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Posted: 9/10/2004 9:40:20 AM EDT

[#1]

Boy - a little good brotherly spirit sure goes to shit in a hurry when a few pricks chime in.... huh?

Posted: 9/10/2004 10:02:10 AM EDT

[#2]

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i think more than 3. NY, CT, MA, for starters. ONE is one too many. There are a TON of people in those states who should have the right to have whatever they want on their rifles. A lot of good men from those states died in those states to get us our rights and freedoms.

Oh Please!!

It IS only 3 tops. Like I said before, if someone wants to "help" someone save a few bucks with a trade then thats cool but why is everyone making it sound like they are saving the planet. If someone in a no-sunset state wants a pre-94 gun, all they have to do is buy one like everyone else.

Stop being a dick. I have a shitload more in my preban Colt lower than I'm selling it to a NY ARFer for, but you know what? I'm happy to do it. Fuck Chucky and Dianne.

Posted: 9/10/2004 10:06:45 AM EDT

[#3]

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If someone in a no-sunset state wants a pre-94 gun, all they have to do is buy one like everyone else.

huh?

If you're in one of the 3 states that will have their own AWB after the federal ban sunsets, then all you have to do is buy a pre-94 gun (aka "pre-ban") like everyone else has been doing for 10 years.

DICK IN VEGAS- YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T GET IT. I WISH YOUR TOWN WOULD START THEIR OWN AWB. THEN WE'D HEAR YOU CRYING YOUR FUCKING EYES OUT INSTEAD OF ASKING NICELY LIKE THESE GUYS ARE DOING.

6.) Repeatedly attacking or insulting a person in an effort to elicit a negative response. You have a right to disagree, but please do so in a respectful manner.
7.) ...disrupt member's resources, or disrupt the ability for the site to function normally.
FURTHER ON-
3.) Fraudulent practices or attempts to defraud another person or group will be dealt with very seriously.

IN THIS CASE, DEFRAUDING IS NOTHING MORE THAN BEING A BITCH WHEN TWO PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO MAKE AN EXCHANGE.

SO QUIT TRYING TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE WE ARE THIEVES OR SOMETHING.

edited to remove comment to Cerebus.

Posted: 9/10/2004 10:22:53 AM EDT

[#4]

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If someone in a no-sunset state wants a pre-94 gun, all they have to do is buy one like everyone else.

huh?

If you're in one of the 3 states that will have their own AWB after the federal ban sunsets, then all you have to do is buy a pre-94 gun (aka "pre-ban") like everyone else has been doing for 10 years.

CEREBUS- THANKS FOR THE IDEA. WE NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT. ......

No need to be a dick, all I was doing was trying to clarify someone else's post.

Posted: 9/10/2004 10:37:02 AM EDT

[#5]

jeez, every family's got 'em......

Posted: 9/10/2004 10:52:29 AM EDT

[#6]

Here's a great sample of why arfkom is ranked #1 in its category. Look at how this thread was initially treated by a fairly senior member over on another site. UNBELIEVABLE!
www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=ee0e2c199891df1222632e7cf975d84f&threadid=100553

Posted: 9/10/2004 11:02:35 AM EDT

[#7]

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WE ARE GIVING THEM A CHANCE TO BUY PRE-94 LOWERS

My whole point is THEY DON'T NEED YOUR HELP TO BUY A PRE-94 LOWER! If you want to do a trade with Joe Blow in NY, knock youself out but quit sounding like the only way Joe can be happy is if you offer charity.

Now, lets look at what I said...............

Many? There are 2 maybe 3?

**This is all very "noble" and I applaude those who want to make a deal via ARFCOM but c'mon guys, There is nothing stopping guys in NY and CT from just buying these pre-94 guns. It may take a few months for the general gun population to realize the ban is gone but they will be very common....and cheap.

**Oh Please!!

It IS only 3 tops. Like I said before, if someone wants to "help" someone save a few bucks with a trade then thats cool but why is everyone making it sound like they are saving the planet. If someone in a no-sunset state wants a pre-94 gun, all they have to do is buy one like everyone else.

**Oh lighten up! You're the guy who "thinks" its more then three states (talk about stupid) and then starts talking about "good men dying". It's a business transaction, nothing more.

Thats it. I didn't call anyone a thief. I specifically said it was cool to trade if someone wanted to. I didn't call anyone a name. I just stated facts......

In return I got............ PRICK.......BITCH.........GET THE FUCK OUT....IDIOT...DICK....ETC!!!!!

Jeeeeezzzzzz, Me thinks something else is going on here. Have a nice day.

Posted: 9/10/2004 11:13:11 AM EDT

[#8]

oh, none of it was necessary but it looks like it did the job.

Posted: 9/10/2004 11:45:32 AM EDT

[#9]

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WHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Rick as a younger lad:

Posted: 9/10/2004 11:58:17 AM EDT

[#10]

I am not sure I understand all I know about this offer but it sounds like a good thing to me. Particularly as I was born and raised in Watertown, NY. (many moons ago). I have a voratious desire to own a AK-47. My wife says I "May have one" if I get rid of one of my four AR's. So how does this sound, I will trade my Excellant condition (less than 500 rds through it) Pre-Ban AR straight across for a excellant conditon post-ban SAR 1. I know the AR is worth far more than the AK but the bottom line is I will have an AK and someone in NY will have a nice PreBan AR. Of course the swappee would pay all xfer/shipping fees. This sounds like a good deal to me but if I have missed the mark say so and I will move along.

New Yorker in Florida

Posted: 9/10/2004 12:03:36 PM EDT

[#11]

This is a good idea. I'll keep my eyes open at gun shows and try to pick up some ex-pre-ban lowers for you guys.

Posted: 9/10/2004 12:11:28 PM EDT

[#12]

We need more buyers it looks like. All of us so far are either Sellers or Whiners.

Posted: 9/10/2004 12:19:28 PM EDT

[#13]

I can be in on this, I've got a pre-ban lower with a purchase receipt. I can't remember what brand it is, it's not RRA, it's something else. I'll look it up and then edit my post.

Matt
[email protected]

Posted: 9/10/2004 12:25:35 PM EDT

[#14]

I'll be picking up a new Bushy lower this weekend if anyone would like to trade. I'll pay expenses.

Very cool thing to do.

Rick ......who pissed in your Special K???? If you dont want to participate then STFU.

Posted: 9/10/2004 12:29:09 PM EDT

[#15]

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I'll be picking up a new Bushy lower this weekend if anyone would like to trade. I'll pay expenses.

Very cool thing to do.

Rick ......who pissed in your Special K???? If you dont want to participate then STFU.

~~I have a nice PWA I can send you pictures.~~ Deal in progress.

Bob

Posted: 9/10/2004 12:32:16 PM EDT

[#16]

That would be great thanks.

Posted: 9/10/2004 12:46:51 PM EDT

[#17]

here is my EA

Posted: 9/10/2004 1:38:41 PM EDT

[#18]

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all i ever wanted to do was open and close my stock
i still dont understand how that ever got into this.

if the price is right and you live close to NH, i'll buy.

I'm in NH also, there is no ban for us; if you are in MA then that is a different story.

I have a Colt Sporter in 7.62x39 that I haven't used in a while (been shooting my ak's) and I would be interested in a trade / money / parts for a 1911 build. Can MA residents get pre bans via ffl from outside MA?

ETA: Sold pending funds

Posted: 9/10/2004 3:26:18 PM EDT

[#19]

I have a sendra lower Preban of course Who wants it ...what can i get outta it....im really easy going just make me a fair offer and it is yours ....

Posted: 9/10/2004 3:35:50 PM EDT

[#20]

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I'm all for helping a brother out, but I don't think it should be considered price gouging to try and recoup what you already paid for a preban.

If that's the case, then they might as well pay the current full price for a pre-ban instead of trading. The fact of the matter is that your "pre-ban" is a 10+ year old rifle that will be worth LESS than a brand new full-feature rifle after the sunset. Anyone willing to trade you a brand new rifle for a decade old one is doing you a favor.

Posted: 9/10/2004 3:45:09 PM EDT

[#21]

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I'm all for helping a brother out, but I don't think it should be considered price gouging to try and recoup what you already paid for a preban.

If that's the case, then they might as well pay the current full price for a pre-ban instead of trading. The fact of the matter is that your "pre-ban" is a 10+ year old rifle that will be worth LESS than a brand new full-feature rifle after the sunset. Anyone willing to trade you a brand new rifle for a decade old one is doing you a favor.

I think we are doing each other a favor. They get the evil features they have wanted for the price of a current model. We get a new receiver that we can put (or order with) evil features.

Bob

Posted: 9/10/2004 4:09:34 PM EDT

[#22]

Great idea I can do that too. I dont want to trade my almost new Colt that I paid $2100 for

. But I will keep my EYES open for used guns at the show coming up

Posted: 9/10/2004 4:37:47 PM EDT

[#23]

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I'm all for helping a brother out, but I don't think it should be considered price gouging to try and recoup what you already paid for a preban.

If that's the case, then they might as well pay the current full price for a pre-ban instead of trading. The fact of the matter is that your "pre-ban" is a 10+ year old rifle that will be worth LESS than a brand new full-feature rifle after the sunset. Anyone willing to trade you a brand new rifle for a decade old one is doing you a favor.

Please do not partialy quote me and take what I said out of context. I never advocated price gouging. In fact, I said that would make me (or anyone else) an ass.

And as for the value of my rifle, it will never be worth LESS as long as there's a facist state with it's own AWB and someone needs a pre '94 rifle if they want all the features. At the very least, it will be break-even. No favors about it.

Posted: 9/10/2004 4:45:48 PM EDT

[#24]

I have a preban bushy lower but it is refinished in Black T so I am not giving that up (matches the rest of my rifle) but I am happy to see that all this "preban" greed is finally gonna die.

I wish you all the best of luck with your deals so that those in commy states can party with the rest of us in a couple of days

Posted: 9/10/2004 8:56:12 PM EDT

[#25]

I have a minty Colt Preban Sporter Lightweight R6530 SER # SL 011XXX in very good shape. It is an A2 lower with the large hole front and large pin fire control parts. It has an after market 1 position collapsible stock assembly that was converted to a 2 position. If you do not want the collapsible stock I will put the fixed stock back on it. The upper is an A2 with a 16" barrel marked C MP 5.56 NATO 1/7 it has the A2 flash hider and no bayo lug. This is an all original Colt marked rifle and does have the Colt marked sear block in the lower receiver. The single pin that holds it in place can be seen on the right sides of the lower. It has a low round count though it and the finish does have some handling marks but rifle is in over all excellent shape. Since they are a matched pair I do not want to seperate the two.
I would trade for an all matching Colt in a style like a Colt AR6520 Gov't Carbines or a Colt AR6721

Posted: 9/11/2004 3:44:32 AM EDT

[#26]

Ha everyone ,thanks for starting this topic CHAPPERJOE

I live in ma and before they passed the mass awb i bought 2 bushy lowers in the hope of making them in-to rifles the way they should be.......but now i can't (a big thanks to the dam liberials in this state......)

so is anyone interested in trading in a 2 for 1 deal? 2 bushmaster lowers brand new for a 95%+bushmaster pre-ban lower(certified with a letter or if we can call bushmaster to make sure it left the factory as a complete rifle)

IM me if anyone is interested..

THANKS BULLDOG

p.s. someday i will leave this state...........not soon enough

Posted: 9/11/2004 4:54:18 AM EDT

[#27]

If anybody has a preban lower for trade please contact me. Thank you. I will throw in a few new GI mags also. Thanks. -Justin in NY

Posted: 9/11/2004 4:55:26 AM EDT

[#28]

I have a excellent condition Preban PWA lower I would be happy to trade for a new PWA or LMT lower. IM or Email me if anybodys interested.

Posted: 9/11/2004 5:39:09 AM EDT

[#29]

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Here's a great sample of why arfkom is ranked #1 in its category. Look at how this thread was initially treated by a fairly senior member over on another site. UNBELIEVABLE!
www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=ee0e2c199891df1222632e7cf975d84f&threadid=100553

Aww...look..they're mad at me

www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=ee0e2c199891df1222632e7cf975d84f&threadid=100553

Posted: 9/11/2004 7:54:26 AM EDT

[#30]

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I'm all for helping a brother out, but I don't think it should be considered price gouging to try and recoup what you already paid for a preban.

If that's the case, then they might as well pay the current full price for a pre-ban instead of trading. The fact of the matter is that your "pre-ban" is a 10+ year old rifle that will be worth LESS than a brand new full-feature rifle after the sunset. Anyone willing to trade you a brand new rifle for a decade old one is doing you a favor.

Please do not partialy quote me and take what I said out of context. I never advocated price gouging. In fact, I said that would make me (or anyone else) an ass.

And as for the value of my rifle, it will never be worth LESS as long as there's a facist state with it's own AWB and someone needs a pre '94 rifle if they want all the features. At the very least, it will be break-even. No favors about it.

What you are saying is that it is okay to charge more for a pre-ban to some guy in a state with a state-level AW ban and recoup what you paid for it. It was not price gouging during the ban because NO ONE had access to new ones. If you wanted one, you paid the price. Again, the rifle is 10+ years old, and if you are a decent individual, it will not be worth any more than a new replacement.

And no hard feelings here.

Posted: 9/11/2004 8:49:37 AM EDT

[#31]

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Posted: 9/11/2004 4:25:10 PM EDT

[#32]

thehighroad - when arfkom was down, alot of us used it as our meeting point - but they don't have the checks and balances (active mods, decent people, etc.) that we have here.
- as a community, its hard to beat arfkom.

Posted: 9/11/2004 8:22:49 PM EDT

[#33]

I also mentioned this idea in another thread...I'm glad others see the POSITIVE in doing this. Currently, I live in one of THE most restrictive states in that I can not even buy a stripper AR lower no matter what it's status. Semi-autos that can take a pistol grip are pretty much banned outright here in CA.

Luckily, I have a Pre-ban AR. I am planning on moving out of this fucked up stated within the next year (hopefully within six months) and as soon as I do, I will be MORE than happy to sell my Pre-Ban Colt Sporter Target that is not only within the serial range, it came as a complete rifle from the factory so there is no need for "paper proof".

The lower is a small pivot hole (large FCG holes) and all the parts are of course Colt. The only things I have added (which can be removed and the factory parts put back in) are: 1) Tango Down Battle Grip and 2) KNS Non-Rotational Pin Set. The lower is in mint condition and looks damn near unfired. I have it mated to a fully decked out Colt M4 16" upper which I will NOT be parting with.

What I would want in exchange is a new RDIAS compatible lower (I'll have to do a little research to see which ones work)...I'm hoping LMT will work . I would prefer a Colt but my understanding is that any new Colt will not work with a RDIAS.

I for one will not gouge another ARFcom member...especially since I know what it's like to live in a restricted state...all you profiteering assholes can suck my ass.

Posted: 9/11/2004 8:32:47 PM EDT

[#34]

gs430 +1 my man.

you are now gs431.

well put.

Posted: 9/11/2004 8:42:10 PM EDT

[#35]

Thanks Joe, I just want to be able to help out...

I have been thinking about this and I ALMOST think a "registery" of sorts is needed. The reason why I say is so that EVERYONE can get at least ONE lower. The last thing I would want is some greedy fucker buying up all the pre-bans so that other members can't get them. I think everyone on the list should at least have a shot at one. Of course, buyers and sellers don't need to get on this list if it's a little too "socialistic" for them (please save the "That's so very 'Californian' of you" type jokes...) but hey, I just want to be fair.

If I had 10 lowers, I wouldn't want to sell it to one, two or three members...I'd want to sell one lower to 10 different members...spread the wealth a little....

Posted: 9/11/2004 9:08:36 PM EDT

[#36]

I'm game just email me for an oly for a bushy

Posted: 9/11/2004 9:14:31 PM EDT

[#37]

I have a large hole Colt A2 and a PWA but I do not See it as a "gouge" to ask 1000 or 1100 $$ It is about supply and demand. If I cannot get what I paid then they can sit in the safe with the other 8 ARs.

Posted: 9/11/2004 10:38:27 PM EDT

[#38]

Has anyone considered that per the ATF a lower, in and of itself is not an AW? If your state has a mirror ban, how can you legally transfer a lower only, and still consider it a legal AW????

Methinks the whole rifle would need to be traded, No?

Oh, and sorry, my preban has been NFA'ed, so I cant get rid of it unless someone is willing to cough up $200 extra.

Posted: 9/11/2004 10:46:44 PM EDT

[#39]

Hmmmm....sell my two pre-ban Eagles for new Bushmasters or LMTs.....

HMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....

Have to think about this one.

Posted: 9/11/2004 10:59:15 PM EDT

[#40]

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Hmmmm....sell my two pre-ban Eagles for new ~~Bushmasters or~~ LMTs.....

HMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....

Have to think about this one.

I fixed it for you Lumpy

Posted: 9/11/2004 11:30:31 PM EDT

[#41]

Will trade a stripped, as new Eagle Arms lower, completely refinished in SOCOM Black by SAW for a new RRA US lower from Pete. (Gotta be new, i wanna send him my upper for fitting.)

PM or @gmail.com

**09/16/04 - Offers taken, it is spoken for at this time. Thanks!**

Posted: 9/11/2004 11:49:20 PM EDT

[#42]

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I have a large hole Colt A2 and a PWA but I do not See it as a "gouge" to ask 1000 or 1100 $$ It is about supply and demand. If I cannot get what I paid then they can sit in the safe with the other 8 ARs.

...and you will NEVER get what you paid because your "pre-bans", in 20 hours, won't be worth any more than ANY post/no-ban AR is right now (in 47 states) unless it's some sort of "special" collectable model...I don't think PWA ever made such beast.

Also know, that in those three remaining states, it's doubtful you'll get what you paid for it because there will be people like ME who are NOT GOING TO GOUGE fellow enthusiast so why would they overpay for your "pre-bans"?

In 20 hours, you will loose 47 STATES WORTH OF POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS and you'll have 47 STATES WORTH OF COMPETITION.

So instead of trying to look at it as money-making-venture, why not look at it as a chance to update those decade old weapons?

The only way your pre-bans will retain their value is if the AWB is extended (we'll find out in 20 hours) OR if they pass another ban and your AR's are grandfathered...but guess what? EVERYONE AR before the new ban will be worth the same amount. That means the other six AR's you have would be worth the same as your "now-not-so-precious" pre-bans. And remember, EVERYONE's pre/post/no-ban AR's will be worth the same....so how many "no-ban" AR's do you think will be sold after Monday....I think PLENTY...which means, your "precious" market just got watered down even more.....

Think about this....YOU can buy a NO-ban lower and do all the "pre-ban" features to it as of Monday. So how are your "pre-bans", other than being old, any better TO YOU? Your PWA, if trade for a LMT lower, would be basically the same gun TO YOU.There is no difference FOR YOU...other than you get a BRAND NEW LMT (or whatever brand) lower for your gun. With your Colt, you can now trade your used, odd pin spec Colt for a brand new, full A2 spec lower of your choosing. How are you loosing again?? You just have to face the fact, you took a gamble and bought pre-bans when the prices were high and you loss. A lot of people did. I did too...but I'm not going to be bitter about it. I'm just glad the AWB is done and over with.

Be smarter than the gun.

Posted: 9/11/2004 11:54:17 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
Has anyone considered that per the ATF a lower, in and of itself is not an AW? If your state has a mirror ban, how can you legally transfer a lower only, and still consider it a legal AW????

Methinks the whole rifle would need to be traded, No?

That is probably true so an easy (though a little more costly) solution would be for the buyer in the banned state to send his upper to the seller in the un-banned state and then the seller would send the complete rifle to the buyer's FFL....problem solved.

Of course, the buyers should find out if the seller has some way of proving that the lower was a complete pre-ban rifle before Sept. 1994. This, I think, will be the determing factor in 'trade' value. I, for one, have a AR that is provable, by Colt, to have been a complete gun since it left Colt that way (it was a Blue Label Colt Target Sporter) but I will not demand the future buyer to pay out extra. I will not gouge. If the buyer wants to send me a extra little "thank you" of some sort, that is his/her prerogative.

Posted: 9/12/2004 3:26:34 AM EDT

[#44]

As I have stated before, I live in a restricted state where you can still buy prebans from in or out of state, and regardless, my prebans are worth no more than the majority of you guys in the rest of the country after tomorrow. I don't mind these losing value, why should you now that you can legally put on those evil features on a brand new lower? I think most of the lowers made today are of better quality and finish than those before the crime bill.

Lets see what I don't like (but can live with) about most prebans vs current production -

Colt - nice lowers before 1990s except for the large hole, then came the stupid sear blocks and odd size fire control pins.

Bushmaster - nice lowers but purplish in color. What's up with that?

Essential Arms - odd looking casted lowers that need some fitting.

Oly/SGW - good lowers, need fitting on some.

PWA - I actually don't have anything negative to say about these.

The point is to increase the supply of pre 1994 guns in states that will not sunset, while more new reasonably priced no-ban ARs are in the hands of the rest of you guys. That is not the way the antis fairy tale story was suppose to end. The way I see it, everybody wins. Of couse, if you want to sell your run of the mill preban at inflated prices, go ahead. You'd be hard pressed to find any takers.

C'mon guys, don't put down the idea of helping us unfortunate ones. No one said it was mandatory to do it.

Posted: 9/12/2004 5:05:05 AM EDT

[#45]

I am a needy New Yorker and I just ordered a new RRA lower. If some one has a preban lower maybe we can work out a deal or I will just pay cash. Help me out please.
Thanks Dillon

Posted: 9/12/2004 5:33:58 AM EDT

[#46]

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I have a large hole Colt A2 and a PWA but I do not See it as a "gouge" to ask 1000 or 1100 $$ It is about supply and demand. If I cannot get what I paid then they can sit in the safe with the other 8 ARs.

Well, it is a gouge.

Posted: 9/12/2004 5:35:20 AM EDT

[#47]

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I have a large hole Colt A2 and a PWA but I do not See it as a "gouge" to ask 1000 or 1100 $$ It is about supply and demand. If I cannot get what I paid then they can sit in the safe with the other 8 ARs.

Well, it is a gouge.

I'm with you. My preban is going to be a yankee in a week or so!
Bob