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Posted: 10/24/2019 11:25:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Midwest_Ind]
As many of you probably know we were involved in the production of the Air Force GAU-5A Rifle which is a break down carbine that ejects with the pilot and gives them a means to defend themselves.
More information here: https://www.airforcetimes.com/ /arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-mco.s3.amazonaws.com/public/BYOJ2KZHPBHFVAHTFYVEYSWF6U.JPG)
 We are proud to have been involved in the development of this project and have been discussing the idea of releasing a clone in pistol form. Your thoughts on offering this would be appreciated. |
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Posted: 10/24/2019 11:30:10 AM EDT
[#1]
Nice....I carried the GAU-5A back in the 80's as a USAF K-9 handler!!!
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Posted: 10/24/2019 11:58:30 AM EDT
[#2]
As an Air Force veteran I will say thanks and congratulations. As my humble self, I will figure out a way to get one in my safe.
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Posted: 10/24/2019 12:02:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2019 12:14:09 PM EDT
[#4]
Very nice. I would be interested in a clone.
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Posted: 10/24/2019 12:30:16 PM EDT
[#5]
How about a law tactical folder stock with a 10.5 barrel red dot and an extra mag.
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Posted: 10/24/2019 1:53:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: M-4matus]
[#6]
Pretty neat! I'd have to have one. I do not love the barrel nut tension screws. Aesthetically speaking, I think MI could do better. I know, I'm nit picking.
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Posted: 10/24/2019 2:01:21 PM EDT
[#7]
Originally Posted By M-4matus:
Pretty neat! I'd have to have one. I do not love the barrel nut tension screws. Aesthetically speaking, I think MI could do better. Troy MI |
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Posted: 10/24/2019 2:09:36 PM EDT
[#8]
I’m in. Pistol good. I’ll SBR it on a form 1.
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Posted: 10/24/2019 2:14:27 PM EDT
[#9]
IMHO, I wonder if you would be better off selling it as an upper or as a kit.
Just the upper, no sights. The upper, sights, and grip. Part of the question would be how accurate it would be to being a proper clone? I have read that the adaptor has changed and that the barrel is BCM. I couldn't find what gas block they are using. I really don't think it would sell well. When I have talked to people about this gun the responses have always been negative. |
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Posted: 10/24/2019 2:23:30 PM EDT
[#10]
Congrats, OP.
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MO, USA
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Posted: 10/24/2019 2:30:36 PM EDT
[#11]
Cool!
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Posted: 10/24/2019 2:32:00 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Postal0311:
IMHO, I wonder if you would be better off selling it as an upper or as a kit. Just the upper, no sights. The upper, sights, and grip. Part of the question would be how accurate it would be to being a proper clone? I have read that the adaptor has changed and that the barrel is BCM. I couldn't find what gas block they are using. I really don't think it would sell well. When I have talked to people about this gun the responses have always been negative. |
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Posted: 10/24/2019 2:42:01 PM EDT
[#13]
CAR stock to bring the weight down? Is the free float rail necessary for a survival rifle?
I think it's a solid looking weapon. Good job to you and your company. I would certinally think a civilian version would be appealing. |
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Posted: 10/24/2019 3:54:49 PM EDT
[#14]
Make a clone.
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Posted: 10/24/2019 4:38:15 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer: Speak for yourself and not for others. The responses in this thread so far state otherwise. I think it is cool and I want one. But to john q public it is a niche of a niche. It is built to fit in a particular size location and the average person is not worried about. There isn't much name recognition of the system, no videos of Navy Seals doing cool things with it. Most of the time it is brought up, people will ask why the AF didn't just buy Sig Rattlers. |
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Posted: 10/24/2019 5:13:28 PM EDT
[#16]
If we build some clones it will be our version of the issued gun . This is definitely not for everyone but nothing is. It would be a very niche novelty type firearm. I agree it’s not a Arfcom tier one seal delta sniper door gunner rifle but it’s still cool.
Troy MI |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 10/24/2019 5:48:37 PM EDT
[#17]
Definitely cool, MI. I really enjoy your products.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 10/24/2019 6:20:48 PM EDT
[#18]
I want one, would prefer non-NFA (16 inch barrel). Looks quite interesting.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/24/2019 6:29:05 PM EDT
[#19]
Yeah man, I say throw an SBA4 on it and sell it as a pistol. I think it'd do really well, and it'd be easy to SBR that way if someone wanted to.
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NM, USA
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Posted: 10/24/2019 7:14:15 PM EDT
[#20]
That's pretty cool. I'd buy a pistol clone of it.
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USA
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Posted: 10/24/2019 7:19:54 PM EDT
[#21]
I’d buy one
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AL, USA
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Posted: 10/24/2019 7:27:17 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Midwest_Ind:
If we build some clones it will be our version of the issued gun . This is definitely not for everyone but nothing is. It would be a very niche novelty type firearm. I agree it’s not a Arfcom tier one seal delta sniper door gunner rifle but it’s still cool. Troy MI I like it and knowing how folks "must have" this and that, I believe it'd be worth your time and effort. Nice job and appreciate your quality parts.
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Posted: 10/24/2019 7:33:51 PM EDT
[#23]
Thanks but why not just break a normal GAU at the takedown pins and make a plastic cover for each half? With the folding grip it would have still fit in the seat.
I have an ACES seat pack laying in my office. I know this for a fact. It seems like an expensive way to address a simple problem. I breakdown my 16in gun often to take it to the range in a backpack. |
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Posted: 10/24/2019 7:38:30 PM EDT
[#24]
Interesting, any idea on the price range?
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Posted: 10/24/2019 7:39:07 PM EDT
[#25]
Very cool! I’d definitely love to have a clone.
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Posted: 10/24/2019 7:41:50 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mdavister:
I want one, would prefer non-NFA (16 inch barrel). Looks quite interesting. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 10/24/2019 7:51:50 PM EDT
[#27]
Tbh, I'm shocked there isn't more emphasis on saving weight. That thing looks 'heavy' for an airplane gun.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/25/2019 11:27:34 AM EDT
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/25/2019 12:48:59 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jos51700:
Tbh, I'm shocked there isn't more emphasis on saving weight. That thing looks 'heavy' for an airplane gun. I’d be in for a pistol version. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:22:59 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-4matus:
Pretty neat! I'd have to have one. I do not love the barrel nut tension screws. Aesthetically speaking, I think MI could do better. I know, I'm nit picking. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:25:58 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Postal0311:
You might want to check out some of ARFCOM's previous discussions about this weapon system to see how the public feels about it. I think it is cool and I want one. But to john q public it is a niche of a niche. It is built to fit in a particular size location and the average person is not worried about. There isn't much name recognition of the system, no videos of Navy Seals doing cool things with it. Most of the time it is brought up, people will ask why the AF didn't just buy Sig Rattlers. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Postal0311:
Originally Posted By tranzformer: Speak for yourself and not for others. The responses in this thread so far state otherwise. I think it is cool and I want one. But to john q public it is a niche of a niche. It is built to fit in a particular size location and the average person is not worried about. There isn't much name recognition of the system, no videos of Navy Seals doing cool things with it. Most of the time it is brought up, people will ask why the AF didn't just buy Sig Rattlers. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:26:57 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hotbiggun42:
What looks heavy? Looks like a bare bones AR to me. I'd be in for a pistol version. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By jos51700:
Tbh, I'm shocked there isn't more emphasis on saving weight. That thing looks 'heavy' for an airplane gun. I'd be in for a pistol version. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/25/2019 1:34:58 PM EDT
[#33]
what is the barrel lenght?
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Posted: 10/25/2019 2:01:56 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTomas:
what is the barrel lenght? Troy MI |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 2:15:40 PM EDT
[#35]
Thank you MI for helping develope a weapon system for our angels in the sky. If I were an AF pilot I would be happy to see you guys had a hand in a weapon that could potentially be used to save my life.
That is a pretty unique looking weapon system also any thoughts if the system will be sold to civilians for cloning? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/25/2019 3:44:43 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EdgecrusherXES: any thoughts if the system will be sold to civilians for cloning? |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 10/25/2019 9:04:25 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikS:
Thanks but why not just break a normal GAU at the takedown pins and make a plastic cover for each half? With the folding grip it would have still fit in the seat. I have an ACES seat pack laying in my office. I know this for a fact. It seems like an expensive way to address a simple problem. I breakdown my 16in gun often to take it to the range in a backpack. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 10:30:54 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alexbrooks:
Don’t buy it then. Poo poo the post all you want. I am in for one. The weapon is a done deal. He didn’t ask you for all of that BS. Once again, I say: I think Midwest would be smart to offer it in a few different forms: 1. An upper receiver group(URG) with no sights or accessories 2. An URG with the sights and folding grip. 3. Lastly, complete firearms. Another note, the clone community is pretty nutty and picky. The closer you can get it to being exactly correct, the more they will like it. But unfortunately this is not a well known military model. Midwest Ind might want to do an advertising campaign about how their stuff is in use with the Airforce. Last time I talked about this weapon system, someone asked me if a MK18 upper and lower would be smaller. They didn't realize that this broken down is 5 inches shorter than a MK18 broken down, and has a 2.2 inch longer barrel when it is put together. It would be smart for Midwest Ind to show these facts in their advertising. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 10/27/2019 10:09:57 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By john575:
How about a law tactical folder stock with a 10.5 barrel red dot and an extra mag. |
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Posted: 10/27/2019 10:18:28 PM EDT
[#40]
That's super cool, but I couldn't justify spending the money. I think that will be a common response. But, presumably you are already set up to make them, so why not lot a few out for the niche market?
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IL, USA
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Posted: 10/28/2019 1:28:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: retroguy]
[#41]
I just started my GAU-5A ASDW build buying what seems to be the hardest part to find, the FAB Defense AGF-43S folding pistol grip. I had to order mine from
ETA: I thought I had ordered off eBay from a UK seller, but I searched on gunbroker and found the lowest price with free shipping. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/28/2019 1:43:36 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By retroguy:
I just started my GAU-5A ASDW build buying what seems to be the hardest part to find, the FAB Defense AGF-43S folding pistol grip. I had to order mine from the UK for the lowest price. https://www.opticsplanet.com/fab-defense-ergonomic-folding-black-pistol-grip-for-m16-m4-ar15.html |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 2:04:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Alaskanforfreedom]
[#43]
At what price point? That is the magical question. I think it would be a cool product to own personally but it would all come down to the price point. In the pic of the broken down firearm it looks like MBUS Pro sights, but what sights would the rifle come with?
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IL, USA
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Posted: 10/28/2019 2:35:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: retroguy]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThRob:
Cheaper than Optics Planet? And they still have them for that price with free shipping: FAB Defense fx-agf43sb Folding AGF-43S Beavertail |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 10/28/2019 2:42:25 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alaskanforfreedom:
At what price point? That is the magical question. I think it would be a cool product to own personally but it would all come down to the price point. In the pic of the broken down firearm it looks like MBUS Pro sights, but what sights would the rifle come with? |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 3:01:19 PM EDT
[#46]
It would be cool to see a picture of the bag or compartment it fits inside of.
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Posted: 10/28/2019 4:11:26 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gohuskers:
It would be cool to see a picture of the bag or compartment it fits inside of. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 8:57:15 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Postal0311:
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.w3pcIbu05pO8fOMY1QAwXwHaGs&pid=Api&rs=1 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Postal0311:
Originally Posted By gohuskers:
It would be cool to see a picture of the bag or compartment it fits inside of. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:17:19 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By retroguy:
See my reply above about the folding grip price. The front sight is the Magpul MBUS PRO Steel Backup Sight (Front), while the rear sight is the Magpul MBUS PRO LR Adjustable Rear Sight. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 10/29/2019 7:07:28 PM EDT
[#50]
We have these in our (B-52) seat kits when we go downrange, so I'd buy at least an upper to practice with. Maybe the whole rifle (well, pistol) if the price was reasonable.
Any idea what sort of ammo the USAF is including in the seat kits? Hopefully brown tip but mk262 would be ok too. Gotta make up for the short barrel somehow. |
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