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Posted: 9/29/2004 11:54:50 AM EDT
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Like I said I don't care whethor it's current issue or not you said yourself that the early ones had the fixed handle fine then thats what I'm after it's a preferance thing, so what are the correct specifications for that version, does it still have all those other sudtle little differances?....
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Posted: 9/29/2004 11:59:09 AM EDT
[#2]
You can't afford what you want to do. |
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Posted: 9/29/2004 12:08:51 PM EDT
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The early M4A1's had a fixed carrying handle. I IM'd you about providing you with the specs but seeing as you never IM'd me back I guess you don't want my help. |
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Posted: 9/29/2004 12:10:59 PM EDT
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He's a fucking airsofter. Q(11B)S |
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Posted: 9/29/2004 12:19:29 PM EDT
[#5]
Figures... |
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Posted: 9/29/2004 12:34:20 PM EDT
[#6]
The hell I am, and I don't appritiate the assumption....
I just noticed the IM by the way.... |
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Posted: 9/29/2004 12:41:50 PM EDT
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Well if you want an M4 "style" with a carrying handle that's not hard to do. In fact I'm getting ready to build an M4 profile AR with M4 style barrel and hand guards and a built in carrying handle (non-flat top). Model 1 and Ameetec just to name a few make them. They're not an authentic M4 but no civilian model really is.
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Posted: 9/29/2004 3:44:39 PM EDT
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Weren't those XM4s?
+1 Sorry, he wants it all, he wants it cheap, and he wants it now. |
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Posted: 9/29/2004 4:54:07 PM EDT
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Don't get me wrong, not all other brands are better nor am I saying that, it's just that the Colt M4 handguard is not what it's made out to be. I have personally seen several Colt brand M4 handguards melt. On the other hand, I have seen other brands that with or without heat shields do not melt or get too hot to hold even after the gas tube has melted. In my not so humble opinion, the Colt M4 handguards are all hype. Was I a little harsh when I called them crap? Maybe, but they are definitely not higher in quality than other company's comparable handguards. |
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Posted: 9/29/2004 4:55:45 PM EDT
[#10]
You have an IM... IM me back if you have any questions...
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Posted: 9/29/2004 5:03:54 PM EDT
[#11]
Neither is a 14.5 inch barrel with a permanantly attached vortex or phantom flash suppressor, and don't forget the full auto parts that it lacks which make it "out of spec" too! |
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Posted: 9/29/2004 5:05:38 PM EDT
[#12]
16" barrels do look gay, I think the 14.5" with a phantom looks kick ass, it may not be spec but it still looks cool, and after all looking cool is the most important part of a gun fight right? 
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Posted: 9/29/2004 5:07:04 PM EDT
[#13]
First Rule: Shoot good.
Second Rule: Look good. |
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Posted: 9/29/2004 5:07:39 PM EDT
[#14]
Didn't we have this conversation once before? 
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Posted: 9/29/2004 5:09:46 PM EDT
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I have had many ARs and been issued many M16s. Of all of them, not one ever had M4 feedramps. Of the few malfunctions I have ever had out of Stoner's design, not one could I ever attribute to lack of M4 feed ramps. M4 feed ramps are not needed. |
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Posted: 9/29/2004 5:11:21 PM EDT
[#16]
True, the feedramps are probably not needed but I have never seen an issued M4 without them, and thats what the dude is asking about. |
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Posted: 9/29/2004 5:11:49 PM EDT
[#17]
Looking cool is part of it, but I'll look cooler with my sound suppressor... whenever I can afford one. 
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Posted: 9/29/2004 5:14:08 PM EDT
[#18]
Its possible, I believe I have posted it before. |
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Posted: 9/29/2004 5:19:11 PM EDT
[#19]
Hmmm...comparing your experience with AR's and M16's to the extensive testing done by Colt on behalf of the military. I can definitely see your point.  I'm going to share a little secret with you...M16's don't require the feedramps as they didn't exhibit the same kinds of failures in the tests that were conducted. It's a carbine thing, dude. |
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Posted: 9/29/2004 5:39:27 PM EDT
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OK - you already nixed the 1.5 inch flash suppressor to make a legal barrel length so I don't know what the fuck you are talking about anymore. 2 things you need to do: 1) Leave Michigan. 2) Increase your budget to about $1500 and pay the $200 to buy an M4 as an SBR. It sounds like no matter what you get, you won't be happy until you have a real M4... you'll end up paying for it eventually so just come to terms with knowing that you want an M4 clone with a 14.5 inch barrel and start the Form 4. |
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Posted: 9/29/2004 5:40:27 PM EDT
[#21]
It seems that what you want is a carbine like the one in the pic below. Like QuietShootr said, you can't afford it.
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Posted: 9/29/2004 5:41:51 PM EDT
[#22]
That would be cool if it were not for the slab side receiver. I think they look like ass. But to each his own.
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Posted: 9/29/2004 10:32:33 PM EDT
[#23]
Nah, the flash suppressor is still too long.
I hear those Airsoft guns are identical to the real deal tho. |
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Posted: 9/29/2004 10:35:48 PM EDT
[#24]
That OAI 6mm looks pretty good. |
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Posted: 9/30/2004 2:31:04 AM EDT
[#25]
$1500 for an AR-15 is insane, and don't take offense but unless it's made of gold if you pay that much your on crack....
Look I'm not trying to start a war here all I want is the most correct version that I can legaly get, and from what you say the early type it's a preferance thing.... I will not, I repeat NOT use a 16" barrel, a 1:9 twist, an HBAR, non chrome lined, the flat top, non standard pins, a Phantom, or a Vortex flash suppressor, or insanely high prices, I requir a 14.5" barrel with the correct government profile with M-203 groove, chrome lined, chamber, and bore, with a 1:7 twist, the early style A2 carry handle, and the flash suppressor must eighther be an A2 thats been jery rigged to the legal length, or an elongated A2 like I mentioned in my first post.... Now from what I gathered the features that differ on the M-4 are the handgaurds, forward sight base hight, side mounted forward sling swivil, the feed ramp, and I also heared something about the shape of the carry handle, now is that it?.... Now as I said I'm building the earlier version with the fixed carry handle, so which of those features if any are correct on this version M-4.... Now again my budget is $800 and I think thats high, now I don't care if I have to build it myself and I can do it well within budget, I can get the complete lower with the teloscopic stock for about $150, I'm willing to spend up to $200 for the barrel, I can get the upper for $140, the bolt for about $110, and the charging handle for $15, for a grand total of $615, which gives me $185 to spare should one of the parts cost more than I anticipate specificly the barrel, so don't say it can't be done because it can, I've already tracked down the suppliers, and done the math, now all I have to get the information exactly what is correct?.... |
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Posted: 9/30/2004 2:53:37 AM EDT
[#26]
What is wrong with your LMT??? Any problems??? |
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Posted: 9/30/2004 2:58:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2004 8:19:35 AM EDT
[#28]
1) A lot of people want the look you crave. Good luck on finding that special elongated A2 flash suppressor. I think that if it were that easy to acquire, we would see more permanently attached A2's than Phantoms. 2) A $150 complete lower half most likely does not have a receiver extension with the correct dimensions. The only companies I know of that make "correct" receiver extensions are Colt, LMT, and Vltor. Colt and LMT lowers fall far from your budget, and if I recall correctly, Vltor does not sell complete lower halves. 3) Etc, etc... hough |
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Posted: 9/30/2004 9:24:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2004 11:21:51 AM EDT
[#30]
KKF |
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Posted: 9/30/2004 11:29:42 AM EDT
[#31]
Nothing, its a good gun. |
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Posted: 9/30/2004 12:07:20 PM EDT
[#32]
If you buy a complete lower for around $135.00 at that price the ones I have seen do not have the receiver extention included with them. Vltor sells the correct size receiver extention but I think it is 6 position and not 4. I think $800.00 just for the weapon is not far fetched for a reliable rifle. You do not NEED a Colt to have a reliable rifle. I have a little over 6 in mine (just the rifle, no accessories) and it is flawless, not one failure yet, but then again I bought a slightly used upper and shopped around A LOT. My butt stock is used, upper is used, scope mount is used, light is used, and you can not tell by looking at any of it that it was not bran new. Dont let anyone tell you you HAVE to spend $1500.00 or more to get a good M4, I think that is insane myself...
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Posted: 9/30/2004 6:57:28 PM EDT
[#33]
Colt, and the other high priced brands are no better than the others generaly, just because it's expensive does not automaticly make it good, I think it's a case of you go and blow over a thousand dollars on a rifle, go to the range and procede to be eighther outshot, or come even with somebody with a cheaper rifle, and you through a hissy fit of "Well my rifles better then yours so there" to justify the price you paid I tell you what I'll go out and buy the cheapest beater rifle I can for under $50 and sell it to you for $10,000 by your logic that must make that beater rifle the most accurite, most reliable, uber, super, duper cool rifle in the world because it costs the most....
My Rock River cost less than half of what you guys are paying, and guess what my groups are touching and I haven't had a single malfunction yet.... As for what I'm after I told you the most correct rifle as legaly possible.... |
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Posted: 9/30/2004 7:31:04 PM EDT
[#34]
LMFAO.. Tell you what, son. You name the shooting contest, and you bring your carbine and I'll bring mine. Talk shit afterward, if you can. |
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Posted: 9/30/2004 7:33:55 PM EDT
[#35]
Dude, that sight is awesome! They got discounts on all the bling! 
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Posted: 9/30/2004 7:35:17 PM EDT
[#36]
You tried to help him, Quiet, and there's your thanks.
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Posted: 9/30/2004 8:11:25 PM EDT
[#37]
Oh incase your wondering I checked the current price colt charges the millitary for an M-4 is $494.41, and thats with the carry handle....
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Posted: 9/30/2004 8:14:53 PM EDT
[#38]
Yeah, and the military doesnt pay 11% excise tax, and they order a few hundred thousand a pop. |
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Posted: 9/30/2004 8:34:38 PM EDT
[#39]
My head hurts after reading this thread. It's like...
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Posted: 9/30/2004 8:44:19 PM EDT
[#40]
Not true, I heared the price from a civilian contracter in Iraq, (actually he leavs tomorrow....) who had to buy his own gun and since he has to leave it in Iraq the BATF allowd him to get the real thing, so he was able to get it at millitary price, so being an individual I would imagen he would still have to pay the excise tax, and he only bought 1 rifle so thats the price each no volume discount....
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Posted: 9/30/2004 8:56:29 PM EDT
[#41]
His rifle is an add on to the military contract. Under the wording of the contract, other parts of the federal government can add to a military order, at that price. I suspect he bought his on an end user certificate, and somehow he got the same price they would charge the state department. |
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Posted: 9/30/2004 9:16:04 PM EDT
[#42]
He's not in the Federal government he's a private contractor, if he works for anyone it's Haliburton (He was highered to gaurd there oil lines....).... From what I here thats also about the price the Police pay, assumeing they opt for the real thing and not the semi....
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Posted: 9/30/2004 9:18:21 PM EDT
[#43]
If it's so cheap and easy to get a real M4, then get yourself one of those high paying contrctor jobs and buy all the M4s you want.
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Posted: 9/30/2004 9:19:00 PM EDT
[#44]
hired and guard their And I understand that he is a private contractor. |
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Posted: 9/30/2004 9:53:42 PM EDT
[#45]
And we told you how to get it, would you like us to tell you where to go? |
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Posted: 10/1/2004 2:53:03 AM EDT
[#46]
I know thats right. Where is Samuel Jackson with the "spell check motherfucker"..... 
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Posted: 10/2/2004 11:48:30 PM EDT
[#47]
One thing I've noticed as I go to variouse message boards is that when people dissaggree about something, and can't come up with a logical counter they resort to name calling, and insulting spelling errors, and or typos, except normaly it's Liberals who do this when you dare dissagree with them....
Oh it seems I'm right about some M-4's not haveing the removeable handle, I found a very interesting artical while I was surfing I encourage you all to read it, not just to prove me right but because theres alot of good information on there that you might find interesting it's a long artical on multipal pages just click continue at the bottom of the pages, it goes from the M-4's history, configuration, assessorys, how it's being used, etc..... www.specialoperations.com/Weapons/Features/M4/Default.html The model I'm going for is the 720.... |
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Posted: 10/3/2004 12:35:28 AM EDT
[#48]
That article has plenty of errors and incorrectly captioned photos, proof comes in a different form.
ETA He's proud of that old link |
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Posted: 10/3/2004 6:00:39 AM EDT
[#49]
No one ever said that the early M4A1's didn't have fixed carrying handles. None are in service any more with the Army that I have ever seen. The Airforce uses a fixed A1 upper on theirs and the seals use to use the early M4A1's with fixed carrying handles (as did Army SF) but both the Navy and Army have adopted the flat top receiver. Build what you want to man, it is a free country and no one should bust your chops on here for it BUT you asked us for help and you were all fucked up on your info so we tried to help, no more from me though, you obviously don't appreciate it. Have fun.... out. ETA: And I am not one to talk in this area but you realy need to use a spell check. |
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Posted: 10/3/2004 9:23:46 AM EDT
[#50]
I am confused why the 16" barrel is so frowned upon as not used ny the military. I have seen photos of 16" barrels in use. Here is a link ...unless I am crazy.http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/USSOCOM_Training/a_aft01
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