Quoted: We may be starting up the Tripower trend right now as we type!!! Soon we will be telling all others "we told ya so"!!!

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Yeah, Trijicon has a part# listed in the brochure for the Tripower killflash, so they must be out there somewhere!?! Im gonna try calling Tenebraex tomorrow. Ill keep ya posted.

AFAIK the killflash DOES have a part # with trijicon, but is not available for retail sale...and the polarizing filter may be a long way off, considering how busy trijicon is supplying troops etc.

Quoted: I dont own a Tri-Power but have messed with one quite a bit over the last couple weeks. Outside, in daylight, I doubt you will have much of a problem with washout. However, if you are in an artificially lit area (indoors) and you look out into a daylit area (out a window or doorway) you will get washout pretty easy. The same can be said with working in a dimly lit environment and using a bright flashlight like a Surefire. The tritium is not bright enough to overpower the bright light. These instances are the same problems that people had with the Reflex II. This, in my opinion, is the very reason you have the battery and cylume stick back up. If you are working at night using a light, or working indoors and it is daylight outside, power up the battery. At that point the reticle can be lit as bright (maybe brighter) than an Aimpoint. Other than those or similar lighting instances, just leave the battery off and work with the fiberoptics/tritium power sources.

Perfect reply.

If I think I am in a situation where washout may be an issue I automatically go on battery power. Problem solved, simple as that.

Outdoors I have not had to power up the batteries yet. The fiber optics have lit the reticle perfectly 100% of the time.

damn, now i wish i would have taken side by side reticle pictures when i had both the Tripower AND the Aimpoint in my posession..

The tripower reticle is NO WHERE NEAR as bright as the Aimpoints even at the highest settings, using battery power, with new batteries, with both units using the same brand battery.

Bright sandy conditions (afghanistan, or any other sandbox) no way the tripower reticle is getting the job done.  even with battery PLUS ambient light.  I live in Las Vegas, and had trouble finding the reticle sometimes with a light sandy, brightly lit backdrop (such as the desert area that surrounds me)...

I would go so far as to say that the Aimpoint reticle is TWICE as bright as the tripower's.

Too bad too...the  tripowers reticle is perfectly crisp and clear in nearly every other lighting situation.

Quoted: damn, now i wish i would have taken side by side reticle pictures when i had both the Tripower AND the Aimpoint in my posession.. The tripower reticle is NO WHERE NEAR as bright as the Aimpoints even at the highest settings, using battery power, with new batteries, with both units using the same brand battery. Bright sandy conditions (afghanistan, or any other sandbox) no way the tripower reticle is getting the job done.  even with battery PLUS ambient light.  I live in Las Vegas, and had trouble finding the reticle sometimes with a light sandy, brightly lit backdrop (such as the desert area that surrounds me)... I would go so far as to say that the Aimpoint reticle is TWICE as bright as the tripower's. Too bad too...the  tripowers reticle is perfectly crisp and clear in nearly every other lighting situation.

That does not sound right at all.
My Tripower gets ridiculously bright, at least as bright (if not brighter) than any red dot sight I have looked through (including Aimpoints and Holosights). In fact, I can't even picture a scenario where it's extreme brightness settings would need to be used.

do me a favor, tomorrow at noon, assuming that it is bright sunlight tomorrow at noon wherever you live, take the tripower out and find the whitest thing you can find...like a white block wall, or a white painted house..

see if the reticle washes out against that.

Quoted: do me a favor, tomorrow at noon, assuming that it is bright sunlight tomorrow at noon wherever you live, take the tripower out and find the whitest thing you can find...like a white block wall, or a white painted house.. see if the reticle washes out against that.

Short of aiming at the sun at high noon, nothing would cause my Tripower's reticle to washout on it's highest settings.  
My unit is one of the 1st generation models, so maybe they changed something along the way to tone down the brightness.

Well, since I don't live near the desert and don't plan on going to one I'll be OK.  If for some reason I do find myself in the desert I'll use the iron sights or a cell phone to call someone to pick me up and get me out of the desert.  

Quoted: Well, since I don't live near the desert and don't plan on going to one I'll be OK.  If for some reason I do find myself in the desert I'll use the iron sights or a cell phone to call someone to pick me up and get me out of the desert.

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Quoted: I will try to take some photos. Its raining like mad right now, so the pics may be indoors. But I'll see what I can do.

That^ would be much appreciated.

newAR, attempt to find some conditions like i described...

really light colored background,.....like something that is painted white, lit by sunlight.

then compare the reticle clarity of the two sights against that backdrop.

phew!!!  thanks for that!!!  i thought maybe i was going crazy, or had gotten rid of a perfectly good tripower!!

I've already ordered my TriPower so it's too late (well, I guess I could cancel it, but I don't want to *holds breath and pouts*).  Is the Aimpoint better at everything than the TriPower?  Maybe I got the impression that the Aimpoint wasn't very good at night without an NVD.  When I was reading about the different sights there must have been a reason I ultimately didn't choose the Aimpoint.  hinking.gif

Quoted: Tri Power is also noticably more expensive.

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I obviously didn't shop around.   h.gif

Well, I guess the fiber optic glowing wouldn't be too bad for what I would use it - not doing any midnight patrols or stalking.  Kind of a if-you-can-see-this-you'll-be-dead-before-you-realize-what-it-is scenario.  Hollywood!  

Im going to agree with NeawARguy on this....in almost all situations the tripower performs admirably....the chevron reticle is IMHO superior to the 4MOA dot of the Aimpoint.  The tripowers drawbacks are thus:  (as far as i can tell)

1. not bright enough, even with battery, the reticle is not bright enough to prevent washout in the brightest of situations.
2. No scope caps.  Just a pet peve of mine...i would like to have an easy way to protect the lenses during transport.
3. Lots of plastic.  From the 30mm tube back...all plastic.  we deserve better than that.  If i were to drop my rifle, and it landed optic first, i would not trust the Tripower to hold up.


For plusses i give it this:

1. always "on"  even in pitch black, pick up your rifle and the tritium powered reticle is GTG.  With ambient light, same thing, the light gathering fiber optic keeps the reticle at the perfect illumination.
2. Weight, it is noticably lighter than the Aimpoint, mostly due to the extensive use of plastic.
3.   Chevron reticle, i feel is superior to the dot of the Aimpoint.  Can also act as a range finder in certain instances, the outside limbs of the reticle being the width of a military sillhouette at 100 yarnds, and the inside of the limbs, the width of the same sillhouette at 200 yards.  Also the pinpoint of the top of the reticle give a superior aiming point as opposed to the Aimpoint dot.

I think that the tripower is an excellent optic, and is worthy of standing alongside the Aimpoint and the Eotech...However, scope caps and reticle brightness will improve the design immensely.

Quoted: 3.   Chevron reticle...Can also act as a range finder in certain instances, the outside limbs of the reticle being the width of a military sillhouette at 100 yarnds, and the inside of the limbs, the width of the same sillhouette at 200 yards.

Now that's sweet.

Since you mentioned the EO Tech: two of  the questions I had for them, but they never got back to me:

1) If the 550AA were mounted on a carry handle would the sight sit too high?

2) Does the 550AA have it's own light source?  I didn't think it did since it was compatible with NVDs.

I don't have a tri-power but have used ACOGs quite a bit.  

From what I've read, it seems that Trijicon has dropped the ball on the tri-power--with both revisions.  

What they should have done is taken the superb ACOG and transformed it into a 1x sight with lighstick backup.

I've NEVER seen an ACOG reticle "washout" in any condition--the fibre optic tube always seems to provide just the proper amount of illumination.

The ACOG reticles  are only dim when used in very dark ambient light conditions (inside) and aiming to very bright conditions (outside).  And even then, the etched reticle is visible, it just doesn't glow.  For anticipated use in those conditions, a 12+ hour lightstick could be used--and THAT seems like a somewhat rare situation indeed.  

I don't understand why Trijicon felt the need to reinvent the wheel with the tri-power.  

A modified ACOG would have worked and been available pretty quickly.  

Quoted: A modified ACOG would have worked and been available pretty quickly.

Yeah, the ACOGs did seem sweet and if I ever put a >1X optic on my AR I would definitely go for one of those.  

Will Trijicon replace the dim tritum in 6 years?

As far as i know, the tritium is replacable, but its dimming over time is not covered under the warrantee...so they will replace it, but with a fee..

If i understand it correctly.

THe tritium is "suppossed' to last 10 to 12 years. I know someone who has Trijicon night sights on a pistol that are 15 years old, and they still glow.

I have only experienced reticle washout when shooting from under a covered bench into bright midday sunlight at a light colored target. Even then it was useable, just not as bright as it could be.

Love that chevron reticle.

It does need some thread in lens caps.

Here's a curious question for y'all:  if I mount the TriPower with the cheesy mount with which it is bundled and then change to the the "throw lever" mount later, but perfectly align the sight in the same alignment front-to-back do y'all think it will still be zeroed?  he

Order the A.R.M.S. mount from here: www.calssportingarmory.com/ARMSnumber22TX30.htm

I did and got mine in a few days.

Wes

Quoted: Here's a curious question for y'all:  if I mount the TriPower with the cheesy mount with which it is bundled and then change to the the "throw lever" mount later, but perfectly align the sight in the same alignment front-to-back do y'all think it will still be zeroed?   The TriPower is in stock and has shipped, but the ARMS mount was not and I don't want to wait 6-8 weeks to mount the sight.  While we are on the subject: is a 1x sight such as the TriPower still called a "scope"?

Very doubtful. You will have to rezero.

I bet I can find some screw in lens covers or filters at a camera shop. I might try to find a polarizing filter for the front.

Quoted: THe tritium is "suppossed' to last 10 to 12 years. I know someone who has Trijicon night sights on a pistol that are 15 years old, and they still glow. I have only experienced reticle washout when shooting from under a covered bench into bright midday sunlight at a light colored target. Even then it was useable, just not as bright as it could be. Love that chevron reticle. It does need some thread in lens caps.

Uh, compare those old sights with new ones. I was recently introduced to this "issue". They fade faster than you think. The difference is clear next to new ones.....

Quoted: Order the A.R.M.S. mount from here: www.calssportingarmory.com/ARMSnumber22TX30.htm Wes

That's from whom I ordered the sight, but the mount was cheaper at AZ Gun Runners.  h=85%