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Posted: 4/22/2020 8:00:48 PM EDT
[#1]
Too expensive.
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Posted: 4/22/2020 8:16:38 PM EDT
[#2]
Okay, thank you. I wont buy it. Was tempting as I am new to this market. Looking for a 62+ grain lead less option 5.56/.223 , thank you.
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Posted: 4/22/2020 8:18:39 PM EDT
[#3]
Bullet name too long.
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Posted: 4/22/2020 8:26:35 PM EDT
[#4]
You are killing me lol
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Posted: 4/22/2020 9:01:38 PM EDT
[#5]
It’s an excellent barrier blind round adopted by USMC and NSW. It’s worth it, but there are cheaper options
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Posted: 4/22/2020 9:21:49 PM EDT
[#6]
What would you suggest? At this point I just want a Zinc/Copper Core bullet. 62 Grain+
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Posted: 4/22/2020 10:07:46 PM EDT
[#7]
get solid copper
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Posted: 4/22/2020 10:15:42 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullet name too long. MK318 MOD 1? |
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Posted: 4/22/2020 10:24:29 PM EDT
[#9]
It is the Marine version of the Federal Bear Claw.
How much is Federal Premium Trophy Bonded Tip? About $1.30/round If you need non-lead for hunting there are many options. I got 500 pulls a few years back, haven't loaded any yet. They look great! |
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Posted: 4/22/2020 10:32:46 PM EDT
[#10]
MK318 is my favorite "do all" 5.56 round.
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Posted: 4/23/2020 1:03:19 AM EDT
[#11]
It's an excellent bullet for just about anything outside of match accuracy at distance.
Believe a member here is selling some in the EE. If his posting is still live, I can vouch that he's 100% GTG. |
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Posted: 4/23/2020 1:06:49 AM EDT
[#12]
For your zombie/shtf/boogaloo/whatever it’s a good round. Anything that’s of that nature is going to come in at close to 75 cents to a dollar a round. Is it a steal of a price? No but it’s on par for the course.
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Posted: 4/23/2020 10:05:18 AM EDT
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I bought a bunch of the Mod O a while back. So I'm not interested in any more Mk318. Have we decided which is better? Mod O with lead or Mod 1 w/o lead?
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Posted: 4/23/2020 3:59:49 PM EDT
[#14]
Most of these expensive wunderammo have not given me very good accuracy- this one has been the exception thus far.
I picked up a case to test it more extensively, but my initial impressions is that it's great SBR food. |
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Posted: 4/23/2020 4:37:05 PM EDT
[#15]
318 is exceptionally good ammo.
It’s pretty rare as the word was that DOD was putting a stop to MC centric ammo and all infantry would run 855A1. It’s a problem for the MC as the 416 has huge issues with 855A1 due to the over the beach barrel system. 318 also has average accuracy...it’s not much better than generic 855. Not a big deal, but FYI. |
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Posted: 4/23/2020 5:56:43 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is the Marine version of the Federal Bear Claw. How much is Federal Premium Trophy Bonded Tip? About $1.30/round If you need non-lead for hunting there are many options. I got 500 pulls a few years back, haven't loaded any yet. They look great! It's nothing like the Bearclaw. The FBIT3 does use the TBBC bullet though. |
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Posted: 4/23/2020 6:01:45 PM EDT
[#17]
Accuracy isnt all that great, I got 2-2.5 MOA out of my Colt AR15-A4. I have a friend at Federal that is able to buy from their employee only store and said he can get me a 1k round case of 55gr 556 ammo for $125. He grabbed two cases, one for each of us, and he just stashed his away. When I got home and opened mine it was the Mk318 Mod 1 rounds much to my (and his) surprise, he even tried to get me to give my case back to him
 . If I remember right the box was marked 556TNB1NL, or something along those lines.
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Posted: 4/23/2020 6:12:58 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: get solid copper The round he's talking about IS solid copper. |
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Posted: 4/23/2020 6:52:18 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's nothing like the Bearclaw. The FBIT3 does use the TBBC bullet though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It is the Marine version of the Federal Bear Claw. How much is Federal Premium Trophy Bonded Tip? About $1.30/round If you need non-lead for hunting there are many options. I got 500 pulls a few years back, haven't loaded any yet. They look great! It's nothing like the Bearclaw. The FBIT3 does use the TBBC bullet though. @dubya3 I think you are wrong  Of course MOD 1 is lead-free, but it is the same design. 
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Posted: 4/23/2020 8:48:51 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @dubya3 I think you are wrong https://i2.wp.com/defpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/MK-318-MOD-0.jpg?fit=1280%2C720&ssl=1 Of course MOD 1 is lead-free, but it is the same design. https://www.federalpremium.com/dw/image/v2/BDBJ_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-vista-master-catalog/default/dw1c0cf7cd/images/large/TBBC_BCU.jpg?sw=800&sh=800&sm=fit That picture is the only similarity between them. |
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Posted: 4/23/2020 8:59:05 PM EDT
[#21]
Mk318 is not a bonded bullet.
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Posted: 4/23/2020 8:59:26 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @dubya3 I think you are wrong https://i2.wp.com/defpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/MK-318-MOD-0.jpg?fit=1280%2C720&ssl=1 Of course MOD 1 is lead-free, but it is the same design. https://www.federalpremium.com/dw/image/v2/BDBJ_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-vista-master-catalog/default/dw1c0cf7cd/images/large/TBBC_BCU.jpg?sw=800&sh=800&sm=fit So explain how the Mod 1 is a Bear Claw again.... just because the construction is similar to one doesn't make it a Bear Claw. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 2:12:14 PM EDT
[#23]
So we have the Army using m855a1 and the The Marines using MK318.
Is that wise. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 2:36:44 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mk318 is not a bonded bullet. The FBI version is bonded...same round, minor mods to the projectile. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 2:38:11 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So explain how the Mod 1 is a Bear Claw again.... just because the construction is similar to one doesn't make it a Bear Claw. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @dubya3 I think you are wrong https://i2.wp.com/defpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/MK-318-MOD-0.jpg?fit=1280%2C720&ssl=1 Of course MOD 1 is lead-free, but it is the same design. https://www.federalpremium.com/dw/image/v2/BDBJ_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-vista-master-catalog/default/dw1c0cf7cd/images/large/TBBC_BCU.jpg?sw=800&sh=800&sm=fit So explain how the Mod 1 is a Bear Claw again.... just because the construction is similar to one doesn't make it a Bear Claw. 318 is derived from the old Trophy Bonded Bear Claw. It is the exact same concept if you look at both in cutaway. The MC made some changes to make it less $$ and to make it match existing reticles in their optics. Either way, it is pretty much the same bullet. When the FBI adopted it, they went with a bonded version. |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 3:45:22 PM EDT
[#26]
The Mk318 and the TBBC (Trophy Bonded Bear Claw) are very different bullets. They may look similar in a cutaway and may have the same pedigree but still very different. The Mod 1 is even more different in that it has no lead.
It's like saying a Jeep Wrangler is the same as a Grand Cherokee... |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 6:48:31 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Mk318 and the TBBC (Trophy Bonded Bear Claw) are very different bullets. They may look similar in a cutaway and may have the same pedigree but still very different. The Mod 1 is even more different in that it has no lead. It's like saying a Jeep Wrangler is the same as a Grand Cherokee... One is bonded, one is not. Different core shapes. Different projectile geometry. One is a softpoint, one is a hollowpoint. One has radial grooves strategically placed to facilitate fragmentation, one has a cannelure to prevent setback One is meant to retain 95%+ weight, one is meant to have a "rear penetrator" and shed the front. They are both made of copper, zinc, and lead. They are both available in sealed 5.56 loadings. Both projectiles weigh 62 grains, initial. More like a Jeep Wrangler and Dodge Challenger at this point, IMO |
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Posted: 4/24/2020 6:50:15 PM EDT
[#28]
I wouldn’t. Gel tests show that it fragments less than the cheaper mod 0 (though that might not be available at the moment). I’d rather get a similarly performing load that’s a lot cheaper (62gr fusion/64gr gold dot) or a more expensive load like black hills 77gr TMK that excels for home defense uses.
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Posted: 4/24/2020 8:09:18 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One is bonded, one is not. Different core shapes. Different projectile geometry. One is a softpoint, one is a hollowpoint. One has radial grooves strategically placed to facilitate fragmentation, one has a cannelure to prevent setback One is meant to retain 95%+ weight, one is meant to have a "rear penetrator" and shed the front. They are both made of copper, zinc, and lead. They are both available in sealed 5.56 loadings. Both projectiles weigh 62 grains, initial. More like a Jeep Wrangler and Dodge Challenger at this point, IMO Yep...other than that, they're identical. 
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Posted: 4/24/2020 8:39:57 PM EDT
[#30]
am I in the twilight zone?
I said: "It is the Marine version of the Federal Bear Claw" He said: "It's nothing like the Bearclaw" To say the MK318MOD1 is "nothing like" is wrong. |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 1:49:35 AM EDT
[#31]
The original developmental round was a 77gr bonded bullet. Believe it or not.
Changed to 62gr to track in ACOG and Elcan BDC reticles. Changed to non-bonded to make it easier to manufacture |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 11:43:50 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The original developmental round was a 77gr bonded bullet. Believe it or not. Changed to 62gr to track in ACOG and Elcan BDC reticles. Changed to non-bonded to make it easier to manufacture This is true. I wish they had stuck with 77gr bonded.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 1:03:27 PM EDT
[#33]
Does anyone know what the front core is made out of on the Mod 1? Had anyone sectioned one yet? There was some thinking that it was sintered copper.
Whatever is actually is, all the desire to 'go green' did was to reduce the amount of fragmentation due to the lead core in the Mod 0 |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 1:10:55 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is true. I wish they had stuck with 77gr bonded.https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/453733/pic8_jpg-1385695.JPG Interesting. I would have guessed they didn't go with the bonded to stay inline with the Hague Declaration, which we never signed. |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 3:14:20 PM EDT
[#35]
MK318 MOD1 is a solid round.
I'm sitting on some of it that I got as "visual 2nds" but I'll let it go for $1.50-$2.00 if we have a major panic/ammo shortage. 
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Posted: 4/25/2020 3:19:53 PM EDT
[#36]
Heard a rumor that they removed the lead from the primers of the mod1 too, and that it may affect shelf life.
Hope it's just internet b.s. as I have about 500 hundred rounds of the stuff. |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 4:55:40 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Heard a rumor that they removed the lead from the primers of the mod1 too, and that it may affect shelf life. Hope it's just internet b.s. as I have about 500 hundred rounds of the stuff. Call Federal and ask. I kinda doubt it. Military rounds need to be reliable beyond all else. |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 5:11:14 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: MK318 MOD1 is a solid round. I'm sitting on some of it that I got as "visual 2nds" but I'll let it go for $1.50-$2.00 if we have a major panic/ammo shortage. check out this gel test. you can clearly see the lower copper penetrator left after the top fragments. are you saying that the core is one solid piece of copper? I don't see how that could be possible with the bullet being pretty much the same length as the Mod 0 with the top lead core  The Marine Corps' New Hotness: Mk318 Mod1 |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 10:55:46 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: check out this gel test. you can clearly see the lower copper penetrator left after the top fragments. are you saying that the core is one solid piece of copper? I don't see how that could be possible with the bullet being pretty much the same length as the Mod 0 with the top lead core  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFxJPfY6m7wI meant it’s a solid choice in a SD round, not that the round is physically one piece 
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Posted: 4/26/2020 8:04:06 AM EDT
[#40]
So is there any difference between the Mod 0 vs Mod 1 in regards to terminal ballistics? I have around 600 rounds of the Mod 0.
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Posted: 4/26/2020 9:00:02 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Accuracy isnt all that great, I got 2-2.5 MOA out of my Colt AR15-A4. I have a friend at Federal that is able to buy from their employee only store and said he can get me a 1k round case of 55gr 556 ammo for $125. He grabbed two cases, one for each of us, and he just stashed his away. When I got home and opened mine it was the Mk318 Mod 1 rounds much to my (and his) surprise, he even tried to get me to give my case back to him . If I remember right the box was marked 556TNB1NL, or something along those lines.Dang talk about a score! |
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Posted: 5/3/2020 12:10:49 PM EDT
[#42]
My 10.3" URGs love the stuff. Second most accurate load I've got available after Mk262. Keeping this case of Mk318 as my go to ammo after I'm out of Mk262. Use M855 and M8551 for training.
 Attached FileCD |
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Posted: 5/4/2020 1:52:28 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Happy2shoot: am I in the twilight zone? I said: "It is the Marine version of the Federal Bear Claw" He said: "It's nothing like the Bearclaw" To say the MK318MOD1 is "nothing like" is wrong. The point is its NOT a Bearclaw so stop calling it one. Mod 1 = full copper with a reverse drawn nickel jacket 62gr open tip match TBBC (FBIT3) = 62gr bonded softpoint. If anything it's far closer to a GoldDot than anything else, especially the Mk318 Mod 1. I have no idea where a couple of you are getting the idea they're the same bullet |
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Posted: 5/23/2020 3:53:39 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So we have the Army using m855a1 and the The Marines using MK318. Is that wise. MK318 production has ceased, and Marines will be using the 855A1. MK318 was the better round, though. |
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Posted: 5/23/2020 7:57:37 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: MK318 production has ceased, and Marines will be using the 855A1. MK318 was the better round, though. Didn't the DOD make the decision for the USMC? |
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Posted: 5/24/2020 7:16:39 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't the DOD make the decision for the USMC? One of our members messaged me and advised that the USMC is endrunning that directive, so they'll still have the MK318. |
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Posted: 5/24/2020 8:31:57 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One of our members messaged me and advised that the USMC is endrunning that directive, so they'll still have the MK318. How did they get permission to spend the money? |
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Posted: 5/24/2020 11:49:04 PM EDT
[#48]
Shot a couple of 10 round groups at 100 yds yesterday from my AUG-A1. It's noticeably more precise than the Mod 0. Groups were 1 3/4" and 1 7/8"
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Posted: 7/18/2020 3:59:53 PM EDT
[#49]
Finally, a pic of a sectioned Mk318 Mod 1 bullet
 2 kinds of copper for the cores? |
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Posted: 7/21/2020 12:47:24 PM EDT
[#50]
Good Ammo.
But I dont buy Ammo I cannot afford to stack deep. |
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