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Am I the only one saying "meh"? I built my 6.5 to fill my want for a more effective accurized AR without going into the 308 world. I can't think of when I would buy this ammo or shoot it? The Wolf Gold brass case is good for my "cheap" ammo. Though I suppose seeing any kind of ammo available in this caliber is worth getting excited for View Quote I'm interested to see what happens if you pull the Russkie 100 grain FMJ-BT and simply replace it with a high quality Match or Hunting projectile......we know the cases themselves are capable of providing excellent accuracy from previous testing. If you are only interested in shooting very tight groups on paper, then this ammunition may not do it for you. But if you do more than that, especially if you shoot on steel......it opens up some interesting possibilities. The mere introduction of this ammunition is going to have a noticeable effect on the commercial market. |
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Thanks so very much to you early adopters for your reports and photos. If any of you have a photo of a sectioned bullet, I'm sure many of us would greatly appreciate it.
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I think the Wolf 100 grain FMJ steel case would make a good round for hog hunting. Probably just as effective as 5.56 but might give you a little more range and you don't have to worry about the spent brass.
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I'll bet a 100 grn 6.5 Grendel would be an awesome hog round, much better than a 5.56, which is a very capable hog round on it's own.
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Woohoo!
This looks like a good match for my recently completed 12.5" 6.5G. |
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Forget about the AK, I want an RPD chambered in it. http://savethegun.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/rpdcarbine.jpg Lighter than a SAW, with performance like a medium machine gun. View Quote You dirty man. I like it. |
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Forget about the AK, I want an RPD chambered in it. http://savethegun.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/rpdcarbine.jpg Lighter than a SAW, with performance like a medium machine gun. View Quote I like the way you think! Put me down for 2! |
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I like the way you think! Put me down for 2! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Forget about the AK, I want an RPD chambered in it. http://savethegun.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/rpdcarbine.jpg Lighter than a SAW, with performance like a medium machine gun. I like the way you think! Put me down for 2! Welcome to the Dark Side Luke! |
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Has there been any word when it will be available for sale? These teasers are nice, but I want to buy some!
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Quoted: Am I the only one saying "meh"? I built my 6.5 to fill my want for a more effective accurized AR without going into the 308 world. I can't think of when I would buy this ammo or shoot it? The Wolf Gold brass case is good for my "cheap" ammo. Though I suppose seeing any kind of ammo available in this caliber is worth getting excited for View Quote I chose A-max over the Wolf Gold for my training classes. Like you said, my Grendels are medium-range accurized AR's. I'm glad that Wolf made this ammo, and that it will encourage more people to adopt the cartridge. |
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100 yard accuracy. Average for three 10-shot groups is 2.4 inches. View Quote How does this compare to US military 5.56 M855 Ball? 7.62 M80 Ball? |
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Has there been any word when it will be available for sale? These teasers are nice, but I want to buy some! View Quote I called Wolf, and was told December for widely available commercial distribution........ Whatever that means Maybe a few bigger places like AIM surplus will get it first. I think I linked this thread on the old one in the AA section. |
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If Wolf would offer the sister caliber of the Grendel (.50 Beowulf) it would be the best of both worlds....the best "medium bore" and the best big bore. I would be living large with cheap Grendel and Beowulf ammo. Beowulf ammo isn't really that expensive for what it is but being able to buy cheaper would super boost Beowulf sales too.
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oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god yesssssssssss now someone please ship a whole container load of it to new zealand
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I called Wolf, and was told December for widely available commercial distribution........ Whatever that means Maybe a few bigger places like AIM surplus will get it first. I think I linked this thread on the old one in the AA section. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Has there been any word when it will be available for sale? These teasers are nice, but I want to buy some! I called Wolf, and was told December for widely available commercial distribution........ Whatever that means Maybe a few bigger places like AIM surplus will get it first. I think I linked this thread on the old one in the AA section. It means they have received their first shipment and will receive a shipment each month in growing quantities. But the really BIG numbers will hit in November as the factory spools up to full production. |
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Quoted: If I can get my hands on primers I will reload them. If not, I'll convert some to Boxer primers. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Berdan primed? lol If I can get my hands on primers I will reload them. If not, I'll convert some to Boxer primers. Wolf sells us boxer primed steel cases for the .223. So what is the problem with the same for Grendel? |
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Wolf sells us boxer primed steel cases for the .223. So what is the problem with the same for Grendel? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Berdan primed? lol If I can get my hands on primers I will reload them. If not, I'll convert some to Boxer primers. Wolf sells us boxer primed steel cases for the .223. So what is the problem with the same for Grendel? There was no previous berdan cased 223, iirc. But the Grendel is based on the same case as the 7.62x39. Do they make steel boxer 7.62x39? If not, I doubt the Grendel will be boxer, either. |
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It means they have received their first shipment and will receive a shipment each month in growing quantities. But the really BIG numbers will hit in November as the factory spools up to full production. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Has there been any word when it will be available for sale? These teasers are nice, but I want to buy some! I called Wolf, and was told December for widely available commercial distribution........ Whatever that means Maybe a few bigger places like AIM surplus will get it first. I think I linked this thread on the old one in the AA section. It means they have received their first shipment and will receive a shipment each month in growing quantities. But the really BIG numbers will hit in November as the factory spools up to full production. So, where should I look for it?...... IM or email works best |
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So, where should I look for it?...... IM or email works best View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Has there been any word when it will be available for sale? These teasers are nice, but I want to buy some! I called Wolf, and was told December for widely available commercial distribution........ Whatever that means Maybe a few bigger places like AIM surplus will get it first. I think I linked this thread on the old one in the AA section. It means they have received their first shipment and will receive a shipment each month in growing quantities. But the really BIG numbers will hit in November as the factory spools up to full production. So, where should I look for it?...... IM or email works best Hey! You £^%#^£%!!!!!! We see what you tried there! As punishment, he'll IM me instead. |
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Quoted: So, where should I look for it?...... IM or email works best View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Has there been any word when it will be available for sale? These teasers are nice, but I want to buy some! I called Wolf, and was told December for widely available commercial distribution........ Whatever that means Maybe a few bigger places like AIM surplus will get it first. I think I linked this thread on the old one in the AA section. It means they have received their first shipment and will receive a shipment each month in growing quantities. But the really BIG numbers will hit in November as the factory spools up to full production. So, where should I look for it?...... IM or email works best Let me translate that reply for you - "two weeks". You do realize that steel cased Grendel ammo has been right around the corner for....like six years now. Wolf Gold was supposed to be under $10 a box, etc etc..... |
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Good to see the G ammo coming on line.
Hopefully that means the Tula 6.8 stuff will be in the pipeline soon since I think the G was the easier one for them to get out case production wise. I guess now that the ,223 market is softening they are able to concentrate on us 6.x guys. Good news all around. You guys enjoy that ammo and cross your fingers for your hard headed brothers. |
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Good to see the G ammo coming on line. Hopefully that means the Tula 6.8 stuff will be in the pipeline soon since I think the G was the easier one for them to get out case production wise. I guess now that the ,223 market is softening they are able to concentrate on us 6.x guys. Good news all around. You guys enjoy that ammo and cross your fingers for your hard headed brothers. View Quote Will do, I hope Tula does better for you than the Grendel folk. Tula was the original Wolf source for Grendel and never got it done. |
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All well and good till Zero bans the import by executive order or ATF classifies it as armor piercing. We need an affordable domestic ammo production alternative.
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All well and good till Zero bans the import by executive order or ATF classifies it as armor piercing. We need an affordable domestic ammo production alternative. View Quote I do worry about import bans, but they'd have to come up with a whole new definition of AP to declare this projectile as such. It has a bimetal jacket, an airspace in the nose, and a normal lead core in the rear. Nothing even remotely AP about it. |
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I do worry about import bans, but they'd have to come up with a whole new definition of AP to declare this projectile as such. It has a bimetal jacket, an airspace in the nose, and a normal lead core in the rear. Nothing even remotely AP about it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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All well and good till Zero bans the import by executive order or ATF classifies it as armor piercing. We need an affordable domestic ammo production alternative. I do worry about import bans, but they'd have to come up with a whole new definition of AP to declare this projectile as such. It has a bimetal jacket, an airspace in the nose, and a normal lead core in the rear. Nothing even remotely AP about it. Unless fired from a pistol that would readily defeat soft body armor. Look what happened with 5.45. |
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Unless fired from a pistol that would readily defeat soft body armor. Look what happened with 5.45. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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All well and good till Zero bans the import by executive order or ATF classifies it as armor piercing. We need an affordable domestic ammo production alternative. I do worry about import bans, but they'd have to come up with a whole new definition of AP to declare this projectile as such. It has a bimetal jacket, an airspace in the nose, and a normal lead core in the rear. Nothing even remotely AP about it. Unless fired from a pistol that would readily defeat soft body armor. Look what happened with 5.45. That applies to 5.45 7n6 ammunition which has a steel core in front of the lead one. The 100 grain Grendel FMJ projectile (that Dave posted a sectioned core pic of above) contains no such steel "penetrator". |
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Speaking of the projectile....does anyone have concerns about the bi-metal jacket in their match grade SS barrels? I'll be honest, I've never put any WOLF rounds down an SS barrel (only chrome-lined).
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Speaking of the projectile....does anyone have concerns about the bi-metal jacket in their match grade SS barrels? I'll be honest, I've never put any WOLF rounds down an SS barrel (only chrome-lined). View Quote Will it wear your barrel quicker? I'm sure it will, but with the savings it might be worth it. (cost of ammo vs cost of new barrel) A look at 'standard' ammo vs import ammo in .223 |
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Will it wear your barrel quicker? I'm sure it will, but with the savings it might be worth it. (cost of ammo vs cost of new barrel) A look at 'standard' ammo vs import ammo in .223 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Speaking of the projectile....does anyone have concerns about the bi-metal jacket in their match grade SS barrels? I'll be honest, I've never put any WOLF rounds down an SS barrel (only chrome-lined). Will it wear your barrel quicker? I'm sure it will, but with the savings it might be worth it. (cost of ammo vs cost of new barrel) A look at 'standard' ammo vs import ammo in .223 Wow, that was a great read. Definitely bookmarked. Thanks Forest! |
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Quoted: I understand the attitude, except the ammo is real, its here and its gooood....... there will even be a nice gel shot pic in Shotgun News in august.......with an early yaw cycle. http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss273/Gunwritr/Wolf%20Grendel%20Steel%20Case/Reduced_zpse0d36442-1.jpg View Quote Now THAT is a well done bullet section. |
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Will it wear your barrel quicker? I'm sure it will, but with the savings it might be worth it. (cost of ammo vs cost of new barrel) A look at 'standard' ammo vs import ammo in .223 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Speaking of the projectile....does anyone have concerns about the bi-metal jacket in their match grade SS barrels? I'll be honest, I've never put any WOLF rounds down an SS barrel (only chrome-lined). Will it wear your barrel quicker? I'm sure it will, but with the savings it might be worth it. (cost of ammo vs cost of new barrel) A look at 'standard' ammo vs import ammo in .223 While I would never come close to shooting those amounts through my Grendel I'm rethinking my interest in the steel cased stuff now after reading that test. Considering the cost of buying/building a Grendel along with the difficulty in finding barrels at the moment, I would feel like I'm slowly borking my barrel shooting steel cased ammo. I'm a worrier so that's probably more to do with it than anything but it's like running cheap ammo in your race car just some of the time, probably won't destroy it but it's going to leave a mark. I dunno....I sure wish Federal or similar others would start making Grendel ammo. |
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While I would never come close to shooting those amounts through my Grendel I'm rethinking my interest in the steel cased stuff now after reading that test. Considering the cost of buying/building a Grendel along with the difficulty in finding barrels at the moment, I would feel like I'm slowly borking my barrel shooting steel cased ammo. I'm a worrier so that's probably more to do with it than anything but it's like running cheap ammo in your race car just some of the time, probably won't destroy it but it's going to leave a mark. I dunno....I sure wish Federal or similar others would start making Grendel ammo. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Speaking of the projectile....does anyone have concerns about the bi-metal jacket in their match grade SS barrels? I'll be honest, I've never put any WOLF rounds down an SS barrel (only chrome-lined). Will it wear your barrel quicker? I'm sure it will, but with the savings it might be worth it. (cost of ammo vs cost of new barrel) A look at 'standard' ammo vs import ammo in .223 While I would never come close to shooting those amounts through my Grendel I'm rethinking my interest in the steel cased stuff now after reading that test. Considering the cost of buying/building a Grendel along with the difficulty in finding barrels at the moment, I would feel like I'm slowly borking my barrel shooting steel cased ammo. I'm a worrier so that's probably more to do with it than anything but it's like running cheap ammo in your race car just some of the time, probably won't destroy it but it's going to leave a mark. I dunno....I sure wish Federal or similar others would start making Grendel ammo. Its not hard to find Grendel barrels today |
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While I would never come close to shooting those amounts through my Grendel I'm rethinking my interest in the steel cased stuff now after reading that test. Considering the cost of buying/building a Grendel along with the difficulty in finding barrels at the moment, I would feel like I'm slowly borking my barrel shooting steel cased ammo. I'm a worrier so that's probably more to do with it than anything but it's like running cheap ammo in your race car just some of the time, probably won't destroy it but it's going to leave a mark. I dunno....I sure wish Federal or similar others would start making Grendel ammo. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Speaking of the projectile....does anyone have concerns about the bi-metal jacket in their match grade SS barrels? I'll be honest, I've never put any WOLF rounds down an SS barrel (only chrome-lined). Will it wear your barrel quicker? I'm sure it will, but with the savings it might be worth it. (cost of ammo vs cost of new barrel) A look at 'standard' ammo vs import ammo in .223 While I would never come close to shooting those amounts through my Grendel I'm rethinking my interest in the steel cased stuff now after reading that test. Considering the cost of buying/building a Grendel along with the difficulty in finding barrels at the moment, I would feel like I'm slowly borking my barrel shooting steel cased ammo. I'm a worrier so that's probably more to do with it than anything but it's like running cheap ammo in your race car just some of the time, probably won't destroy it but it's going to leave a mark. I dunno....I sure wish Federal or similar others would start making Grendel ammo. If you are not getting your barrel 800 degrees, I would not worry about it. I hate that fucking stupid luckygunner test because it only tells half the truth and they waay underemphasize the effect of the temps they are getting the barrels to. It is essentially a destructive test the way they are conducting it. |
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If you are not getting your barrel 800 degrees, I would not worry about it. I hate that fucking stupid luckygunner test because it only tells half the truth and they waay underemphasize the effect of the temps they are getting the barrels to. It is essentially a destructive test the way they are conducting it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Speaking of the projectile....does anyone have concerns about the bi-metal jacket in their match grade SS barrels? I'll be honest, I've never put any WOLF rounds down an SS barrel (only chrome-lined). Will it wear your barrel quicker? I'm sure it will, but with the savings it might be worth it. (cost of ammo vs cost of new barrel) A look at 'standard' ammo vs import ammo in .223 While I would never come close to shooting those amounts through my Grendel I'm rethinking my interest in the steel cased stuff now after reading that test. Considering the cost of buying/building a Grendel along with the difficulty in finding barrels at the moment, I would feel like I'm slowly borking my barrel shooting steel cased ammo. I'm a worrier so that's probably more to do with it than anything but it's like running cheap ammo in your race car just some of the time, probably won't destroy it but it's going to leave a mark. I dunno....I sure wish Federal or similar others would start making Grendel ammo. If you are not getting your barrel 800 degrees, I would not worry about it. I hate that fucking stupid luckygunner test because it only tells half the truth and they waay underemphasize the effect of the temps they are getting the barrels to. It is essentially a destructive test the way they are conducting it. I agree with a lot of that. I think the test was incredibly useful but not for most people. Unless you are following that extreme firing schedule your results are going to be totally different. It is a no brainer for me with wolf in general. If the gun works with it you will more than cover the cost of a new barrel by the time you wear it out. |
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If only they had ran a control rifle where they fired that 10K over a month instead of in a weekend.
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Truth be told, it could still be done but it would have been better to have used a representative ammo from one of the same lots used for the other testing.
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