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Posted: 2/17/2021 2:16:31 PM EDT
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At their price range the Aimpoint Pro (Sweden) and Trijicon MRO (USA) are the only viable options, I can’t bring myself to give the Chinese money if I can help it.
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Posted: 2/17/2021 2:18:56 PM EDT
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30k battery life will last over 3 years. I replace the battery yearly just for peace of mind. So Im not sure that the difference in 30k-50k is that big of a deal.
PRO is better for NV as the holosuns have a coating on them that severely diminishes light transmission. PRO has a better track record for QC. Plus, its not china. MRO is also nice, is light, and works well with NV. Plus, Made in USA. |
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Posted: 2/17/2021 2:20:55 PM EDT
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I have 3 Holosun 510 and really like them so far.
Its hard not to give money to China.... Find a US made smartphone ? |
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Posted: 2/17/2021 2:26:04 PM EDT
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Another choice is DI optical. Made in South Korea and built like tanks if you can find them
https://www.natchezss.com/bushnell-tac-optics-mini-cannon-red-dot-sight-1x23mm-multi-4-reticle-hi-rise-box-5l.html |
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Posted: 2/17/2021 2:26:46 PM EDT
[#5]
FPNI, SPNI.
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Posted: 2/17/2021 2:28:00 PM EDT
[#6]
AP is my default.
Solid/proven/outstanding CS. |
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Posted: 2/17/2021 2:33:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: At their price range the Aimpoint Pro (Sweden) and Trijicon MRO (USA) are the only viable options, I can’t bring myself to give the Chinese money if I can help it. Quoted: AP is my default. Solid/proven/outstanding CS. Both these points pretty much along with Eo. |
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Posted: 2/17/2021 2:39:15 PM EDT
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Aimpoint Pro is the entry level "duty" optic IMO. That meaning if you have to rely on something to take some abuse and be confident it will function based on years of a proven track record.
Most people don't really need this for their 4th AR that sits in the safe 345 days a year and one of the Holosuns or Sig Romeo 5 is fine. The weak point on the T2 size imports is the mount. That can be fixed with any decent quality T2 mount for $100 or so. So for $250 you have a serviceable dot on a quality mount and save $200 off retail for a Pro and get the T2 form factor. Some people will tell you the imports are just as good. Some will tell you that they are complete dogshit. The truth is somewhere in the middle leaning towards they are better than some want to admit in my experience. As for the "Don't buy commie shit" people I got nothing. Everyone makes their own decisions. |
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Posted: 2/17/2021 3:03:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another choice is DI optical. Made in South Korea and built like tanks if you can find them https://www.natchezss.com/bushnell-tac-optics-mini-cannon-red-dot-sight-1x23mm-multi-4-reticle-hi-rise-box-5l.html I had a Bushnell TRS-25 and that thing was great for what it is. I need to do more research on this one. Thanks for alerting me to this one. |
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Posted: 2/17/2021 3:04:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aimpoint Pro is the entry level "duty" optic IMO. That meaning if you have to rely on something to take some abuse and be confident it will function based on years of a proven track record. Most people don't really need this for their 4th AR that sits in the safe 345 days a year and one of the Holosuns or Sig Romeo 5 is fine. The weak point on the T2 size imports is the mount. That can be fixed with any decent quality T2 mount for $100 or so. So for $250 you have a serviceable dot on a quality mount and save $200 off retail for a Pro and get the T2 form factor. Some people will tell you the imports are just as good. Some will tell you that they are complete dogshit. The truth is somewhere in the middle leaning towards they are better than some want to admit in my experience. As for the "Don't buy commie shit" people I got nothing. Everyone makes their own decisions. Very good points. My AR's pretty much sit in my safe. My two Tavors get more hands on time. They are my go to rifles. |
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Posted: 2/17/2021 3:13:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At their price range the Aimpoint Pro (Sweden) and Trijicon MRO (USA) are the only viable options, I can’t bring myself to give the Chinese money if I can help it. This. FFS, people . . . . we know that SOME money going over to China is inevitable, but when you have options that ARE ACTUALLY SUPERIOR to the Chinese options, WHY IS THIS EVEN A QUESTION? I have T2's, T1's, MRO's, MRO Patrols, Aimpoint PRO. They're all good options. Don't be responsible for directly funding China's military-industrial complex. At this point, with what we know, it would be like purchasing War Bonds from Hitler in 1940. It just baffles me. |
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Posted: 2/17/2021 3:31:31 PM EDT
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If you do get one, I recommend buying the mount and optic differently. Main reason being on a weapon outside of an AR type platform, the mount might not make total sense.
As far as pricing, I think you're looking at it wrong. You're looking at the specs and all that, which is a good idea, but you have to think about reliability and long term. The Aimpoint and Trijicon will both work no matter what. They also have a lot more support and aftermarket products. Right now those other optics might have support but will that be the same in 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? Who knows. If you bought an aimpoint in 1990s or a trijicon in the 90s, they'd still have parts for them. They'll still work too. Might need to get the tritium refilled on Trijicon products but it would still be good to go. Can you say the same with the other stuff? |
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Posted: 2/17/2021 3:36:46 PM EDT
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Because they work. Proven track record.
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Posted: 2/17/2021 5:08:14 PM EDT
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If youre okay with chinesium than buy chinesium. People buy the Aimpoint PRO over holosun because they feel like it is valuable to not rely upon a made in China product to save your ass in a HD situation. Or they just don't want to support the Chinese where they have the choice.
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Posted: 2/17/2021 7:46:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. FFS, people . . . . we know that SOME money going over to China is inevitable, but when you have options that ARE ACTUALLY SUPERIOR to the Chinese options, WHY IS THIS EVEN A QUESTION? I have T2's, T1's, MRO's, MRO Patrols, Aimpoint PRO. They're all good options. Thats as asinine as saying, "why buy a $400 vortex lvpo when Swarovski sells them too" |
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Posted: 2/17/2021 9:12:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And most/all of those are multiple times the price of the equivalent chinese competition. That's why the Chinese competition exists. Not everyone wants to spend $500-700 on a red dot. Thats as asinine as saying, "why buy a $400 vortex lvpo when Swarovski sells them too" That’s a pretty weak straw man friend. The comparison to vortex would be either the accupoint (trijicon) or anything from Leupold. Much more in line with the prices from vortex. And as far as $5-700? The aimpoint pro is only 445 with mount. On Amazon, no less And MRO’s are $420 brand new. But that’s without the mount. So unless you’re outfitting a company, buying a single optic for self defense is very affordable. And if you’re weird like me, you buy most things used. A used Aim-point Pro/MRO with mount will be even cheaper. |
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Posted: 2/17/2021 10:11:31 PM EDT
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First posted nailed it.
Some things can't be helped in regards to China. But when there's a chance to buy here or with a much friendlier nation and keeping those people employed, it's a no brainer actually. |
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Posted: 2/17/2021 10:26:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a pretty weak straw man friend. The comparison to vortex would be either the accupoint (trijicon) or anything from Leupold. Much more in line with the prices from vortex. And as far as $5-700? The aimpoint pro is only 445 with mount. On Amazon, no less And MRO's are $420 brand new. But that's without the mount. So unless you're outfitting a company, buying a single optic for self defense is very affordable. And if you're weird like me, you buy most things used. A used Aim-point Pro/MRO with mount will be even cheaper. And comparing your used buying habits to new isn't exactly a straight across comparison either. I have 3 ACOG's, an Aimpoint CompM, a Holosun 507v2, and 4 type2 RM06 RMR's. That Holosun has given me no issues and most of their line appears to be a viable option, regardless of your feelings on their location of manufacture. |
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Posted: 2/17/2021 11:19:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except the others he mentioned are pretty pricey for what they are. And comparing your used buying habits to new isn't exactly a straight across comparison either. I have 3 ACOG's, an Aimpoint CompM, a Holosun 507v2, and 4 type2 RM06 RMR's. That Holosun has given me no issues and most of their line appears to be a viable option, regardless of your feelings on their location of manufacture. I have a holosun as well. But you compared Swarovski to vortex. So I felt ok talking about a used market to offset the American/Swedish labor cost. |
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Posted: 2/18/2021 12:32:29 AM EDT
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I think I keep coming back the either the Aimpoint Pro or MRO. The MRO is what my gut is telling to me to go with for my x95 and since my AR’s sit in my safe and they are not my go to rifles, maybe something less expensive. I’m trying to buy three optics at one time and not break the bank. Maybe I’ll buy them over the next year and offset the cost a little.
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Posted: 2/18/2021 1:24:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think I keep coming back the either the Aimpoint Pro or MRO. The MRO is what my gut is telling to me to go with for my x95 and since my AR’s sit in my safe and they are not my go to rifles, maybe something less expensive. I’m trying to buy three optics at one time and not break the bank. Maybe I’ll buy them over the next year and offset the cost a little. You're looking to buy $1300 of optics spread out due to indecision. Aimpoint - reputable but heftier. Trijicon - American made, better form factor. Here's the play - get an Aimpoint micro. T2 x 2. Within your budget, no buyers remorse, form factor and brand. Save and buy your third...and avoid the dreaded MRO parallax. |
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Posted: 2/18/2021 3:02:11 AM EDT
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The only options on this list I’d be worrying about, personally, are the Pro or the MRO. I think the Pro is the better optic, but the MRO is close enough and smaller. Which is more important is subjective.
Get the other stuff if you want, if it’s on a range toy it’s not going to matter anyway. If it’s something ‘for real’ one really needs to stick with the Trijicon or Aimpoint, or in some cases Eotech. The other stuff will probably work fine. If ‘probably’ is good enough is something only you can decide. |
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Posted: 2/18/2021 8:24:21 PM EDT
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If you're between the MRO and Aimpoint Pro I'd go with the MRO. The MRO will end up being about 5 ounces lighter and it has a larger window. I had a Pro, then bought a MRO for another rifle, then sold the Pro and replaced it with another MRO. Also, USA > Sweden.
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Posted: 2/18/2021 8:38:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you're between the MRO and Aimpoint Pro I'd go with the MRO. The MRO will end up being about 5 ounces lighter and it has a larger window. I had a Pro, then bought a MRO for another rifle, then sold the Pro and replaced it with another MRO. Also, USA > Sweden. |
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Posted: 2/18/2021 8:53:45 PM EDT
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Trijicon makes MRO's in Michigan and California. I'd rather give my money to the Swedes.
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Posted: 2/18/2021 9:32:32 PM EDT
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Either the PRO or MRO are good to go. I need a few spares just to have around...
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Posted: 2/19/2021 10:19:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trijicon makes MRO's in Michigan and California. I'd rather give my money to the Swedes. Michigan, commie leadership. CA, totalitarian commie wannabe. Sweden, thinks commie is ok, but can't quite totally commit. Red China, the new evil empire, totalitarian commies. Somebody, please make something in Wyoming or Poland. |
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