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A useful quick reference, thanks for posting.
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Solid post.
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No one is coming. It's up to us.
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Wonderful post and solid work as always "M".
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Neat! Thanks!
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Thanks for sharing.
I may be confused, but I don’t see the utility of a “heavy” profile for a 16” barrel. Open to being enlightened. |
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Originally Posted By GHPorter: Thanks for sharing. I may be confused, but I don’t see the utility of a “heavy” profile for a 16” barrel. Open to being enlightened. View Quote More rounds through before significant zero shift, less wear on the grooves due to lower heat. Marines are running 16" bbl on their Squad Automatic Rifle, had better be heavy. |
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Well, isn't this a fine kettle of fish.
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Can't never could 'til try came along.
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Nice, thanks for the info
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How about Defund the BATF instead ? FJB.
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Canada originally wanted to use HBAR barrels in their C7 rifles, but due to the requirement that they be made in Canada, Colt at the time wouldn't allow HBAR barrels to be made in Canada, so Canada went with government profile barrels.
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Originally Posted By Molon: For starters . . . https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/55_blitzkings_from_colt_6721_barrel_22_l-1863711.jpg ... View Quote <This. My 16" Colt 1/9 H-Bar carbine gassed upper was a sub MOA rifle with match grade bullets right out of the gate. Excellent accuracy from a factory chrome lined barrel. My suggestion to everyone buying or building an upper is to consider a mid-weight, SPR, Hoplite or similar profile for accuracy work. 1/7 or 1/8 doesn't matter, barrel quality does. Lightweight barrels can shoot very well, but the mid-weight variety is the best of both worlds. |
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As someone who lives in MD and is only allowed to buy heavy barrels for new rifles, there is no consistency regarding this at all across the industry. As was mentioned in the other thread, Colt and the military call the Socom barrel a heavy barrel. Faxon has heavy barrels that you call medium. FN makes a heavy barrel you would call medium. When your definition conflicts with Colt and FN, two of the most respected barrel manufactures in the industry, you have to take a step back and admit there is no consensus.
EDIT: Not sure if Colt actually makes barrels, but everyone knows FN makes their own barrels. |
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Originally Posted By ericoak: As someone who lives in MD and is only allowed to buy heavy barrels for new rifles, there is no consistency regarding this at all across the industry. As was mentioned in the other thread, Colt and the military call the Socom barrel a heavy barrel. Faxon has heavy barrels that you call medium. FN makes a heavy barrel you would call medium. When your definition conflicts with Colt and FN, two of the most respected barrel manufactures in the industry, you have to take a step back and admit there is no consensus. EDIT: Not sure if Colt actually makes barrels, but everyone knows FN makes their own barrels. View Quote There's no consistency b/c bbl manufacturers want to sell bbls to Maryland AR owners - hence anything can be labeled a heavy bbl. When I get my website going, there will be a normal bbl section, and a Maryland Heavy Bbl section. All the bbls will be in both sections. |
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Well, isn't this a fine kettle of fish.
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Originally Posted By backbencher: There's no consistency b/c bbl manufacturers want to sell bbls to Maryland AR owners - hence anything can be labeled a heavy bbl. When I get my website going, there will be a normal bbl section, and a Maryland Heavy Bbl section. All the bbls will be in both sections. View Quote The US military doesn’t call the Socom barrel a heavy barrel so they can sell to MD. Be careful, pretty sure MSP says it has to be marked or advertised as heavy by the manufacturer, and I’m assuming you aren’t making them. |
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Originally Posted By ericoak: The US military doesn’t call the Socom barrel a heavy barrel so they can sell to MD. Be careful, pretty sure MSP says it has to be marked or advertised as heavy by the manufacturer, and I’m assuming you aren’t making them. View Quote Ah, fair enuf. I do know a custom bbl manufacturer, however. |
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Well, isn't this a fine kettle of fish.
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Very nice. Thanks.
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Can't never could 'til try came along.
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Glad to have you back, Molon.
I finally understand what a "government profile" is and why it's different on the 20" vs 16" guns. Thank you. You should include the BCM enhanced medium weight fluted barrel in the last section. Really neat profile. |
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Great information, as usual, Molon. Thanks.
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Perico y Tuga por vida. Siempre te voy amar.
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Excellent. Molon, site resources just went up.
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GD is like putting on crampons and walking through a room full of puppies.
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I've gone from heavy, to medium, to lightweight.
The nice thing about lightweight is that while they heat up quickly, they also cool quickly. If you're shooting fancy 30rd rapid fire groups, heavy is nice to have. Medium is kind of an awkward in between. |
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Originally Posted By ericoak: The US military doesn't call the Socom barrel a heavy barrel so they can sell to MD. Be careful, pretty sure MSP says it has to be marked or advertised as heavy by the manufacturer, and I'm assuming you aren't making them. View Quote Great writeup and reference as always Molon. |
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Always appreciate the precision of your content & the dedicated to the thoughtful posts.
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- Jarrett
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Now if all the “Socom Hbar” guys out there would read this post
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good stuff thanks
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I like that Hansen profile from ballistic advantage.
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What about the "SPR" contour?
Is it based off anything or is it just a invention of the aftermarket? I have that profile on my 16 inch mid gas carbine (also fluted) and really like it. It adds a little meat to the barrel without adding too much weight. I call it a "happy medium" between a full heavy barrel and the lightweight barrels. It has a standard .750 gas block and diameter forward of it, while being .850 from the GB back, but tapers up to .950 at the barrel nut. |
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Originally Posted By Jeeps-And-Guns: What about the "SPR" contour? Is it based off anything or is it just a invention of the aftermarket? View Quote some spr history |
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Love your posts Molon.
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I try to read just about every post @Molon makes. I have learned a good amount of things that i did not know from reading his very informative posts. Thank you Molon.
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Originally Posted By ericoak: As someone who lives in MD and is only allowed to buy heavy barrels for new rifles, there is no consistency regarding this at all across the industry. As was mentioned in the other thread, Colt and the military call the Socom barrel a heavy barrel. Faxon has heavy barrels that you call medium. FN makes a heavy barrel you would call medium. When your definition conflicts with Colt and FN, two of the most respected barrel manufactures in the industry, you have to take a step back and admit there is no consensus. EDIT: Not sure if Colt actually makes barrels, but everyone knows FN makes their own barrels. View Quote As another MD resident, from what I have been able to find out about the Heavy Barrel profile, the state police don't really have a definition either, but they seem to take a 0.750" gas block seat diameter as the standard for a heavy barrel. |
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Originally Posted By ClemY: As another MD resident, from what I have been able to find out about the Heavy Barrel profile, the state police don't really have a definition either, but they seem to take a 0.750" gas block seat diameter as the standard for a heavy barrel. View Quote I would think that someone who turned out a bbl labeled as Maryland Heavy that everyone else would call a pencil would make a mint. Throw a .750" gas block seat on it, or larger. |
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Well, isn't this a fine kettle of fish.
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Well done
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All that is necessary for Trolls to flourish, is for good men to do nothing.
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All that is necessary for Trolls to flourish, is for good men to do nothing.
In God We Trust. Everyone else must post data. |
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All that is necessary for Trolls to flourish, is for good men to do nothing.
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Thank you, sir. Great thread!
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Very nice
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Those who would give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety
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Big thanks for all your effort to put together this post.
Prime example of signal over noise. |
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All that is necessary for Trolls to flourish, is for good men to do nothing.
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All that is necessary for Trolls to flourish, is for good men to do nothing.
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