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Posted: 4/13/2016 9:42:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
I hit the range yesterday. I got 9 out of 10 with my Larue barreled upper. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=87282 In my defense, the target was at 107 yards 
http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=87279 I only got 5 out of 10 with my DPMS rifle 
What ammo did you use for this?? |
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Posted: 4/13/2016 10:33:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Molon: As much time as you want. Just remember that the center of your bullet hole must break the outline of the quarter in order to count as a hit. ... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Molon: Originally Posted By donho00: How much time are you allowing between shots? As much time as you want. Originally Posted By donho00: have you found it is more forgiving with a 223 then a 308? Just remember that the center of your bullet hole must break the outline of the quarter in order to count as a hit. ... |
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Posted: 4/13/2016 10:39:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By urbankaos04: What ammo did you use for this?? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By urbankaos04: Originally Posted By jaqufrost: I hit the range yesterday. I got 9 out of 10 with my Larue barreled upper. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=87282 In my defense, the target was at 107 yards http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=87279 I only got 5 out of 10 with my DPMS rifle What ammo did you use for this?? I need to try swapping the CCI 400's to BR4's or another bench rest primer. I'm told it will be more consistent in igniting Varget. I also need to try my variant of AeroE's load which is 52gr SMK's over 27.0gr of RE15 with a BR4 primer. The 10 shot group of 52SMK'S is on the left. 77gr SMK'S are on the right. I made one attempt with the 52 SMK'S, but my zero was about .15 mils off  |
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Posted: 4/13/2016 11:26:38 PM EDT
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The center must break the edge???
I though the ENTIRE bullet hole must be inside the quarter? So I should be aiming at the edges?? |
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Posted: 4/13/2016 11:34:47 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By donho00: The center must break the edge??? I though the ENTIRE bullet hole must be inside the quarter? So I should be aiming at the edges?? |
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Posted: 4/13/2016 11:35:11 PM EDT
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OK, I re read your first post.
as long as the bullet is in the quarter it counts, right? It can be past the edge, as long as the hole is still touching and it counts?? I thought all 10 shots must be 1 per quarter, completely inside the edges. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 12:09:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Molon]
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
Half or more of the bullet should be inside the quarter. This is correct. One of the reasons for this, is so that there is an even playing field among all calibers; that is, larger caliber bullets do not gain an unfair advantage. ... |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 12:16:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Molon]
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By donho00:
as long as the bullet is in the quarter it counts, right? It can be past the edge, as long as the hole is still touching and it counts?? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By donho00:
as long as the bullet is in the quarter it counts, right? It can be past the edge, as long as the hole is still touching and it counts?? Incorrect. This counts . . . 
This counts . . . 
This does not count . . . 
Originally Posted By donho00:
I thought all 10 shots must be 1 per quarter, completely inside the edges. Incorrect. One shot, and one shot only, is taken at a single quarter. This is done for each of the 10, single quarters on the sheet of paper. There can only be 10 bullet holes on the piece of paper at the end of the exercise. ... This is a score of 5 out of 10 . . . 
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Posted: 4/14/2016 12:34:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Molon]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
Looks like I miscounted then
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By donho00:
How much time are you allowing between shots? As much time as you want. Originally Posted By donho00:
have you found it is more forgiving with a 223 then a 308? Just remember that the center of your bullet hole must break the outline of the quarter in order to count as a hit. ... Looks like I miscounted then
I'd give your target a score of 7 out of 10; which is some darn fine shooting! ... |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 7:37:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By donho00:
OK, I re read your first post. as long as the bullet is in the quarter it counts, right? It can be past the edge, as long as the hole is still touching and it counts?? I thought all 10 shots must be 1 per quarter, completely inside the edges. This is how I've been counting them. Otherwise, I'm a super duper sniper already....lol |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:26:24 AM EDT
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OK, understood. At least half the bullet hole MUST be inside the quarter.
This is going to be fun. Just need my parts to arrive, assemble, break in, sight in and give it a try. thanks |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:44:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By donho00:
OK, understood. At least half the bullet hole MUST be inside the quarter. Now you've got it! .. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 11:06:54 AM EDT
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I'm gonna have to do this!
I know both of my bolt action varmint guns can manage this easily (0.67 and .072 MOA @ 200 yards average), but I'm not sure I can pull off 10/10 with the ARs, even my bull barrel. Be fun to try! |
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Posted: 4/15/2016 11:20:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sixtysixdeuce:
I'm gonna have to do this! I know both of my bolt action varmint guns can manage this easily (0.67 and .072 MOA @ 200 yards average), but I'm not sure I can pull off 10/10 with the ARs, even my bull barrel. Be fun to try! The fun part is learning that while you can "Lock yourself" in to shooting small groups... moving the point of aim 10 times will really be a challenge. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 12:31:39 PM EDT
[#15]
I just printed both versions
The single row is the correct size The double row is smaller then a quarter? Is that the bonus round? |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 8:56:41 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By donho00:
I just printed both versions The single row is the correct size The double row is smaller then a quarter? Is that the bonus round? The double-row of quarters target just printed perfectly for me. Make sure you have page sizing set to "actual size" in Adobe Reader and give it a try again and let me know if it still doesn't print correctly for you. ... |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 7:10:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: donho00]
[#17]
Just returned from Range, First time shooting 100 with this AR. It was broken in and semi sighted in on the indoor 50yard.
Took 2-3 shots to get optic dialed in. Still trying dfferent ammo brands. I am 100% sure that Hornady 75gr match is crap. IWI razorcore is good stuff Black Hills 77 is fantastic Black Hills 77 reman is pretty close if not identical PPU 75 match is decent and for the price, its a great deal(still better then Hornady) This is all very basic testing. Nothing like Molans test. and most of the results I already knew from his tests I tried the single row target first. They printed exactly the size. I tried shooting 1 coin and then go shoot my Scar. or BS with my buddies in the next booth. and then go shoot another Here was my issue. Normally I use spatter sight in targets and you can see POI. The dark grey quarter, I could not see hits. I could see misses. But I ended up shooting number 4, three times and ran out of rounds before the top Totally my fault. It was terrible anyways. besides the multiple hit coin, only 1 others I practiced some more. did more of my amatuer ammo testing and I then decided to try the smaller double row. wind started to pick up. But I didnt think it would matter because of my heavy 77 grainers. It did make a difference. I missed the first 4 completely. The wind dies down a little and I rushed through the rest. I thought I was doing good until I shanked one. I knew when I pulled it was shanked. I ended up with 4. 1 is questionable, but I think its half on. I think it was ok, Especially since they were kind of smaller then the single row. No excuses, only myself to blame. but I cannot wait to try again. Overall, for a new gun, I am happy with it. Hopefully I get back out there soon and try it again 
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Posted: 4/22/2016 7:11:49 PM EDT
[#18]
Look at the last pic for size
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Posted: 4/22/2016 8:46:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By donho00:
Look at the last pic for size Do you have page sizing set to "actual size" in Adobe Reader? ... |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:17:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By donho00: Just returned from Range, First time shooting 100 with this AR. It was broken in and semi sighted in on the indoor 50yard. Took 2-3 shots to get optic dialed in. Still trying dfferent ammo brands. I am 100% sure that Hornady 75gr match is crap. IWI razorcore is good stuff Black Hills 77 is fantastic Black Hills 77 reman is pretty close if not identical PPU 75 match is decent and for the price, its a great deal(still better then Hornady) This is all very basic testing. Nothing like Molans test. and most of the results I already knew from his tests I tried the single row target first. They printed exactly the size. I tried shooting 1 coin and then go shoot my Scar. or BS with my buddies in the next booth. and then go shoot another Here was my issue. Normally I use spatter sight in targets and you can see POI. The dark grey quarter, I could not see hits. I could see misses. But I ended up shooting number 4, three times and ran out of rounds before the top Totally my fault. It was terrible anyways. besides the multiple hit coin, only 1 others I practiced some more. did more of my amatuer ammo testing and I then decided to try the smaller double row. wind started to pick up. But I didnt think it would matter because of my heavy 77 grainers. It did make a difference. I missed the first 4 completely. The wind dies down a little and I rushed through the rest. I thought I was doing good until I shanked one. I knew when I pulled it was shanked. I ended up with 4. 1 is questionable, but I think its half on. I think it was ok, Especially since they were kind of smaller then the single row. No excuses, only myself to blame. but I cannot wait to try again. Overall, for a new gun, I am happy with it. Hopefully I get back out there soon and try it again http://i66.tinypic.com/ojji9i.jpg http://i68.tinypic.com/9t0qh0.jpg http://i64.tinypic.com/20u7ebo.jpg http://i68.tinypic.com/2psngia.jpg One of my rifles has a dot for the aiming point. I felt it didn't stand out on the quarter, so I'm printing some with red circles overlaying the quarters. Hopefully I'll have a Krieger 6.5 barrel to try pretty soon. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 1:46:45 AM EDT
[#21]
I will double check on adobe when I print some more.
the Viper is a 6x24. I can see clear bullet holes in my splatter targets. But my old eyes and the smaller 223 holes in the dark paper was hard to see for me. I know the rifle is far more accurate then I am. I did rush more then I should. But I think that might comes from the semi. When I shoot my bolt gun, you are forced to cycle the bolt. get field of view again. pre load bipod, steady the rear bag/monopod, breath, relax, squeeze the AR platform, it was too easy to pull off the next shot. Does this make any sense? I am having a hard time explaining it. But I know next time I will take my time, or at least try |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 1:53:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: donho00]
[#22]
I just checked. I dont think this computer uses Adobe??
All my old files that were Adobe, are now Edge PDF files. I downloaded Adobe and all those Edge PDF are now Adode PDF But I printed another and its the same. Where can I change to print actual size? There are no options like that? |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 9:01:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: bfoosh06]
[#23]
Hopefully this weekend I will finally get'er done.
Last weekend was spent mounting and sighting in the new scope. ( Sighted in for the Fed. 50gr TV ) The single group is 20rds rapid fire, 100yds benched, bagged, Remington 77gr , the shots otherwise ( left hand upper corner ) are Fed. Tipped Varmint 50gr also 100yds. A quarter will just fit in each "white hole", surrounded by black outline, on green field. Bump to the top of the forum. 
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Posted: 5/3/2016 9:44:52 AM EDT
[#24]
Tried it. I'm soooo out of practice.
On a positive note, I can use the same target next time. |
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Posted: 5/5/2016 7:37:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4builder:
On a positive note, I can use the same target next time. 
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Posted: 5/14/2016 4:28:59 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By donho00:
I just checked. I dont think this computer uses Adobe?? All my old files that were Adobe, are now Edge PDF files. I downloaded Adobe and all those Edge PDF are now Adode PDF But I printed another and its the same. Where can I change to print actual size? There are no options like that? It's slightly different depending upon the version of Adobe Reader, but under the print options select "page sizing" and then "actual size." |
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Posted: 5/27/2016 2:23:27 PM EDT
[#27]
Tag
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Posted: 6/12/2016 12:22:26 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bfoosh06:
The single group is 20rds rapid fire, 100yds benched, bagged, Remington 77gr. Your rifle really likes that load! Nice shooting. ... |
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Posted: 7/16/2016 10:58:50 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bfoosh06:
Hopefully this weekend I will finally get'er done. Any new results? ... |
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Posted: 7/16/2016 11:09:52 PM EDT
[#30]
The diameterof a quater is 0.955 inches
so you are looking at .9 MOA not .25 MOA |
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Posted: 7/17/2016 11:06:21 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SD307:
The diameterof a quater is 0.955 inches so you are looking at .9 MOA not .25 MOA 
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Posted: 7/17/2016 11:36:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SD307:
The diameterof a quater is 0.955 inches so you are looking at .9 MOA not .25 MOA 
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Posted: 7/17/2016 3:27:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By tReznr:
Originally Posted By SD307:
The diameterof a quater is 0.955 inches so you are looking at .9 MOA not .25 MOA https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/60975869.jpg "LIKE" |
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Posted: 7/17/2016 5:54:14 PM EDT
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Sorry no new results... family issues are consuming my weekend free time.
But... this next weekend is mine... range time is in the plan. And , brother........ do I need it ! Molon, Thanks again for devoting so much effort to the shooting world. It is tough being so helpful, in the thankless world of the internet. Don't ever let naysayers ruin your efforts.... those people have issues way beyond anything we can help them with. Not to mention... sometimes you just can't make everyone happy. |
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Posted: 7/17/2016 5:54:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bfoosh06]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Molon:
... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By SD307:
The diameterof a quater is 0.955 inches so you are looking at .9 MOA not .25 MOA
... Lol..... I am QUITE sure the "Quarter MOA" part is a play on words..... as in the targets are quarters... |
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Posted: 7/24/2016 9:31:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bfoosh06]
[#36]
Well.... I got to the range today.... only to find the 100yd is "Under Repair" until next week.
So disappointed..... I had forgotten about the improvement work started weeks ago. I was also going to "test" the new Hornady 75gr SBR "Training" ammo, the PMC XTAC 77gr, and DTAC 69gr SMK..... at 100yds as well. I was also going test for function a "heavier" buffer and stiffer recoil spring set-up for the 9MM Carbine.... I ended up going to the 300yd range and practiced my bench technique, in a gusting 5-12 mph cross wind. Ba Hum Bug. |
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Posted: 8/3/2016 8:35:38 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bfoosh06:
Molon, Thanks again for devoting so much effort to the shooting world. It is tough being so helpful, in the thankless world of the internet. Don't ever let naysayers ruin your efforts.... those people have issues way beyond anything we can help them with. Not to mention... sometimes you just can't make everyone happy. Muchas gracias. 
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Posted: 8/14/2016 12:53:46 AM EDT
[#38]
I haven't given up on this.... but I have found that I need more practice on my bench skills.
I can lock myself in and shot pretty good groups.... but the shifting of the rifle is messin' with me, Lol.... must breath ... Lol First try... ( forgot the Offical Target ) 
Next target.... 1.5 feet to the left at 100yds.... 
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Posted: 8/14/2016 1:23:32 AM EDT
[#39]
Eeeyup. Natural Point of Aim is important.
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Posted: 8/14/2016 1:27:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony:
Eeeyup. Natural Point of Aim is important. Brother.... you said it. |
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Posted: 8/16/2016 1:56:32 AM EDT
[#41]
Cool!
 I may have to give this a try. Will post results here.
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Posted: 9/4/2016 10:55:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bfoosh06:
I haven't given up on this.... but I have found that I need more practice on my bench skills. Rember, you can shoot this from any position that you want to, with or without any support, at your preference. ... |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 5:57:24 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALARAK:
My prediction - there will be FAR fewer posts here, than the "1MOA all day" thread. This challenge is a tall order. when I see all those beautiful groups but not one hitting the bullseye I think big fucking deal, you missed, I would rather have a 1.00 moa cluster all hitting the bull than a .25 group that all missed more challenge? do this one shot, one target a day, you could would be a bad motherfucker |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:00:54 PM EDT
[#44]
Missing is usually intentional to maintain a consistent aim point.
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Posted: 9/25/2016 12:00:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony:
Missing is usually intentional to maintain a consistent aim point. This. |
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Posted: 1/23/2022 7:48:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/24/2022 7:26:36 PM EDT
[#47]
One of my favorite shooting skill tests.
Thanks Molon ! |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 1:06:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Molon]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bfoosh06: Lol..... I am QUITE sure the "Quarter MOA" part is a play on words..... as in the targets are quarters... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bfoosh06: Originally Posted By Molon: Originally Posted By SD307: The diameterof a quater is 0.955 inches so you are looking at .9 MOA not .25 MOA ... Lol..... I am QUITE sure the "Quarter MOA" part is a play on words..... as in the targets are quarters... ... |
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Posted: 4/8/2022 8:37:38 PM EDT
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The down-loadable quarters targets have been re-hosted. For some reason they take a while to download, but are working on my computers.
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Posted: 4/8/2022 9:26:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TGE]
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I thought the grapefruit challenge would be pretty easy. Turns out it wasn't.
This looks hard. |
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