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Posted: 2/18/2018 11:41:01 PM EDT
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I really like my DPMS G2 Recon. Armalite makes a few models in your budget as well.
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Posted: 2/18/2018 11:51:18 PM EDT
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I’ve got an M&P-10 that’s seen some hard use. Lightweight eats cheap ammo like a champ. I’ve got the original model with the 18” barrel. Current MSRP is $1600. The sport model with the 16” barrel has an MSRP of $1049. You should pay less than that though.
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Posted: 2/19/2018 1:53:21 AM EDT
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Armalite Def-10. About $900. Takes P mags. Add an optic, sling and you are good to go.
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Posted: 2/19/2018 3:04:04 AM EDT
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Armalite or the M&P10 would be my first things to look at. I don't have much experience with the M&P but people seem to really like them. I've run an older armalite for a while and it has been good.
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Posted: 2/19/2018 3:11:04 AM EDT
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I’d look at the LaRue UU kit in .308. I think you can get it for around 1600. Hard to beat a larue large frame for that price.
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Posted: 2/19/2018 4:51:00 AM EDT
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Rock River Arms LAR-8.
Mine has been an absolute Tack Driver and 100% reliable. Uses FAL mags which are easy to find Ban or Not... |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 5:31:38 AM EDT
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Armalite mid length AR10 carbine is sub 1,000 after taxes. The 1/11.25 twist is odd but it does good with LC or FC stamped 7.62 NATO Federal M80.
Don't you have an RPR in 6.5? Wouldn't it be smarter to shoot something that you already stash rather than adding another caliber to your logistics chain? |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 8:38:41 AM EDT
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If you already have a 6.5CM, get a savage MSR 10 hunter in 6.5CM
Savage MSR |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 8:44:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryMy savage msr 10 hunter in 308 has been flawless.
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Posted: 2/19/2018 9:18:51 AM EDT
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I really like my DPMS G2 Recon. Armalite makes a few models in your budget as well. If I was looking to buy another .308 AR right now it would be another GII Recon. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 10:43:20 AM EDT
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Armalite mid length AR10 carbine is sub 1,000 after taxes. The 1/11.25 twist is odd but it does good with LC or FC stamped 7.62 NATO Federal M80. Don't you have an RPR in 6.5? Wouldn't it be smarter to shoot something that you already stash rather than adding another caliber to your logistics chain? I don’t want the CPR that comes with the volume a plinker will see. A 6.5 would make the most sense if I put glass on it but I want this to fill the role of a FAL without being a FAL. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 10:44:31 AM EDT
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My savage msr 10 hunter in 308 has been flawless. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/19/2018 11:56:39 AM EDT
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I’d look at the LaRue UU kit in .308. I think you can get it for around 1600. Hard to beat a larue large frame for that price. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 12:20:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2018 12:25:15 PM EDT
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If we're throwing out ridiculous ideas I'll go ahead and go the opposite direction and say get a PSA PA-10 for a truck gun. You'll have plenty of money left over to buy ammo and optics. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I’d look at the LaRue UU kit in .308. I think you can get it for around 1600. Hard to beat a larue large frame for that price. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 12:46:21 PM EDT
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Getting a LaRue isn't ridiculous. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 12:55:30 PM EDT
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Getting a LaRue isn't ridiculous. Easy in/out daily |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 2:03:20 PM EDT
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A $1600 truck gun is ridiculous S/F Al |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 3:02:33 PM EDT
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Getting a LaRue isn't ridiculous. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 3:07:48 PM EDT
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Getting a LaRue isn't ridiculous. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 3:20:47 PM EDT
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Getting a LaRue isn't ridiculous. So again, still wrong. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 4:39:23 PM EDT
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Windham Weaponry SRC 308. Mine runs and runs. I let a friend use it in the local 3 gun matches while I worked on his regular rifle. He ran the crap out of it in several matches without a hiccup.
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:57:49 AM EDT
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I would not buy a Smith and Wesson.
We had a guy blow out the barrel on his rifle while running a match- he had a little water in his bore following a river crossing- TOTALLY HIS FAULT. However, Smith and Wesson was a real bunch of assholes about replacing it. The barrel, at the time, as I understood it was proprietary and they basically said, Nope, we won't sell you one...So he essentially had an expensive paperweight...Finally, they relented- he IS an Attorney but it was a major damn fight to get them to do it. Prior to that, he was very happy with the gun but that really soured him on them. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 11:01:07 AM EDT
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I'm really enjoying my G2 Recon from DPMS. Accuracy has been outstanding out of the box and the rifle is relatively light for the caliber/style. I think the accuracy has more to do with the well above average factory trigger and typical underrated DMPS barrels. Good luck with whatever you choose.
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Posted: 2/20/2018 8:06:40 PM EDT
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The savage looks to be the best bang for the buck.
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Posted: 2/20/2018 11:44:00 PM EDT
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I'm really enjoying my G2 Recon from DPMS. Accuracy has been outstanding out of the box and the rifle is relatively light for the caliber/style. I think the accuracy has more to do with the well above average factory trigger and typical underrated DMPS barrels. Good luck with whatever you choose. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 10:35:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like I’ve mentioned in another thread I have a Bushmaster BR-308. $1300 when I bought it a few years back (assuming they’re still available out there). I’ve shot 1 inch groups with the irons at 100 meters(really need that RT-6 now lol).. good gun with a stout barrel. I suspect the one FTE was an underpowered Perfecta round. Pretty close in design to a DPMS G1. One question. How does the G1 compare to the G2? I’ve heard of some issues with Magpul Mags. The G2 I don't have many rounds on yet, but it is substantially lighter than my G1's were. They completely redesigned the bolt and so far, so good--- no broken extractor issues. Both sets of rifles were/are accurate and otherwise reliable. I never had any issues as far as magazines with either set of rifles and have used Lancers, Pmags and DPMS Factory 19 rd. Steel. I am considering ordering some D&H to try as I have heard they are good.... |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 11:04:07 AM EDT
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The G2 is lighter and more maneuverable if that makes sense.
The early onset issues with he G2 and aftermarket magazines all boiled down to the bolt catch actuation tab on the back of the follower being too short on the aftermarket mags. There are multiple posts with "fixes" but the magazine manufacturers seem to have figured it out and I haven't heard of many G2 users complaining about aftermarket mags in a while. Lancers seem to be the premium upgrade and I have never heard of anybody saying they had issues with the Lancers Like the LR308, the G2 is very accurate for a large caliber semi. Depending on which G2 you go with, you will get a different trigger group. My Recon came with the 2 stage trigger and my understanding is that its the preferred. Its light, breaks clean, and had almost zero creep from the factory. I was very surprised by that and wont be switching to an aftermarket trigger considering most of my shooting with it will be hunting and plinking at the range. I did have a small, early issue with the disconnector not releasing the hammer when I released the trigger. I pulled the disconnector and noticed a small shiny area where the two surfaces were rubbing and catching. I did 7-10 very light swipes with 2000 grit paper on the disconnector's contact surface, lubed, reinstalled, and went back to firing. The issue hasn't occurred since and I have around 200 rounds through the rifle. I'll be watching it closely since its surface is supposed to be hardened and I might have removed the hardening. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 11:38:50 AM EDT
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If $1,500 isn't a hard-line budget, you might can find some really good deals. My rifle combo came in at a hair over $1,600 after taxes but I searched a while for the used optics and got a good price on the rifle new. There was a lull in the market that allowed for that to happen so if you take your time looking around, you could find some really good deals. With the recent events in Florida though, I have a sneaking suspicion that MSR prices are gonna rise acutely in the near future.
G2 Recon with ATN X-Sight HD 3x14 |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:02:06 PM EDT
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Seriously consider the PSA PA10 GenII... I am more then happy with its performance and value.
After a few easy mods, I would suggest the PSA to everyone looking for a good reliable .308 AR... an Adj. GB is one thing that ( IMHO ) all .308 / 6.5CM AR's should have. Vastly improved cyclic behavior, easier on the shooter, the parts, and the brass. Staying on target is also FAR easier. This thread will show you my results with the Nitrated, SS, and Criterion barrel.... Ironically, I started wanting a .308 AR to cut back on the wear and tear on my M21... well.. the PSA has done so well... I now have 3 PSA uppers in .308 , and 2 in 6.5CM... The OEM PSA 6.5CM upper was sub MOA with 5 factory loads out of the box. https://www.ar15.com/forums/industry/PA10-Nitrated-18-Gen-2-observations-fixes-Criterion-barrel-results-10-Sept-17-/301-284190/ https://www.ar15.com/forums/industry/PSA-PA10-GenII-lower-w-PA-65-review-START-at-the-beginning-again-UPDATED-with-Tn-G-results-/301-285762/ |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 1:32:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've owned both types. I currently only own a G2- but looking at adding a couple others..... I had MANY extractor issues with my G1 DPMS rifles-it's why I got rid of mine. Their extractors were shit. I broke probably a half a dozen of them before I got rid of the rifles. Ask anyone that actually USES their rifles- like sniper competitors etc....and they will tell you that a stock DPMS extractor in the AR .308 platform is trash. Other than that, I liked the rifles, I might have been able to fix the issue by using someone elses' extractors..... They were no heavier really than any other Legacy .30 Battle rifle and much more adaptable than the others. The G2 I don't have many rounds on yet, but it is substantially lighter than my G1's were. They completely redesigned the bolt and so far, so good--- no broken extractor issues. Both sets of rifles were/are accurate and otherwise reliable. I never had any issues as far as magazines with either set of rifles and have used Lancers, Pmags and DPMS Factory 19 rd. Steel. I am considering ordering some D&H to try as I have heard they are good.... |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 1:42:08 AM EDT
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I've built several aeros for around $1k with some parts scrounging. I've been very pleased with fit and finish and groupings of the ballistic advantage barrels.
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Posted: 2/22/2018 1:58:06 AM EDT
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Gll
Have had two models, both are great |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 8:20:55 AM EDT
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Why not build one? I have a build with mostly ap parts that eats everything, never a hiccup, accurate and done, without optic, for 700
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Posted: 2/22/2018 9:34:59 AM EDT
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Why not build one? I have a build with mostly ap parts that eats everything, never a hiccup, accurate and done, without optic, for 700 Been looking hard at the armalite def10. Just trying to find a simple non MI 308 mlok rail. |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 10:45:59 AM EDT
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Just trying to find a simple non MI 308 mlok rail. -UHPR 15.0 MOD 1-HP -UHPR 15.0 MOD 2-HP AIM has the Mod2 in stock for $173.65 shipped. |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 12:28:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about one of the CMT rails: -UHPR 15.0 MOD 1-HP -UHPR 15.0 MOD 2-HP AIM has the Mod2 in stock for $173.65 shipped. What size gas block do I need for the DEF10? I assume just tap out the gas tube pin and reuse the tube with the new GB? I know armalite usues it’s own length tube thus my asking |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 1:04:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Always an option. Been looking hard at the armalite def10. Just trying to find a simple non MI 308 mlok rail. |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 1:27:42 PM EDT
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What's wrong with MI Mlok? |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 1:45:46 PM EDT
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nothing really, just prefer different lock up design to the barrel nut. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's wrong with MI Mlok? So you're now looking into an Armalite as well? Mine has a really tight chamber. |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 1:51:43 PM EDT
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What size gas block do I need for the DEF10? I assume just tap out the gas tube pin and reuse the tube with the new GB? |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 2:05:40 PM EDT
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Fair enough. So you're now looking into an Armalite as well? Mine has a really tight chamber. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's wrong with MI Mlok? So you're now looking into an Armalite as well? Mine has a really tight chamber. Really wanting something different / fun to plink with. It’s between a .308 of some sort, an Arsenal or saiga AK, or hell a 9mm pcc I can run plates with. Maybe something I don’t even know about |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 2:11:57 PM EDT
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Don't you have a 17S? I've been wanting one and trying to see if the S&W M&P10 is an acceptable alternative. I'm thinking not...
On topic, I fired a rental Savage MSR10 at my local indoor range. It had a SiCo can on it. Maybe it was the fact that it was a rental gun, but about everything that could go wrong with it did, from failing to feed or doublefeeding to the stock collapsing after 2-3 rounds. They haven't had the gun that long. I wasn't impressed, but then, I followed it up with the 17S, so that doesn't help. |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 2:13:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no idea what I really want to be honest. I’ve got all the 5.56 guns squared away, got the grendel box checked, got the 6.5CM taken care of, and have a sbr AK. Really wanting something different / fun to plink with. It’s between a .308 of some sort, an Arsenal or saiga AK, or hell a 9mm pcc I can run plates with. Maybe something I don’t even know about |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 2:19:12 PM EDT
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Don't you have a 17S? I've been wanting one and trying to see if the S&W M&P10 is an acceptable alternative. I'm thinking not... On topic, I fired a rental Savage MSR10 at my local indoor range. It had a SiCo can on it. Maybe it was the fact that it was a rental gun, but about everything that could go wrong with it did, from failing to feed or doublefeeding to the stock collapsing after 2-3 rounds. They haven't had the gun that long. I wasn't impressed, but then, I followed it up with the 17S, so that doesn't help. Somewhat regret that - but used the money to build my sbr 16s. |
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