/2021 11:45:37 PM EST
I  ordered from Botach twice so far. I wanted some gun mufflers from them and they showed in stock. I waited a few weeks and they eventually canceled my gun muffler order. I got a pair from a different company. I did order a few of the Okay Surefeed E2 magazines and they only had the gray ones which was fine by me. It shipped in a few days and got a it a few days later. I used UPS instead of the USPS so it cost a bit more but I got them. Most of places I was looking for E2 magazines were out stock.
Link Posted: 2/7/2021 2:30:22 PM EST
Remember when Botach had their own forum here? Ask why they don't anymore.
Link Posted: 2/20/2021 11:41:50 AM EST
I have ordered from them countless times and never an issue. Last order was for an EOTech EXPS2-0 in April 2020. Shipped within a few days and received without an issue.

They were my go-to for Okay Surefeed for the longest time. I stopped buying those after 100 or so magazines because I have enough. Every shipment received without an issue. Usually either their 6 pack or I would order 10 at a time. Never an issue.
Link Posted: 2/22/2021 1:31:47 PM EST
Are these one of the last companies that make full-cap springs to convert 10rd magazines?
Link Posted: 3/4/2021 5:32:20 PM EST
Friends don't let friends Botach.
Link Posted: 3/4/2021 8:32:07 PM EST
Link Posted: 3/4/2021 8:51:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bfoosh06:
If anyone looked up the Owner..  Including some relatives.....they might think twice about some of the info out there.

This thread just made me look up who the owner is... which led to some interesting relatives, and some of those relatives fraudulent dealings with the US Gov.

Can anyone confirm the info out there is true ?  If so... not a chance in heck, that I will be ordering from them.

Remember the movie "War Dogs" ?
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I'd say that family tree throws some serious shade.
Link Posted: 3/4/2021 11:22:10 PM EST
I've ordered from them once, for a relatively rare item at a good price, and had no issues. I'm not sure I'll risk it again. Ordering from Botach seems to be akin to having unprotected sex: most of the time it's fine, until that one time it isn't.
Link Posted: Yesterday 5:38:12 AM EST
Ordered from them three times between 2002 and 2013. First order was flawless, second order was delayed a week due to “processing error” and the third was canceled after three weeks of bullshit excuses and lies.

NEVER AGAIN!
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