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Posted: 11/22/2005 4:36:39 AM EDT
[#1]
Yeah. You lose upper body strength.
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Posted: 11/22/2005 6:11:25 AM EDT
[#2]
Uhh you end up losing all your shooting skills because you don't like practicing with a boat anchor and it's no fun taking it to class? 
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Posted: 11/22/2005 6:37:44 AM EDT
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I swear to GOD!
If most of the people on this site had to go to a BOOT CAMP of some sort. The D.I.s would quit due to all the whining. "I want a Hogue Grip on my weapon, Sir" "My barrel is too heavy, Sir" "My barrel is too light, Sir" "I need a 1:87 twist barrel with fluting cuz I brought my own special ammo, Sir" HOMOS! 
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Posted: 11/22/2005 7:09:05 AM EDT
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Lighten Up Besides when I was in the service my M16A1 was rather light! So drop and give me 87 Pushups! |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 7:17:19 AM EDT
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It wasn't designed for civilians. 
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Posted: 11/22/2005 7:20:03 AM EDT
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LOL ...was just looking at my 7.62mm L1A1 barrel - it is smaller in diameter than any of my AR15 5.56mm barrels which include A2 gov't profile, M4 profile and HBAR. Kinda like a big noodle... |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 7:24:33 AM EDT
[#7]
Yep a little down and dirty Infantry training will quickly dispell the "my rifle has a blemish/ugly barrel/cosmetic flaw/I don't like it cuz it's not bling " tendencies.  |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 7:37:24 AM EDT
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Somebody needs to tell ARFcom that. |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 8:08:54 AM EDT
[#9]
 lol
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Posted: 11/22/2005 8:22:06 AM EDT
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For the last two years I've had a 16" 1/7 twist pencil barrel lightweight flattop carbine project on hold because I can't find a decent barrel. I'm not chopping up my Colt to get it either. Once you've held a rifle properly configured for the 5.56 round you'll be amazed how light it feels and how well it balances. There is NOTHING on the market like it. |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 8:30:03 AM EDT
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You can get a 6520 for a little over 400 shipped in the EE, then sell the upper and whatnot. |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 8:33:40 AM EDT
[#12]
I am. I'm buying two 6520s and changing out one with a Colt flattop. |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 8:48:49 AM EDT
[#13]
Thanks! That's a great idea. I hadn't thought of doing a swap like that. My carbine project will finally get moving again. Maybe I'll do two. |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 8:51:31 AM EDT
[#14]
Wow, that's a really nice set up.  If you don't mind my asking, why didn;t you opt for a mid length? |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 8:56:13 AM EDT
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The way I figure it, I'm going to be changing the handguards out for a FF rail, which requires essentially removing the barrel anyway. Might as well swap out the uppers while I'm at it. If I wind up having issues with the front sight and a BUIS, I'll change out the FSB for a low-profile, put a 9.0 in place of the 7.0, and use a Troy flipup front sight. I actually prefer the unobstructed sight picture anyway. |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 10:53:08 AM EDT
[#16]
Best response I have read all day!!!
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Posted: 11/22/2005 11:54:03 AM EDT
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I believe one of the points of my post was that Uncle Sam bought the M4 because he needs it, and it wasn't designed for Uncle Elmo.
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Posted: 11/22/2005 12:12:36 PM EDT
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This is exactly what I did and the rifle handles great. I took my Eotech off of the M4 with rail and put it on the 6520 Flattop and the difference in balance is considerable. I realize the actual weight difference is not much but I think becuase it is out in front of the FSB ont he M4 is feels magnified. The truth is no matter which way I look at it that even if I ever did have to use my carbine for defense it surely would not be beyond 100 yards. For starters, if my barrel is so heated up that I am losing accuracy I am probably not making precision shots. In addition any affects from heat on the pencil barrel are not going to prevent me from making aimed body shots at 100 yards. Farther than that I am likely in avoidance mode. |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 12:23:22 PM EDT
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I just got a match grade carbon-fiber HBAR that weighs like a pencil barrrel, and called it a day.
Solved all the previous dilemmas. Now one barrel actually can do it all, including be featherlight, and shoot like a match grade heavy barrel. Can't mount an M203 on it, though. |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 12:24:34 PM EDT
[#20]
I prefer standard parts. |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 12:33:10 PM EDT
[#21]
Niether was the AR15/M16 for that matter. |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 3:47:10 PM EDT
[#22]
I dont really like the M4 profile eather... BUT... for my first build I need a cheap barrel... so whoever has one and really hates it I will buy it for real cheap!!
Jim |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 4:20:04 PM EDT
[#23]
I lik'em, something about the cuts reminds me of the abrams M1A1 barrel
 That being said I own an 6721 Hbar, superlight bitches |
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Posted: 11/22/2005 5:24:35 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote from luckypunk
Hoohah... you da man...  And WTF is with the term "pencil" barrel. it's a standard profile vs. M4 profile vs. HBAR profile.I've never read in any Technical Manual describing the Nomenclature "Pencil" barrel I swear we have this debate once a month over barrel profiles. I wear a watch that weighs more then some of your rifles.... . Guess I'm old school by running an HBAR for the past 11 years, don't know how guys carried M4's with 203's under them with out passing out from the weight.....and god forbid the poor bastard carrying the "Pig" and a loader on an M1A1 Abrams loads a 53.2 lb heat round into the chamber every 5 seconds. Damn soft bitches...........
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Posted: 11/22/2005 5:41:02 PM EDT
[#25]
I happen to like the M4 profile. I like the notched cut in the barrel. I also like the fact that my rig weighs under 7lbs. so it won't feel like such a pig after I add a scope, rail system, forward grip, and possibly a tac light.
I guess that is why I bought my Bushmaster 16" M4A3 Carbine. Because I like it, and that is what I wanted. Who cares who it was designed for, or if I need to have it. If that was the case, then over 50% of us wouldn't even have an AR to start with. 4X4SC |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 7:41:00 PM EDT
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Stupid question but how do I tell what kind of barrel i have, M4 vs ?? . I want to order a upper reciver from GlobalTactical.Com but I would like to know which barrel i have. Thanks
Brian [email protected] |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 7:50:25 PM EDT
[#27]
M4 barrels have a stepdown cut into them in front of the front sight base.
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Posted: 1/15/2006 8:24:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/15/2006 8:33:05 PM EDT
[#29]
Thinner under the handguards too right? |
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Posted: 1/15/2006 10:18:00 PM EDT
[#30]
Regular "pencil" profile under the HGs: .675" to .600"
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Posted: 1/16/2006 3:48:19 AM EDT
[#31]
Maybe I'm odd, but I like the looks of the M4.
Since we have to have at least 16" of total length, the coutout makes the eye think it's shorter. And, compared the to the heavy barrel Bushy I used to have, the M4 profile cools off much quicker at the range. (Some will argue this, but I'm only stating my experience.) All of that said, I bet a pencil-thin would be nice and light. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 6:52:30 AM EDT
[#32]
I would kill if Colt would make a pencil barreled, mid length gun....ala a mid length 6520.
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Posted: 1/16/2006 7:03:50 AM EDT
[#33]
If you want the mid-length for gas-tube reasons you're out of luck. If you just prefer the barrel to be better covered, you can do a cut-down FSB and a DD 9.0 like I'm doing. I'm going to top it with a Troy flipup front BUIS, but they also make a fixed version. |
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Posted: 1/16/2006 7:41:12 AM EDT
[#34]
My Colt M4 is very accurate and consistant, thats what I enjoy the most out of it.
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Posted: 1/27/2006 3:36:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2006 4:34:34 AM EDT
[#36]
203's are overrated, I hardly ever get a chance to shoot mine over here.
But no, it's not that great a barrel and I plan on getting something else when I finally do my Ar build. "No, kids, this one is better than what Daddy carried in Iraq, it's what he would have had if all our gear wasn't bought on low bid by desk monkeys." 
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Posted: 1/27/2006 4:42:51 AM EDT
[#37]
Not a fan of the M203, not all that accurate now if we could get M79s, that was a great grenadiers weapon.
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Posted: 1/27/2006 6:49:44 AM EDT
[#38]
I don't really care either way about the m4 profile. I have no use for it, and if I have unlmited funds and needed a barrel I would pass on one and go straight to ABS and get a barrel from them. However, since funds are not unlimited, I will most likely get a barrel of the EE, and if someone here hates the m4 profile and wants to ditch their barrel cheap, I can find a home for it. In the end, they all do the same thing: Expel bullets.
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Posted: 1/27/2006 8:51:23 AM EDT
[#39]
I like full heavy baeerls. Don't really know wyh, but I do.
My main rifle is a 16" H bar Bushmaster. I don't know if it is more accurate or not, but I like the rifle. I have a DPMS A2 that I stuck a M4 proflie barrel on for my wife and to use as a loaner gun. It shoots fine, it's just lighter. |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 11:10:52 AM EDT
[#40]
I really don’t like the M4 profile for the reasons already cited. If that’s what people want I don’t have any problem with it, but they ain’t for me.
I don’t like the heavy barrels either. The way I figure it, the AR-15 is intended to be a light rifle. With some of the HBARs plus loaded magazine and accessories you are getting into the FAL weight category. But again, that’s me. Everyone and their kid sister markets an m-4 profile barrel these days. It seems to me that some of these companies would be better served by coming out with some different stuff. For example… 18” and 20” standard profile (pencil) barrels. 16” mid gas standard profile (pencil) barrels. 16” mid gas A2 profile barrels with a fluted front. 18” A2 profile barrels. Middle weight barrels about 0.65”-.068” in 16” mid, 18” and 20” length. Someone would obviously have to market new gas blocks and front sight bases for these rifles. But how hard can they be to make anyway? |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 11:25:09 AM EDT
[#41]
Right now, the pencil barrel with the .750 FSB bulge makes sense, because all the aftermarket flip sites are made for the .750 bulge.
I don't mind the bulge, given the opportunites it presents. |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 11:34:28 AM EDT
[#42]
I agree. One reason being... M4 is dated... Nearly all of the infantry weapons are now railed... That being said you can use a M203 that mounts to the rail isntead of the barrel... Better for accuracy and modularity. |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 11:49:18 AM EDT
[#43]
I like my M4 step-down barrel.
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Posted: 1/27/2006 12:24:11 PM EDT
[#45]
I would prefer a finned Barrel like on the Thompson SMG.
Increased surface areas results in faster cooling and heat dissipation! 
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Posted: 1/27/2006 12:35:02 PM EDT
[#46]
My M4 profile barrel came with the gun. For it's intended purpose it is accurate for me. I see no need to replace it.
My 20" is an HBAR. |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 1:06:39 PM EDT
[#47]
I think it's just fine. Nothing wrong with it.
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Posted: 1/27/2006 1:28:12 PM EDT
[#48]
I don't really dislike them, I just don't have any need for the M4 profile. I like the light weights.
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Posted: 1/27/2006 6:58:12 PM EDT
[#49]
Well working on an LW project with Noveske, we got the first 2 ever light carbine barrels. They are heavy in all the right places, but not too heavy. No M4 step, nice taper. In short I think it is an awesome profile. I look forward to the chrome lined ones as well.
Here is a pic of the barrel. Combat_jack, it sounds like what you describe as a great barrel. 
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Posted: 1/27/2006 8:01:23 PM EDT
[#50]
I have a woody now! I'm waiting on the chrome barrels to get my first Noveske barrel. That looks like a good contour. |
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