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Posted: 8/28/2023 8:22:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: EdgecrusherXES]
I am looking at the Vortex Viper PST2 2-10x scope and wanted some opinions from people who own, have used them, or have something similar in the magnification range. I have LPVO covered and also high magnification scopes well cover but they just are not practical for something I want to be more as a DMR type rifle or fun range setup that I will be shooting off hand or prone.
How useable is the 2x inside the 50m shooting off hand? I know it is not a red dot but is it useable somewhat in that type of role like a LPVO? Any input you would just like to share really wanting any opinions of these? This is going on a 16" 308 rifle AR10 and SCAR 17. More than likely I will not shoot it past 400m very often maybe once/twice a year and ultimately max range I have access to is 900m but I can always pull out a 25x scope.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 8:29:12 AM EST
[#1]
I like the PA 2.5-10 GLx.
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Posted: 8/28/2023 8:39:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: WUPHF]
[#2]
Just recently picked up a Credo 2-10x. Overall it seems fairly promising and the glass is decent. I’ll know more in a few weeks when I get some time to really wring it out.
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Posted: 8/28/2023 8:49:10 AM EST
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I have that exact same scope on a 20" AR that I use from 25 meters to 600 yards. FFP scope. The reticle does get pretty fucking tiny at 2x. But still usable, since you're just going with a dead-nuts hold.
At the other end, very user-friendly to make good hits at 400-500-600 yards. One of our other instructors used it to put 5 shots in the 5-ring on our D target at 600 yards, in prone. I hate when other people shoot my rifle better than me. 
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Posted: 8/28/2023 9:23:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By intheburbs: I have that exact same scope on a 20" AR that I use from 25 meters to 600 yards. FFP scope. The reticle does get pretty fucking tiny at 2x. But still usable, since you're just going with a dead-nuts hold. At the other end, very user-friendly to make good hits at 400-500-600 yards. One of our other instructors used it to put 5 shots in the 5-ring on our D target at 600 yards, in prone. I hate when other people shoot my rifle better than me. That is just part of the game someone is always going to be better and it sure does sting when they take your rifle and do better but you know it drives me to be better. Plus I do that to some people myself when you have a friend say oh something is wrong with my rifle and you run a nice group through it leaving them wondering WTF. I do not really anticipate using a lot of long range but I am kind getting this scope in place of getting a Razor 1-10x that is over double the price. How forgiving is the eye box is it fairly on part with the 1-6x? @intheburbs Care to share a pic of your setup? Thanks for the insight... |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 10:33:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: intheburbs]
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EdgecrusherXES: That is just part of the game someone is always going to be better and it sure does sting when they take your rifle and do better but you know it drives me to be better. Plus I do that to some people myself when you have a friend say oh something is wrong with my rifle and you run a nice group through it leaving them wondering WTF. I do not really anticipate using a lot of long range but I am kind getting this scope in place of getting a Razor 1-10x that is over double the price. How forgiving is the eye box is it fairly on part with the 1-6x? @intheburbs Care to share a pic of your setup? Thanks for the insight... @EdgecrusherXES Eye box is pretty forgiving. I have mine set up for NTCH, but I can easily go a bit fore and aft and keep a good sight picture. Not instant distortion if you creep 1mm outside the eye box. Easy cheekweld, NTCH and I have a perfect sight picture. She's a Frankengun - Anderson lower, Fail Zero upper and BCG, MWI slim hand guards, loudener  - but has the important stuff; LaRue stealth barrel and Geissele SSA-E trigger (or maybe this has the MBT?).  I have a Vortex 1-6 on my SR762. It's coming off as soon as I figure out a replacement optic and budget the funds. It's good out to about 200 yards, then starts to go sideways at 300, and fucking horrible at 400. Maybe it's me, but I need something else. Gonna go with a "normal" scope, not a LPVO. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 10:34:16 AM EST
[#6]
I'm a huge fan of the little Nightforce NXS. Great eyebox, good enough glass, adjustable parallax, durable as hell, all in a lightweight package. Much better than an LPVO for what you're looking to do, in my opinion. I've heard great things about the Vortex and Credo as well, and the 2-10 Weaver used to make was an excellent option too if you can find one used. I haven't played with the Primary Arms 2-10.
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Posted: 8/28/2023 11:02:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: EdgecrusherXES]
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By intheburbs: @EdgecrusherXES Eye box is pretty forgiving. I have mine set up for NTCH, but I can easily go a bit fore and aft and keep a good sight picture. Not instant distortion if you creep 1mm outside the eye box. Easy cheekweld, NTCH and I have a perfect sight picture. She's a Frankengun - Anderson lower, Fail Zero upper and BCG, MWI slim hand guards, loudener - but has the important stuff; LaRue stealth barrel and Geissele SSA-E trigger (or maybe this has the MBT?). https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/145716/20230828_111434-2935008.jpg I have a Vortex 1-6 on my SR762. It's coming off as soon as I figure out a replacement optic and budget the funds. It's good out to about 200 yards, then starts to go sideways at 300, and fucking horrible at 400. Maybe it's me, but I need something else. Gonna go with a "normal" scope, not a LPVO. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By intheburbs: @EdgecrusherXES Eye box is pretty forgiving. I have mine set up for NTCH, but I can easily go a bit fore and aft and keep a good sight picture. Not instant distortion if you creep 1mm outside the eye box. Easy cheekweld, NTCH and I have a perfect sight picture. She's a Frankengun - Anderson lower, Fail Zero upper and BCG, MWI slim hand guards, loudener - but has the important stuff; LaRue stealth barrel and Geissele SSA-E trigger (or maybe this has the MBT?). https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/145716/20230828_111434-2935008.jpg I have a Vortex 1-6 on my SR762. It's coming off as soon as I figure out a replacement optic and budget the funds. It's good out to about 200 yards, then starts to go sideways at 300, and fucking horrible at 400. Maybe it's me, but I need something else. Gonna go with a "normal" scope, not a LPVO. I use my 1-6x often primarily on my go to end of the world AR. I have a lot of experience behind it in competition or just fun shooting. I like that it is SFP and the rifle for me just works great in the LPVO no clutter just the simple hash marked cross hair. Furthest I have shot it was at 500 and I was doing ok it just was hard to spot splashes so I was relying on a friend who has very limited experience spotting which made it most difficult. I think with a better spotter it would have been a better experience. When I went into a gun store to look through one or just fingering one the guy really had no middle ground optics plus all he wanted to do is sell my high magnification optics. I had to finally tell the guy I have high power scopes and I do not need another but I do not want an LPVO while I can appreciate their purpose what I am imagining is not a setup with a LPVO. The other alternative is to get a 1-10x LPVO but I do not want to spend the price for what a really good one cost and I do not want to cheap out and get a cheap 1-10x where it distorts the moment you are a little off. Originally Posted By adavis: I'm a huge fan of the little Nightforce NXS. Great eyebox, good enough glass, adjustable parallax, durable as hell, all in a lightweight package. Much better than an LPVO for what you're looking to do, in my opinion. I've heard great things about the Vortex and Credo as well, and the 2-10 Weaver used to make was an excellent option too if you can find one used. I haven't played with the Primary Arms 2-10. You are definitely catching onto what I am after... The other people I have asked keep pushing LPVO or high power. I think the 2x will be somewhat close to useable as a 2x kind of red dotish role where off hand inside 50m would work great. I will check out the NXS and Credo see if I can find one locally to look through. Just looked at the price for the NF I am sure I would like it but little out of my budget trying to stay under 800. I am sure it is an outstanding optic but that is just not in the cards with me having the pay for daycare and other new expenses. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 11:55:00 AM EST
[#8]
I’ve been running a couple rifles with a 2.5-10x24 NXS and offset red dot for several years. It is a great optic combination for a 600 yard rifle. I may change to a LPVO or something with higher magnification if I feel the rifle is better suited, but the 2.5-10 is always my go to setup for any rifle that I’ll shoot at mid to long range.
  
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 8/28/2023 12:36:08 PM EST
[#9]
I have the 1st gen Vortex Viper 2-10x32. I love the scope but the lack of usefulness on 2x prompted me to look for something else and the only thing I found was the PA GLX.
Bought it and love it. I was willing to spend up to 2K for something but they all sucked on 2x. Most disappointing was the NF 2.5-20 which was worse than the Vortex and seemed like twice the weight. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 8/28/2023 2:18:32 PM EST
[#10]
I like my NXS 2.5-10x42mm. I wish it had a 1 mill tree, FFP, and capped windage. I concur NX8 2.5-20 tries too hard and therefore weighs too much.
Recent Range Trip. It's not as easy as a red dot. 
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Posted: 8/28/2023 2:25:31 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rokchukrslave: I have the 1st gen Vortex Viper 2-10x32. I love the scope but the lack of usefulness on 2x prompted me to look for something else and the only thing I found was the PA GLX. Bought it and love it. I was willing to spend up to 2K for something but they all sucked on 2x. Most disappointing was the NF 2.5-20 which was worse than the Vortex and seemed like twice the weight. What sucked? I am not sure what you mean by that. What were you doing that sucked? |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 2:33:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PistoleroJesse: I like my NXS 2.5-10x42mm. I wish it had a 1 mill tree, FFP, and capped windage. I concur NX8 2.5-20 tries too hard and therefore weighs too much. Recent Range Trip. It's not as easy as a red dot. https://i.imgur.com/hNS9cp2.jpeg I do not expect it would be the most ideal or perfect optic to use at but more an option that could be workable. LPVO's are exactly ideal with using as a red dot but work really well at being the middle ground of being a red dot and magnified optic. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 8/28/2023 3:47:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EdgecrusherXES: What sucked? I am not sure what you mean by that. What were you doing that sucked? The reticles are very thin. The only real way around it besides reticle choice would be illumination that is red dot bright but it seems the technology is not quite there yet. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 3:56:59 PM EST
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I have the gen2 pst 2-10 on my SPR. I love it and have been beating on it for 1.5 years now. It still tracks well after several gasgun matches. One of my squad mates has the 2-10 nxs and that will be my next purchase if I can get over the fact that it’s a SFP scope.
I want to like the primary arms 2-10 but it bothers me that they put a chevron reticle on everything.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 4:20:04 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DirtDivision: I have the gen2 pst 2-10 on my SPR. I love it and have been beating on it for 1.5 years now. It still tracks well after several gasgun matches. One of my squad mates has the 2-10 nxs and that will be my next purchase if I can get over the fact that it’s a SFP scope. I want to like the primary arms 2-10 but it bothers me that they put a chevron reticle on everything. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/245997/C775ED24-E416-4E10-B995-0ABE86D2AE49_jpe-2935347.JPG The chevron is the only reason I have not bought another PA optic. I have the 5x Gen3 and like everything about it except the chevron and have the Vortex 5x as well but like the reticle more on it. How is the 2x shooting up close inside the 25-50m range? @DirtDivision |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 4:22:04 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EdgecrusherXES: The chevron is the only reason I have not bought another PA optic. I have the 5x Gen3 and like everything about it except the chevron and have the Vortex 5x as well but like the reticle more on it. How is the 2x shooting up close inside the 25-50m range? @DirtDivision Full disclosure…… don’t really know. I haven’t tried it…… only time I’ve shot that close was initial sight in to get on paper. Everything else is 100 yards and greater. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 4:25:52 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DirtDivision: Full disclosure…… don’t really know. I haven’t tried it…… only time I’ve shot that close was initial sight in to get on paper. Everything else is 100 yards and greater. Fair enough thanks for being honest! I periodically go on hog hunts and sometimes we take shots close in and I really do not want to add a red dot on top of or offset from the scope. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 4:48:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EdgecrusherXES: Fair enough thanks for being honest! I periodically go on hog hunts and sometimes we take shots close in and I really do not want to add a red dot on top of or offset from the scope. I think it would work fine but now I kinda wanna train for shorter shots after that realization. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 7:03:28 PM EST
[#19]
The 2-10 gen2 PST viper has the largest 2x FoV and it helps with target acquisition at shorter ranges, however the reticle at 2x looks like a fine crosshair, but with thicker outer bars to help draw your eye to the center. The illumination helps a lot at 2x for low light, and it gets bright enough to use without illumination bleeding through the reticle, easily the best illumination out of all the 2-10s out there, but not daylight bright.
In the 25-50m range, I'd say you'd have no problem with speed, it may not be as fast as a 1x at 25m but might be equivalent at 50m. Depends on the individual, but I'd say the Viper 2-10 is closer to LPVO speed than the other 2-10s, the eyebox is super forgiving and the occular presents a large clear image with almost disappearing scope body. I played with a few 2-10 options and stuck with the Credo though, mainly due to reticle preference and the fact that performance wise, they're all pretty close. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 7:34:31 PM EST
[#20]
I have the first (non-illuminated) generation of this scope.
OverallI really like it, clear glass, good magnification range, and lightweight. Scar 17 killed it in short order. Vortex rebuilt it under warranty. I asked the tech that was doing the warranty work if it would be a good contender to go back on the scar after being fixed. He said that the optic coming out of repair would actually be better than a new one, as they repair them in the United States and really don’t want to repair them multiple times. He intimated I should use a different optic I put a NF 2-10 NXS on it with no problems. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 8:51:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: EdgecrusherXES]
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rubicon777: I have the first (non-illuminated) generation of this scope. OverallI really like it, clear glass, good magnification range, and lightweight. Scar 17 killed it in short order. Vortex rebuilt it under warranty. I asked the tech that was doing the warranty work if it would be a good contender to go back on the scar after being fixed. He said that the optic coming out of repair would actually be better than a new one, as they repair them in the United States and really don’t want to repair them multiple times. He intimated I should use a different optic I put a NF 2-10 NXS on it with no problems. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rubicon777: I have the first (non-illuminated) generation of this scope. OverallI really like it, clear glass, good magnification range, and lightweight. Scar 17 killed it in short order. Vortex rebuilt it under warranty. I asked the tech that was doing the warranty work if it would be a good contender to go back on the scar after being fixed. He said that the optic coming out of repair would actually be better than a new one, as they repair them in the United States and really don’t want to repair them multiple times. He intimated I should use a different optic I put a NF 2-10 NXS on it with no problems. I intend to use it on the SCAR and AR308. Right now I have a 5x PA prism on my SCAR it is a nice optic but the SCAR will loosen the battery cap over about 50-60 rounds making the illumination turn off and on. So it is kind of a replacement for that. Originally Posted By Jeeper21: The 2-10 gen2 PST viper has the largest 2x FoV and it helps with target acquisition at shorter ranges, however the reticle at 2x looks like a fine crosshair, but with thicker outer bars to help draw your eye to the center. The illumination helps a lot at 2x for low light, and it gets bright enough to use without illumination bleeding through the reticle, easily the best illumination out of all the 2-10s out there, but not daylight bright. In the 25-50m range, I'd say you'd have no problem with speed, it may not be as fast as a 1x at 25m but might be equivalent at 50m. Depends on the individual, but I'd say the Viper 2-10 is closer to LPVO speed than the other 2-10s, the eyebox is super forgiving and the occular presents a large clear image with almost disappearing scope body. I played with a few 2-10 options and stuck with the Credo though, mainly due to reticle preference and the fact that performance wise, they're all pretty close. Great info thanks! |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 10:01:21 PM EST
[#22]
I know its discontinued but I picked up a sig tango 4 3-12 42 for a gas gun scope. I got it used for a very good price, and I am impressed. I have shot it out to 600 yards and as close as 50 yards at a match. It is damn clear, I could see a 4 inch plate at 400 yards with no issue and could spot splash at 600 with out issue. It is a bdc moa scope, but they will still do custom marked turrets for your load/range.
I used strelok pro to get the ranges on the bdc for my ammo. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:01:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: adavis]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StaccatoC2: I know its discontinued but I picked up a sig tango 4 3-12 42 for a gas gun scope. I got it used for a very good price, and I am impressed. I have shot it out to 600 yards and as close as 50 yards at a match. It is damn clear, I could see a 4 inch plate at 400 yards with no issue and could spot splash at 600 with out issue. It is a bdc moa scope, but they will still do custom marked turrets for your load/range. I used strelok pro to get the ranges on the bdc for my ammo. The Sig Whiskey 5 scopes are really nice as well. The 2-10 is an excellent option if you can find one in stock for the right price. Made at LOW, locking elevation, illuminated reticle, etc. I used one next to a Nightforce SHV 3-10x42 and couldn't tell a difference. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:01:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: adavis]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StaccatoC2: I know its discontinued but I picked up a sig tango 4 3-12 42 for a gas gun scope. I got it used for a very good price, and I am impressed. I have shot it out to 600 yards and as close as 50 yards at a match. It is damn clear, I could see a 4 inch plate at 400 yards with no issue and could spot splash at 600 with out issue. It is a bdc moa scope, but they will still do custom marked turrets for your load/range. I used strelok pro to get the ranges on the bdc for my ammo. Double tap |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 12:08:20 PM EST
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A buddy of mine went credo 2-10, glass will be better than vortex. I can’t speak on the 2-10 scopes but with 1-8 ffp o usually use 2x when shooting 3gun matches and they have plate rack at 50 as part of the stage.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2023 3:30:31 PM EST
[#26]
I looked at the credo but the lack of side focus was a no-go and why I'm not a big fan of LPVO's.
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Posted: 8/29/2023 5:00:53 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rokchukrslave: I looked at the credo but the lack of side focus was a no-go and why I'm not a big fan of LPVO's. The only 2-10's I can think of with adjustable parallax are the NXS and maybe the XTR II. Even my S&B Polar 2-10 doesn't have it 
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Posted: 8/29/2023 5:02:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: RKB_Armory]
[#28]
Here's a good deal on a lightly used Vortex Viper PST Gen II 2-10x32. Well under your budget. This one has adjustable parallax.
Here's a lightly used Leupold VX-5HD 2-10x42. It's a little more expensive, but only 17 ounces. $25.00 over your budget. We're offering free shipping (starting tomorrow) through Labor Day. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2023 5:44:15 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EdgecrusherXES: I do not expect it would be the most ideal or perfect optic to use at but more an option that could be workable. LPVO's are exactly ideal with using as a red dot but work really well at being the middle ground of being a red dot and magnified optic. It was really just to validate that the weight and cost of a T2 looks to be worthwhile. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 6:02:52 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By adavis: The only 2-10's I can think of with adjustable parallax are the NXS and maybe the XTR II. Even my S&B Polar 2-10 doesn't have it Trijicon 2.5-12.5x42 probably deserves a look at if the NXS 2.5-10x42mm is on your list. Burris Veracity 2-10x42 is another. Trijicon Credo 2.5-15x42 is a bit high in magnification for a sfp in my estimation. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 7:07:00 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By adavis: The only 2-10's I can think of with adjustable parallax are the NXS and maybe the XTR II. Even my S&B Polar 2-10 doesn't have it The vortex gen 2 pst has adjustable side focus. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:44:13 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PistoleroJesse: It was really just to validate that the weight and cost of a T2 looks to be worthwhile. I get the point of a off set red dot and if this was going to be my end of the world SHTF commie zombies everywhere yeah sure I would outfit a setup with a M/LPVO and red dot. I also have red dots in QD mounts I can swap to if I really want just a red dot. More than likely this will be used for hog hunting on my SCAR/AR308 setups also this optic is going to be an experimentation. Since destroying my elbow it is incredibly painful to shoot a pistol but rifles my right arm just kind of presses the trigger and left arm/shoulder/sling bear the weight. So lately things have been almost exclusively rifle shooting and while shooting my SCAR and AR308 I noticed the LPVO lacked on the magnification for something’s and the other scopes I have are all minimums 4-6x and 14-25x on the top end. So I am exploring the 2-10x~ and some of the scopes mentioned I know my local GS Carrie’s the brands so I am going to go check them out. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 6:28:55 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EdgecrusherXES: I get the point of a off set red dot and if this was going to be my end of the world SHTF commie zombies everywhere yeah sure I would outfit a setup with a M/LPVO and red dot. I also have red dots in QD mounts I can swap to if I really want just a red dot. More than likely this will be used for hog hunting on my SCAR/AR308 setups also this optic is going to be an experimentation. Since destroying my elbow it is incredibly painful to shoot a pistol but rifles my right arm just kind of presses the trigger and left arm/shoulder/sling bear the weight. So lately things have been almost exclusively rifle shooting and while shooting my SCAR and AR308 I noticed the LPVO lacked on the magnification for something’s and the other scopes I have are all minimums 4-6x and 14-25x on the top end. So I am exploring the 2-10x~ and some of the scopes mentioned I know my local GS Carrie’s the brands so I am going to go check them out. Makes perfect sense to me. Not every rifle needs to be SHTF zombie capable. Fortunately, even without a red dot, a 2-10 would be pretty good for zombies. What you're putting together sounds like a really nice rifle. |
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FRA
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Posted: 8/30/2023 6:35:20 AM EST
[#34]
I used the Vortex PST II 2-10x32 for IPSC with great success.
The 2x on close targets (3-25m) didnt hold me back. Shoot both eyes open when shooting close targets, just like a red dot. |
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Posted: 8/31/2023 8:47:21 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EdgecrusherXES: I do not expect it would be the most ideal or perfect optic to use at but more an option that could be workable. LPVO's are exactly ideal with using as a red dot but work really well at being the middle ground of being a red dot and magnified optic. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EdgecrusherXES: Originally Posted By PistoleroJesse: I like my NXS 2.5-10x42mm. I wish it had a 1 mill tree, FFP, and capped windage. I concur NX8 2.5-20 tries too hard and therefore weighs too much. Recent Range Trip. It's not as easy as a red dot. https://i.imgur.com/hNS9cp2.jpeg I do not expect it would be the most ideal or perfect optic to use at but more an option that could be workable. LPVO's are exactly ideal with using as a red dot but work really well at being the middle ground of being a red dot and magnified optic. I just posted about this in the SPR picture thread. I feel your pain. I wanted to go with the Vortex 2-10 when I built my rifle but ultimately weight pushed me into the 3-15, it’s a good scope but dang it’s a PIG! If I were to do it again I’d probably grab the 2-10 but that’s because NF is sleeping at the wheel. NF needs to merge the NXS 2.5-10 and the NX8 2-20. Give me a FFP 2-12x42 MIL-XT with a similar compact footprint as the NXS, under 20oz, and all the features as the NX8. Here’s my $2k.. sorry for the rant, I know my post didn’t help. 
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Posted: 8/31/2023 9:46:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: BobinNC]
[#36]
Current MVPO's with Turrets and under 44mm Objectives.
Athlon Helos BTR GEN2 2-12x42mm - Side Focus, Locking Turrets, FFP and Illuminated 25.4 oz Leupold Mark 5HD 2-10x30mm (35mm Tube) - Side Focus, Locking Turrets, FFP and Illuminated ( For $500. more) 24 oz Nightforce NXS 2.5-10x42mm - Side Focus, Illuminated, but SFP 20.5 oz Primary Arms GLx 2.5-10x44mm - Side Focus, Locking Turrets, FFP and Illuminated 22.5 oz SWFA 3-9x42mm SS HD 30mm Riflescope - FFP 19 OZ Trijicon Credo 2-10x36mm - Capped Windage, FFP and Illuminated 23 oz Vortex Viper PST Gen II 2-10x32mm - Side Focus, FFP and Illuminated 26.3 oz Vortex Razor HD LHT 3-15x42mm - Side Focus, Illuminated, Capped Windage, but SFP only 19.1 oz |
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Posted: 9/1/2023 11:08:07 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NesralG: NF needs to merge the NXS 2.5-10 and the NX8 2-20. Give me a FFP 2-12x42 MIL-XT with a similar compact footprint as the NXS, under 20oz, and all the features as the NX8. Here’s my $2k.. sorry for the rant, I know my post didn’t help. My wallet would catch on fire if they released that. |
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Posted: 9/1/2023 11:41:42 AM EST
[#38]
I personally think 2-10 is ideal and I wish they were more commonly available. 2x is perfect on the low end IMHO because in my experience anything too close for 2x magnification can be effectively engaged by point shooting and 10x on the high end is plenty for anything other than extreme long range, varmint hunting, and precise target shooting.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 9/1/2023 11:54:29 AM EST
[#39]
I rock a lightweight Leupold 3-9x scope because the industry simply doesn’t offer what I’m looking for.
Like the poster above said, if NF offered that sub 20oz 2-12, or Vortex updated their LHT line to have a FFP 3-15/2-12, I would jump on that in a heartbeat |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 9/1/2023 11:57:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: Justadude]
[#40]
A Nightforce FFP 2-12x42 with a Mil-XT reticle? Every SPR inspired build in the country would be running that. Including mine. Let's go Nightforce! Give the people what they want.
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Posted: 9/1/2023 2:41:17 PM EST
[#41]
I really like this discussion it has been enlightening and while I like LPVOs that is all that seems to be talked about lately. I think I am going to get the Viper but I encourage everyone to keep talking because I am just so tired of LPVO talk all the time.
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Posted: 9/1/2023 2:50:30 PM EST
[#42]
If you can stomach the weight of the Viper, I say go for it, I don’t think you’ll be disappointed. If you don’t need/want the parallax adjustment and want to save some ounces go Credo.
If I could find someone to trade my 3-15 PST II for their 2-10 PST II, I’d make that trade. Although, I think I’d miss the tree reticle. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/1/2023 3:27:17 PM EST
[#43]
I know it is not tacticool but i have a Leupold VX5HD 2-10x44 cds firedot on my grendel. I 100% love the scope. To me it is great at 2x withthe fire dot. One aspect is something about the eye box or scope shadow is amazing. At 2x the scope just disperses when you lookthrough it. It would not be great for clearing a house but i think it could even work at 25 yards both eyes open with some practice.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/1/2023 3:35:15 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EdgecrusherXES: Fair enough thanks for being honest! I periodically go on hog hunts and sometimes we take shots close in and I really do not want to add a red dot on top of or offset from the scope. I have the VX5HD 2-10 and took it hog hunting. I thin the 2x with firedot would have worked great. But on that hunt i didnt need a close shot. Piggy was 75 yards out. |
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Posted: 9/1/2023 3:38:13 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NesralG: If you can stomach the weight of the Viper, I say go for it, I don’t think you’ll be disappointed. If you don’t need/want the parallax adjustment and want to save some ounces go Credo. If I could find someone to trade my 3-15 PST II for their 2-10 PST II, I’d make that trade. Although, I think I’d miss the tree reticle. I have a 5-25x PSTII EBR2c and I picked up a Diamondback 4-16x with the same reticle for stupid good deal I could not pass up and it works good enough for the purpose so I have the tree reticle covered. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/1/2023 3:44:43 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By No1MAXIMUS: I used the Vortex PST II 2-10x32 for IPSC with great success. The 2x on close targets (3-25m) didnt hold me back. Shoot both eyes open when shooting close targets, just like a red dot. I agree that i think a good scope on 2x should be fast up close. But i think it depends on aspects of the scope that are hard to qualify on a peice of paper. For example my vx5hd 2-10 should not be that different than my vx3 3-9. Same reticle, same liumination. Yes 2x vs 3x. But on lowestpowerthey are worlds different. The vx3 at 3x feels like you are looking through a straw and has huge scope shadow. The vx5hd just disapears when you shoulder it. I dont know how these traites would be qualified on paper without really looking throughthe scopes. But it clearly shows how different things can be. All that said i still love the vx3 for my use and the price i paid |
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Posted: 9/3/2023 12:09:45 PM EST
[#47]
I ordered the Viper now I wait for it to arrive. Already have a LaRue mount waiting for it and cannot wait to shoot it,
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Posted: 9/3/2023 12:24:59 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: I like the PA 2.5-10 GLx. Yup! 
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MO, USA
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Posted: 9/3/2023 4:33:09 PM EST
[#49]
The 2x on the vortex viper is still pretty good for running around close up stuff vs using an offset reddot.
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IN, USA
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Posted: 9/3/2023 4:34:51 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By adavis: My wallet would catch on fire if they released that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By adavis: Originally Posted By NesralG: NF needs to merge the NXS 2.5-10 and the NX8 2-20. Give me a FFP 2-12x42 MIL-XT with a similar compact footprint as the NXS, under 20oz, and all the features as the NX8. Here’s my $2k.. sorry for the rant, I know my post didn’t help. My wallet would catch on fire if they released that.  Attached File |
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