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Posted: 5/28/2023 12:25:43 AM EDT
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Vinyl is a myth. It was nylon.
The stocks were powder coated with it, probably using a fluidized bed dip instead of a spray. Many powder coating places still offer nylon coating. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 12:10:45 PM EDT
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Nylon? So some kind of polyamide coating? Interesting. Do you have any sources for that? Since I'm mainly looking for some finish that will at least resemble the original coating, it's not so important, but I would like to know more about these guns.
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Posted: 5/28/2023 12:40:49 PM EDT
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If you build a XM177E1 you can get away with the anodized stock. The E1’s for the most part didn’t have the coating that the E2’s and later models using the aluminum stock had.
Just FYI. Otherwise the ACE makes a very nice coated stock. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 1:48:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you build a XM177E1 you can get away with the anodized stock. The E1’s for the most part didn’t have the coating that the E2’s and later models using the aluminum stock had. Just FYI. Otherwise the ACE makes a very nice coated stock. +1 on the Ace. JSE has the best prices and $4.00 flat rate shipping. I’m real happy with the one I ordered. They’re OOS at the moment, but they re-stock frequently. https://www.jsesurplus.com/aceessentialretrocoatedaluminumcarbuttstockwoutbufferandspring.aspx Note: the supplied castle nut has the smaller hole, so my current spanner wrench doesn’t fit. Brownells has the proper wrench for $30.00, but I’m holding out for other options. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 3:48:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you build a XM177E1 you can get away with the anodized stock. The E1’s for the most part didn’t have the coating that the E2’s and later models using the aluminum stock had. Just FYI. Otherwise the ACE makes a very nice coated stock. Since I have a 11,5" barrel (Brownells), I need to make E2 or GAU-5A, depending on which upper I manage to get. Still waiting for Brownells to restock their retro series (and they seem to carry the slickside upper without forward assist only). Yes, I know there are other sources to get the correct stock. I may get one of them in the end. I just don't like the idea of wasting money on another stock if I could "fix" the one I have. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 4:43:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Since I have a 11,5" barrel (Brownells), I need to make E2 or GAU-5A, depending on which upper I manage to get. Still waiting for Brownells to restock their retro series (and they seem to carry the slickside upper without forward assist only). Yes, I know there are other sources to get the correct stock. I may get one of them in the end. I just don't like the idea of wasting money on another stock if I could "fix" the one I have. Then I believe a good option would be to get it powder coated. Probably black semi gloss. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 10:57:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.jsesurplus.com/aceessentialretrocoatedaluminumcarbuttstockwoutbufferandspring.aspx Note: the supplied castle nut has the smaller hole, so my current spanner wrench doesn’t fit. Brownells has the proper wrench for $30.00, but I’m holding out for other options. I used a spanner wrench I got from numrich and it fits just fine. I forget how much it was but I wanna say it was under 10 bucks. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 10:16:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nylon? So some kind of polyamide coating? Interesting. Do you have any sources for that? Since I'm mainly looking for some finish that will at least resemble the original coating, it's not so important, but I would like to know more about these guns. Product Improvement Test of Submachine Gun, 5.56mm, XM177E2 US Army Final Report on the XM177E2. References to the nylon coating start on page 5 and continue throughout the report. The earlier XM177E1 stock was simply anodized grey like the receivers. The nylon coating offered superior corrosion resistance. A lot of people also parrot that the barrel length increase was for "more backpressure to cycle better" and that's also a myth according to reports. It's longer simply because they wanted to mount a grenade launcher to it. These reports have only been made available to the public in the last 6 or 7 years. People make up a lot of stuff in the absence of fact. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 12:27:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Product Improvement Test of Submachine Gun, 5.56mm, XM177E2 US Army Final Report on the XM177E2. References to the nylon coating start on page 5 and continue throughout the report. The earlier XM177E1 stock was simply anodized grey like the receivers. The nylon coating offered superior corrosion resistance. A lot of people also parrot that the barrel length increase was for "more backpressure to cycle better" and that's also a myth according to reports. It's longer simply because they wanted to mount a grenade launcher to it. These reports have only been made available to the public in the last 6 or 7 years. People make up a lot of stuff in the absence of fact. That is a very interesting read. A lot of info in there that is NOT said in the forums, instead we hear a lot of myths, as you noted. I also found this interesting.....  I have always read it wasn't a sound suppressor. it would just change the tone. Well, here it is, in black and white that they call it a "noise-Flash Suppressor" |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 12:52:44 AM EDT
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I did this old alloy Bushmaster in a couple heavy coats of Brownells Alumahide II, and think it turned out pretty well
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Posted: 5/30/2023 12:07:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Vinyl is a myth. It was nylon. The stocks were powder coated with it, probably using a fluidized bed dip instead of a spray. Many powder coating places still offer nylon coating. +1 |
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Posted: 5/30/2023 2:46:31 PM EDT
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Yes
I did roll my own with that exact stock from Tonys customer uppers. I replaced the latch pin with usgi one and did norrell's moly resin gray-black on the buffer tube. The stock body and latch I did in hi-temp gloss black spray paint and baked it. At the time this was the only option I had. Maybe not as nice as the Essential arms stock or ones available now. But I’ve been satisfied with how it came out and held up over the last 7ish years, granted I haven’t thrown it down the driveway...yet 
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:06:54 AM EDT
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Thanks for the link, that report is insteresting read for sure!
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Posted: 5/31/2023 9:56:55 AM EDT
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I've not used them, but Plastidip and Flex Seal might be an option.
No idea as to durability. |
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Posted: 5/31/2023 8:37:52 PM EDT
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Cerakote is another option.
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Posted: 6/1/2023 12:10:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've not used them, but Plastidip and Flex Seal might be an option. No idea as to durability. Flex Seal is an interesting idea. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 4:47:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did this old alloy Bushmaster in a couple heavy coats of Brownells Alumahide II, and think it turned out pretty well https://i.imgur.com/v9DraHc.jpg I did this on my Tonys stock too, probably 5 or 6 coats though to give it a thick look. Semi gloss black. Looks great. |
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Posted: 6/1/2023 11:32:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did this on my Tonys stock too, probably 5 or 6 coats though to give it a thick look. Semi gloss black. Looks great. that's about how I did mine, first coat was just sort of lightly dusted on, followed by 4-5 heavy coats and allowed to cure for a few days went from having a crinkle finish of the original to the smooth finish 
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Posted: 6/8/2023 4:32:19 PM EDT
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Nice, except that Brownells doesn't seem to carry that paint anymore (at least not on their local site - I can't look for it on their home US site, as it will always redirect me to local)
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Posted: 6/8/2023 7:51:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice, except that Brownells doesn't seem to carry that paint anymore (at least not on their local site - I can't look for it on their home US site, as it will always redirect me to local) Here's the URL maybe that will help you out...just copy and paste it into your search bar if the link doesn't work https://www.brownells.com/tools-cleaning/paint-metal-prep/paint-finishing/aluma-hyde-ii/ |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 12:59:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryBy crackedcornish:[/b] Here's the URL maybe that will help you out...just copy and paste it into your search bar if the link doesn't work https://www.brownells.com/tools-cleaning/paint-metal-prep/paint-finishing/aluma-hyde-ii/ Brownells for some weird reason does not want us to vistit your site.. it has been this way for the last few years   |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 9:54:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Brownells for some weird reason does not want us to vistit your site.. it has been this way for the last few years https://i.postimg.cc/BnL3Mq13/IMG-2166.jpg well that stinks... here's the product info, maybe it will help when contacting a European rep. ...good luck 12 oz Semi-Gloss Black Aerosol Brownells #083002112 MFR #1A29S205 UPC 050806101623 |
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Posted: 6/10/2023 3:59:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: well that stinks... here's the product info, maybe it will help when contacting a European rep. ...good luck 12 oz Semi-Gloss Black Aerosol Brownells #083002112 MFR #1A29S205 UPC 050806101623 Thanks, I found some on ebay, but so far no seller would ship to CZ. Also found it on Amazon, where it's marked as currently unavailable. I've sent the product code to local Brownells branch, asking if there's a way to custom order it from their US stores. I guess it has something to do with the legal problems of shipping pressured aerosol cans, such as paint. It requires some sort of hazmat license and maybe Brownells doesn't think it's worth the trouble for couple cans of paint they could sell in Europe. I've checked their local site and they don't seem to carry even gun cleaning products in aerosol cans, all is just pump-spray, except for maybe one Hoppes product. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:01:36 AM EDT
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It is as I thought, Brownells doesn't ship these to Europe due to transportation legal reasons. Guess I'll either have to find a similar product here, or find someone who would take a 1-piece order to do the polyamide coating.
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