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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:46:25 PM EST
Going to upgrade my milspec trigger in an AR.   Was looking at a few today.   The Sons of Liberty Fighting Trigger was one a local shop had in stock.   Looking in the 4.5-5.5 pound range.  

Not looking to drop a shitload in this as if its nice I'll probably get a couple.

Any sweet options I should look at?
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 9:50:20 PM EST
In before 900 LaRue MBT recommendations.

Mine recommendation? LaRue MBT.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 9:51:23 PM EST
I read good things about the centurion (ast) trigger $93.50
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 9:52:09 PM EST
ALG ACT, 5.5lbs.

Great triggers IME.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 9:52:47 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 9:55:21 PM EST
Anybody mention LaRue yet?
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 9:58:26 PM EST
I'm sure a lot of people would recommend a LaRue MBT but I will differ and recommend a LaRue MBT.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 9:58:43 PM EST
Ummm... MBT-2S

(I have 5)
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 9:59:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
ALG ACT, 5.5lbs.

Great triggers IME.
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I love the ACT. For a combat trigger, this is where it’s at
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 10:09:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
ALG ACT, 5.5lbs.

Great triggers IME.
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+1. I have 3 of them.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 10:20:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/16/2021 10:20:59 PM EST by DvlDog]
The Larue single stage trigger is the best duty/carry trigger. I couldnt not believe how good it was until I got one. I was in the middle of replacing all my various NiB triggers (ALG, Spikes, PSA) with MBT-1’s and now they are unavailable.

Sad
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 10:20:47 PM EST
Got 3 MBTs and they are great for under $100.  Got my first Geissele for Christmas. Gosh damn that thing is nice.  Worth $50-$100 more? I would have said no in December.   Now I think it could very well be.  Crazy nice. Good luck op
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 11:09:09 PM EST
How long is the MBT backorder??
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 11:14:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/16/2021 11:15:18 PM EST by Tigwelder1971]
Originally Posted By DoctorLove:


I love the ACT. For a combat trigger, this is where it’s at
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Originally Posted By Hydra-shokz:


+1. I have 3 of them.
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Same, I have them in a couple of guns myself.




Link Posted: 1/16/2021 11:27:55 PM EST
FPNI as always
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 11:46:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
ALG ACT, 5.5lbs.

Great triggers IME.
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Came to post this
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 11:52:50 PM EST
Hyperfire sharp shooter -- lightweight option
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 12:49:05 AM EST
ALG ACT when they go on sale.  Never paid over $50 for them.

I also really like the BCM triggers.


Yeah I also enjoy my Larue.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 12:56:14 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
ALG ACT, 5.5lbs.

Great triggers IME.
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Absolutely!
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 3:43:39 AM EST
I have BCM, ALG and SOLGW and SOLGW is my favorite one but want to try centurion.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 3:48:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/17/2021 3:50:10 AM EST by bosundave]
Originally Posted By bigern314:
Going to upgrade my milspec trigger in an AR.   Was looking at a few today.   The Sons of Liberty Fighting Trigger was one a local shop had in stock.   Looking in the 4.5-5.5 pound range.  

Not looking to drop a shitload in this as if its nice I'll probably get a couple.

Any sweet options I should look at?
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I have been building for 11 years. Recently I cant find my fave CMC 3.5lb straight bow trigger for $99 anymore.
I MUST have a straight trigger. I was amazed at the results of mating a Bullmoose Tactical trigger with an ALG Combat hammer. Lighter Nic Taylor springs too.  Never had a light strike.
NO TAKE UP! About 1mm of creep. Short, loud reset. BETTER than the ALG Combat curved trigger! Much better IMO.
Total cost was about $50 plus the hammer.
Prolly get good results with a polished Mil Spec hammer.

http://bullmoosetactical.com/BMT-AR-Skeletonized-Trigger_p_66.html
https://www.taylor-tactical-supply.com/ar-skeletonized-trigger-p/ar-bm-trigger.htm
http://nictaylor00.blogspot.com/2019/05/ar15-ar10-flat-match-quality-trigger.html
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 7:09:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/17/2021 7:10:57 AM EST by 77Bronc]
I think I read somewhere there is a company in Texas, possibly Larue Tactical that is selling triggers now.....I have not heard much about them, but they may be a good option

The ALG ACT like Tig mentioned is a good option, I removed a Larue 1S and installed an ACT in its place and like it better

Good luck finding a Centurion trigger now, I have been looking for what seems months for one.

Link Posted: 1/17/2021 7:16:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/17/2021 7:36:55 AM EST by Blain]
The LaRue single stage trigger was very nice, but is no longer available.  Personally though, I believe the Hyperfire Designated Marksman trigger is even better.  The trigger flattens out at the bottom giving you two different finger points you can use for two different trigger pulls.  If you pull it in the middle curved portion you get a very nice traditional feel with ~ a 5 pound pull.  If you put your finger on the bottom flat portion of the trigger you get a super light 3.5 pound pull for precision shots

https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Hiperfire-AR15-AR10-Hipertouch-EDT-Designated-Mark-p/hf-edtdm.htm


Link Posted: 1/17/2021 8:59:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/17/2021 9:27:50 AM EST by BrewTuna]
4 to 6 weeks BO on MBT curved.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 9:08:49 AM EST
MBT is overrated.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 9:14:49 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Nate19:
In before 900 LaRue MBT recommendations.

Mine recommendation? LaRue MBT.
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This...but "Back Order" status.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 9:16:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Spacejunk:
How long is the MBT backorder??
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Ha! Great question and it just reminded me that I had one on order. Totally forgot about it since it was in early December!
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 9:33:19 AM EST
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Originally Posted By BillyJack:


Ha! Great question and it just reminded me that I had one on order. Totally forgot about it since it was in early December!
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Originally Posted By BillyJack:
Originally Posted By Spacejunk:
How long is the MBT backorder??


Ha! Great question and it just reminded me that I had one on order. Totally forgot about it since it was in early December!


I ordered a MBT-2S Straight Bow back on Dec 9th and it shipped out via UPS two days ago (Friday).
Log in and check your status.

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Link Posted: 1/17/2021 9:34:45 AM EST
BCM, ALG, SOLGW, etc are all just using the Schmidt Tool trigger. They may be applying the coating in house, not sure on that but the markings on the trigger are obvious. Schmidt is obviously great quality, but I'd say that these polished/coated mil spec triggers are not nearly as transformative as a nice 2 stage. They are definitely a step up from a standard mil spec trigger, but if you are shooting groups I definitely find that benefit from a two stage. Brownells sells the Schmidt Tool triggers with nickel teflon coating for $40, and RTB has them as well. They are a good option but I wouldn't pay over $50 for one.

I have an MBT and it is excellent, highly recommend it. Only shot it with the light spring so far but may try out the heavier one for a more positive reset.

Schmidt tool also makes a two stage that other companies rebrand including aero, KAK, centurion, etc. Apparently there are some slight differences between the rebrands, but it's no obvious what. I'd be interested in trying them out.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 9:41:02 AM EST
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Originally Posted By bosundave:


I have been building for 11 years. Recently I cant find my fave CMC 3.5lb straight bow trigger for $99 anymore.
I MUST have a straight trigger. I was amazed at the results of mating a Bullmoose Tactical trigger with an ALG Combat hammer. Lighter Nic Taylor springs too.  Never had a light strike.
NO TAKE UP! About 1mm of creep. Short, loud reset. BETTER than the ALG Combat curved trigger! Much better IMO.
Total cost was about $50 plus the hammer.
Prolly get good results with a polished Mil Spec hammer.

http://bullmoosetactical.com/BMT-AR-Skeletonized-Trigger_p_66.html
https://www.taylor-tactical-supply.com/ar-skeletonized-trigger-p/ar-bm-trigger.htm
http://nictaylor00.blogspot.com/2019/05/ar15-ar10-flat-match-quality-trigger.html
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I’ve been doing this setup for awhile.

BMT flat trigger, Nic Taylor light springs, Nic Taylor take up grip screw and then i bob the factory hammer. If you don’t bob the hammer, you can get light primer strikes because the hammer spring doesn’t have enough ooomph to push the hammer fast enough. If you don’t want to get out a dremel and cut the big hook off the hammer, just buy an Anderson factory stainless hammer, it works as well since it’s already factory bobbed. Less spring weight needs a lighter hammer.

When I do that combo, i get a 4 to 4.2 pound trigger pull and never have a problem with primers igniting. The only Ammo I use is brass so I cannot promise wolf steel case will work.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 10:36:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/17/2021 10:36:49 AM EST by DoctorLove]
People on here throw around the word combat here like the military like to throw around the term tactical.

A trigger isn’t a combat trigger unless it is used in combat. There are a lot of good triggers that are reliable and won’t let you down. That is what you want in your rifle
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 10:49:23 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DoctorLove:
People on here throw around the word combat here like the military like to throw around the term tactical.

A trigger isn’t a combat trigger unless it is used in combat. There are a lot of good triggers that are reliable and won’t let you down. That is what you want in your rifle
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I disagree, I think the term combat or service trigger makes an important distinction.   For instance, some triggers with light hammers and or springs give a light hammer stroke which may be problematic for some hard primered military ammo, or some com block ammo.  More important than the feel of the trigger is the reliability, IMHO.  That's why I don't like lighter hammers or hammer springs, I want a hammer force that is significant enough to still ignite hard primers under adverse conditions (heavy fouling, extreme cold, etc).

Furthermore, a trigger pull that is too light can be inadvertently fired under stressful conditions (combat) and is not optimal for combat.  Therefore I don't like a trigger pull that is too light on a combat gun (lighter than say 5lbs).  This is why Wilson offers a "mil" version of their TTU trigger that has a slightly heavier pull.

The Hyperfire Designated Marksman trigger checks all the boxes.  Hard hammer strikes, great pull of around 5 lbs with green spring (which hits harder than a mil spec spring), and still gives you the option of a lighter pull IF you want it with the bottom flat portion of the trigger.

Also, the trigger has almost zero creep, even LaRues single stage has noticeable creep (more than I would like).
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 11:12:49 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
ALG ACT, 5.5lbs.

Great triggers IME.
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This.....
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 11:16:17 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Blain:


I disagree, I think the term combat or service trigger makes an important distinction.   For instance, some triggers with light hammers and or springs give a light hammer stroke which may be problematic for some hard primered military ammo, or some com block ammo.  More important than the feel of the trigger is the reliability, IMHO.  That's why I don't like lighter hammers or hammer springs, I want a hammer force that is significant enough to still ignite hard primers under adverse conditions (heavy fouling, extreme cold, etc).

Furthermore, a trigger pull that is too light can be inadvertently fired under stressful conditions (combat) and is not optimal for combat.  Therefore I don't like a trigger pull that is too light on a combat gun (lighter than say 5lbs).  This is why Wilson offers a "mil" version of their TTU trigger that has a slightly heavier pull.

The Hyperfire Designated Marksman trigger checks all the boxes.  Hard hammer strikes, great pull of around 5 lbs with green spring (which hits harder than a mil spec spring), and still gives you the option of a lighter pull IF you want it with the bottom flat portion of the trigger.

Also, the trigger has almost zero creep, even LaRues single stage has noticeable creep (more than I would like).
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I have been in combat. You can’t just put the term combat in front of something and now it is combined in a certain group. I have seen AKs held together with duct tape in combat. You can justify it in your head however you want
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 11:27:45 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DoctorLove:



I have been in combat. You can’t just put the term combat in front of something and now it is combined in a certain group. I have seen AKs held together with duct tape in combat. You can justify it in your head however you want
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Originally Posted By DoctorLove:
Originally Posted By Blain:


I disagree, I think the term combat or service trigger makes an important distinction.   For instance, some triggers with light hammers and or springs give a light hammer stroke which may be problematic for some hard primered military ammo, or some com block ammo.  More important than the feel of the trigger is the reliability, IMHO.  That's why I don't like lighter hammers or hammer springs, I want a hammer force that is significant enough to still ignite hard primers under adverse conditions (heavy fouling, extreme cold, etc).

Furthermore, a trigger pull that is too light can be inadvertently fired under stressful conditions (combat) and is not optimal for combat.  Therefore I don't like a trigger pull that is too light on a combat gun (lighter than say 5lbs).  This is why Wilson offers a "mil" version of their TTU trigger that has a slightly heavier pull.

The Hyperfire Designated Marksman trigger checks all the boxes.  Hard hammer strikes, great pull of around 5 lbs with green spring (which hits harder than a mil spec spring), and still gives you the option of a lighter pull IF you want it with the bottom flat portion of the trigger.

Also, the trigger has almost zero creep, even LaRues single stage has noticeable creep (more than I would like).



I have been in combat. You can’t just put the term combat in front of something and now it is combined in a certain group. I have seen AKs held together with duct tape in combat. You can justify it in your head however you want


You are well aware of what the OP meant when he made the distinction of a "combat trigger", I further elaborated on what he meant to help clarify.  Going into combat with any item doesn't make that item combat worthy (can take anything into combat, doesn't make it a good idea), so your "point" doesn't actually make sense.  

Also, can you actually logically refute anything I said in my prior post or are you just being pretentious for the sake of it?
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 12:41:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DoctorLove:
People on here throw around the word combat here like the military like to throw around the term tactical.

A trigger isn’t a combat trigger unless it is used in combat. There are a lot of good triggers that are reliable and won’t let you down. That is what you want in your rifle
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All I mean by that is I don't want a super light competition trigger.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 12:42:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Blain:


You are well aware of what the OP meant when he made the distinction of a "combat trigger", I further elaborated on what he meant to help clarify.  Going into combat with any item doesn't make that item combat worthy (can take anything into combat, doesn't make it a good idea), so your "point" doesn't actually make sense.  

Also, can you actually logically refute anything I said in my prior post or are you just being pretentious for the sake of it?
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I am saying you are putting too much emphasis on the term combat because, unless you are using it for combat, it is a moot term that people just like to throw around. A quality and reliable trigger will do the trick, easy. A quality and reliable trigger should be able to ignite any ammunition, as long as it is ammunition that is safe to fire.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 12:44:54 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Blain:


I disagree, I think the term combat or service trigger makes an important distinction.   For instance, some triggers with light hammers and or springs give a light hammer stroke which may be problematic for some hard primered military ammo, or some com block ammo.  More important than the feel of the trigger is the reliability, IMHO.  That's why I don't like lighter hammers or hammer springs, I want a hammer force that is significant enough to still ignite hard primers under adverse conditions (heavy fouling, extreme cold, etc).

Furthermore, a trigger pull that is too light can be inadvertently fired under stressful conditions (combat) and is not optimal for combat.  Therefore I don't like a trigger pull that is too light on a combat gun (lighter than say 5lbs).  This is why Wilson offers a "mil" version of their TTU trigger that has a slightly heavier pull.

The Hyperfire Designated Marksman trigger checks all the boxes.  Hard hammer strikes, great pull of around 5 lbs with green spring (which hits harder than a mil spec spring), and still gives you the option of a lighter pull IF you want it with the bottom flat portion of the trigger.

Also, the trigger has almost zero creep, even LaRues single stage has noticeable creep (more than I would like).
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Originally Posted By Blain:
Originally Posted By DoctorLove:
People on here throw around the word combat here like the military like to throw around the term tactical.

A trigger isn’t a combat trigger unless it is used in combat. There are a lot of good triggers that are reliable and won’t let you down. That is what you want in your rifle


I disagree, I think the term combat or service trigger makes an important distinction.   For instance, some triggers with light hammers and or springs give a light hammer stroke which may be problematic for some hard primered military ammo, or some com block ammo.  More important than the feel of the trigger is the reliability, IMHO.  That's why I don't like lighter hammers or hammer springs, I want a hammer force that is significant enough to still ignite hard primers under adverse conditions (heavy fouling, extreme cold, etc).

Furthermore, a trigger pull that is too light can be inadvertently fired under stressful conditions (combat) and is not optimal for combat.  Therefore I don't like a trigger pull that is too light on a combat gun (lighter than say 5lbs).  This is why Wilson offers a "mil" version of their TTU trigger that has a slightly heavier pull.

The Hyperfire Designated Marksman trigger checks all the boxes.  Hard hammer strikes, great pull of around 5 lbs with green spring (which hits harder than a mil spec spring), and still gives you the option of a lighter pull IF you want it with the bottom flat portion of the trigger.

Also, the trigger has almost zero creep, even LaRues single stage has noticeable creep (more than I would like).


This is all I was asking, trying to avoid people recommending some 2 lb pull comp triggers.  This would be going into a self defense rifle and I'd rather the pull still be around 5 pounds, give or take a half pound.

Thanks for all the recommendations everyone.  Seems like there are a few nice options at this price point.  I'll start seeing what kind of deals I can track down.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 12:56:23 PM EST
Let us know what you decide on, Bigerr!
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 1:19:36 PM EST
Single stage, min 5.5 lbs pull for a milspec.


Everyone has their pet.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 1:32:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
Single stage, min 5.5 lbs pull for a milspec.


Everyone has their pet.
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This.

I think when Combat/Duty/Tactical term is used, it's used specifically to determine the USE CASE/Scenario. Competition/3-Gun is a term for the other use case/scenario.  Usually indicating the pull weight. You're not gonna see something labelled as competition with a 5 lbs pull or something labelled as combat with a 2.5 lbs pull.

I would say most triggers out there meet or exceed the "milspec" definition. Some competition triggers have light primer strikes, but that has been fixed with most companies the last couple years (CMC, efltmann).

With that said, Larue MBT 1s/2s are great offerings. I've heard great things about Hyperfire EDT. JSE carries a dope ass adjustable trigger. Add a hammer, springs, and disconnector and you have a trigger that meets or exceeds most of the above for about 100ish. I personally thought it was ugly so I dremeled the back side of it. Now it looks better.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 2:16:16 PM EST
I got a few of the Centurion Arms triggers from Rainer Arms an really like them. Also Have a few Larues an they are nice. But the The CA's are in stock at Rainers Arms right now.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 2:51:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bigern314:


This is all I was asking, trying to avoid people recommending some 2 lb pull comp triggers.  This would be going into a self defense rifle and I'd rather the pull still be around 5 pounds, give or take a half pound.

Thanks for all the recommendations everyone.  Seems like there are a few nice options at this price point.  I'll start seeing what kind of deals I can track down.
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The term combat is just very subjective is all. ALG ACT is what you want
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 10:08:53 PM EST
Another vote for the ALG trigger.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 10:39:58 PM EST
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Link Posted: 1/17/2021 10:43:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FALARAK:
I'm sure a lot of people would recommend a LaRue MBT but I will differ and recommend a LaRue MBT.
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FALARAK - You're post is completely WRONG!

The only correctly answer is the LaRue MBT...
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 10:48:50 PM EST
How does the G2S compare to an MBT?

I know it’s a little north of $100 but it still could be worth considering.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 10:54:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Blain:
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Just ordered the Hipertouch EDT Designated Marksman Trigger.  I was really wavering on this or the Larue but in the end I think the features sold it.  

I'll pick up a LaRue for my 300 BO build down the line.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 11:00:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bigern314:


Just ordered the Hipertouch EDT Designated Marksman Trigger.  I was really wavering on this or the Larue but in the end I think the features sold it.  

I'll pick up a LaRue for my 300 BO build down the line.
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I would recommend against the ALG. I had a spikes enhanced trigger and the ALG had more creep and was simply equal to a few of the nicer mil spec triggers I have in my arsenal.

The MBT and SSA were miles ahead of the ALG. In the end I sold the SSA as well.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 11:49:03 PM EST
BCM PNT, right at the. 6-6.5 range but each of the 4 or 5 I have are consistent and amazingly smooth. Great single stage trigger
Link Posted: 1/18/2021 6:30:13 AM EST
The ALG QMS trigger is my absolute favorite, honestly. I even prefer it to the $250+ Giessele, or KAC triggers.
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