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Posted: 7/2/2020 8:16:43 PM EDT
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I only replace the black followers.
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Posted: 7/2/2020 8:19:40 PM EDT
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They’ll run fine.
Lots of Okay/Colt mismatched mags out there. They’re all from the same place. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 8:35:01 PM EDT
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I've got late 90s/early 2k Okay mags with green followers that are 100% gtg.
Magpul followers are always solid kit. Personally I'd not change unless you have issues. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 8:35:48 PM EDT
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Shoot them until you have a problem.
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Posted: 7/2/2020 8:48:50 PM EDT
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good mags
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Posted: 7/12/2020 9:27:44 AM EDT
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Unless you are having an issue with any of them, I'll just leave them alone. I still have no issues with green followers shooting semi/full auto, suppressed/unsuppressed. (M855, M855A1, Mk262, Mk318 all out of 10.3"/14.5" guns)
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Posted: 7/12/2020 10:24:32 AM EDT
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Wow Times sure have changed. Ten years if someone asked this question the peanut gallery would ask why you would ask such a stupid question. Any suggestion of leaving the stock USGI followers would be met with instant scorn and a warning that anything besides a non- tilting magazine follower you would surely die ( even if you were strictly a range only shooter). I believe l was labeled a troll and hater for suggesting the USGI followers we're pretty good.
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Posted: 7/12/2020 10:35:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow Times sure have changed. Ten years if someone asked this question the peanut gallery would ask why you would ask such a stupid question. Any suggestion of leaving the stock USGI followers would be met with instant scorn and a warning that anything besides a non- tilting magazine follower you would surely die ( even if you were strictly a range only shooter). I believe l was labeled a troll and hater for suggesting the USGI followers we're pretty good. Green followers fix most issues. Black GI followers suck and allow bolt over base malfunctions. Black followers should be replaced. The upgrade between a black follower and a green one is huge. The difference between a green follower and a Magpul follower is much smaller. Green followers ARE anti-tilt followers. |
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Posted: 7/12/2020 12:31:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow Times sure have changed. Ten years if someone asked this question the peanut gallery would ask why you would ask such a stupid question. Any suggestion of leaving the stock USGI followers would be met with instant scorn and a warning that anything besides a non- tilting magazine follower you would surely die ( even if you were strictly a range only shooter). I believe l was labeled a troll and hater for suggesting the USGI followers we're pretty good. At least you got over it. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:55:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow Times sure have changed. Ten years if someone asked this question the peanut gallery would ask why you would ask such a stupid question. Any suggestion of leaving the stock USGI followers would be met with instant scorn and a warning that anything besides a non- tilting magazine follower you would surely die ( even if you were strictly a range only shooter). I believe l was labeled a troll and hater for suggesting the USGI followers we're pretty good. I think your perspective, and maybe even your recollection might be a little skewed. Heck, I bet the black followers worked well in newer magazines. Throw in a little contamination and some worn springs, and their design flaw began to show up. That is when/why the military started going to the green anti-tilt followers. Both were USGI, by the way. Also, I don't know if the black followers in 20 round mags are the same as the problematic black followers in the 30 round magazines, but they don't seem to cause problems in the 20 rounders. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:13:11 PM EDT
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I’ve used black follower mags since the late 80s and have never had a single issue. And that includes combat.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 5:13:34 PM EDT
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I’ve seen plenty of malfunctions with black follower mags. It involves the bolt overdoing the base of the cartridge in the last five rounds.
Something almost never seen with green follower mags because the protrusion on the front of the follower prevents the rear of the cartridge being presented at a low angle. The type of Malfunction was known since the 30 round magazine was introduced circa 1969. The design that was eventually colored green to differentiate it from the black follower was developed in the mid-1980s and implemented in the early 1990s initially. I have upgraded countless numbers of Circle Kay and Adventureland magazines with Magpul followers. The bolt over base malfunwas The most common malfunction in the M-16 series prior to the introduction of the green follower. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 7:47:52 PM EDT
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As a matter of course, I ONLY use Okay Industries magazines (except for a few others I only use on the range).
ALL are modified with Magpul Gen III Yellow followers and Magpul Ranger L floor plates. It’s simply (and CHEAPLY) eliminating a couple of POSSIBLE failure points. |
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Posted: 7/15/2020 7:22:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At least you got over it. Yes. Don't know which is worse for my ego, being called a troll by some anonymous person on the internet or being called a troll by Larry Panka. |
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Posted: 7/15/2020 7:28:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think your perspective, and maybe even your recollection might be a little skewed. Heck, I bet the black followers worked well in newer magazines. Throw in a little contamination and some worn springs, and their design flaw began to show up. That is when/why the military started going to the green anti-tilt followers. Both were USGI, by the way. Also, I don't know if the black followers in 20 round mags are the same as the problematic black followers in the 30 round magazines, but they don't seem to cause problems in the 20 rounders. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wow Times sure have changed. Ten years if someone asked this question the peanut gallery would ask why you would ask such a stupid question. Any suggestion of leaving the stock USGI followers would be met with instant scorn and a warning that anything besides a non- tilting magazine follower you would surely die ( even if you were strictly a range only shooter). I believe l was labeled a troll and hater for suggesting the USGI followers we're pretty good. I think your perspective, and maybe even your recollection might be a little skewed. Heck, I bet the black followers worked well in newer magazines. Throw in a little contamination and some worn springs, and their design flaw began to show up. That is when/why the military started going to the green anti-tilt followers. Both were USGI, by the way. Also, I don't know if the black followers in 20 round mags are the same as the problematic black followers in the 30 round magazines, but they don't seem to cause problems in the 20 rounders. Black followers present zero problems in straight magazines. The military invented and patented the first go at improving the followers. It takes thousands of rounds of shooting to see an improvement. My memory of events from back then is spot on. This place goes through cycles and fads more than The National Enquirer |
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Posted: 7/18/2020 10:04:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As a matter of course, I ONLY use Okay Industries magazines (except for a few others I only use on the range). ALL are modified with Magpul Gen III Yellow followers and Magpul Ranger L floor plates. It’s simply (and CHEAPLY) eliminating a couple of POSSIBLE failure points. This. I'm sure Okay mags (minus black followers will be fine) but I wasnt a fan of the green/sea foam green followers. The second I push the front down, it would nose dive. Swapped all mine out with the FDE magpul followers you can get from DSG arms where a 10 packs only cost 12 bucks. As others have said, they should be fine, but upgrade if it bothers you. |
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Posted: 7/22/2020 1:49:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think your perspective, and maybe even your recollection might be a little skewed. Heck, I bet the black followers worked well in newer magazines. Throw in a little contamination and some worn springs, and their design flaw began to show up. That is when/why the military started going to the green anti-tilt followers. Both were USGI, by the way. Also, I don't know if the black followers in 20 round mags are the same as the problematic black followers in the 30 round magazines, but they don't seem to cause problems in the 20 rounders. I've been running with black followers since 1987, when they were the only followers, and have yet to have a single issue. Used in both the M16A2 and the first variant of the M249 SAW with the selective rate of fire, not any issues, used them in deserts, jungles, on mountains, in snow up to my backside. Used them in combat, even traded the then new green follower mags for the old black followers. So not only have I never had any failures, I've actually bet my life on them. I am still using several of those old magazines to this day with out failure. Feel free to ask me what I had to do to get brand new green follower Center Industries mags running correctly in 2004 during our mob for Iraq. |
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Posted: 7/23/2020 4:45:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been running with black followers since 1987, when they were the only followers, and have yet to have a single issue. Used in both the M16A2 and the first variant of the M249 SAW with the selective rate of fire, not any issues, used them in deserts, jungles, on mountains, in snow up to my backside. Used them in combat, even traded the then new green follower mags for the old black followers. So not only have I never had any failures, I've actually bet my life on them. I am still using several of those old magazines to this day with out failure. Feel free to ask me what I had to do to get brand new green follower Center Industries mags running correctly in 2004 during our mob for Iraq. I am glad they have worked out for you. But the Marine Corps replaced them for a reason. In 12 years in the Marine Corps, I only had about a handful of feed problems during training and yearly qualifications. By isolating and marking my magazines, the problems always came back to the black follower magazines. When it was time to turn in the gear at the end of the day, I would ask the armorer for green follower magazines and they swapped the magazines out for me. I longer had any problems when I got rid of the black follower magazines. You had your experiences, I had mine. Many more people's experience with the black followers aligns with mine than it does with yours. That is why they were phased out. And this was long before it was cool to follow every trend on gun forums. |
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Posted: 7/23/2020 5:25:28 AM EDT
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I seem to see a pattern with the magazines. If an individual is issued and maintains those mags for the entire time in that unit, not many issues. If on the other hand, magazines are issued out every time then their are issues. There is no incentive for people not to trash their mags. I always maintained my mags and if I had an issue with one, it was immediately taken out of rotation to trouble shoot.
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Posted: 7/29/2020 9:25:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: I helped clean up an estate and it had a substantial number of Okay magazines, all from 4/99. Marked on the bodies 33710,LE and government use only,and strangely Colts manufacturing. All with Okay floorplates. They are all new and all like this so I'm sure it's a factory mismatch. All have green followers. I shoot semi auto and all M193 or 62gr fusion. Any compelling reason to switch out the followers for Magpul? I replace all followers on any surplus USGI mags with the Magpul followers. I would rather have 100% confidence in the follower not being the weak point. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:12:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've got late 90s/early 2k Okay mags with green followers that are 100% gtg. Magpul followers are always solid kit. Personally I'd not change unless you have issues. Tigmeister is correct for a thousand! |
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