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Good to hear been looking for another pa rds to accompany my md 06l that has been discontinued.
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or when they're back in stock View Quote You got my hopes up with the thread title. |
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What is the preferred mount for these. Lower 1/3 or absolute. Do you need a mount riser or can you just mount directly. I have never used a red dot.
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Do the PROs have a bad tint to them? My ml3 was much more clear than the older PA micro I had.
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Do the PROs have a bad tint to them? My ml3 was much more clear than the older PA micro I had. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Do the PROs have a bad tint to them? My ml3 was much more clear than the older PA micro I had. Older PA Micros had noticeably more tint than this one. My PRO is clear - this MD-ADS is just as clear IMO. When photographed, both have a slight tint. Quoted:
What is the preferred mount for these. Lower 1/3 or absolute. Do you need a mount riser or can you just mount directly. I have never used a red dot. A riser is preferred. Mounting it directly on the rail will work, but you'll have an extremely awkward cheek weld and if you have a fixed front sight it'll be in the way. Lower 1/3rd vs absolute is personal preference and both work great. |
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Have to tested the return to zero with that mount? Just curious.
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I have the adm mount with mine, the same mount I have on my aimpoint. Got mine yesterday.
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Shit, I didn't think they'd be back in stock so quick. I don't know which mount to get. I want a lower 1/3 QD, but which one?
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The much increased battery life as well as the increased durability of the MD-ADS has really gotten me interested in this model.
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ok so who is going to set one up 3 feet from an explosion to see if it's as durable as an aimpoint? any volunteers?
i'm torn between 2 of these and 1 magnifier, or 2 aimpoint PRO's or sitting with just 1 acog and iron sights on my AR pistol. |
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How does one get a good cheek weld with that thing mounted up so high?
Or is it not as 'skyscraper' as it appears in the pictures? |
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Really clear glass- as clear as my T1, much clearer than my H1 My H1 is way too blue for its price. Sharp 2MOA dot. PA really has a winner here.
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Has anyone set one of these up on an A1 or A2 with a gooseneck mount?
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Well, I got two coming in tomorrow. I have never used a red dot so I am looking forward to trying them out. I do have an eotech that i do like but wanted to try an aimpoint pro but figured I could step in with these from primary arms. Hope I didn't fall for the hype but at least my buying experience with CS has already been great. They were extremely helpful.
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Just not buyin' it... http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t135/eracer1111/2ndA/Noveske%20300%20BLK%20SBR/Noveske300BLK004_small.jpg https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3947/14975575374_da11524b14_b.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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How does one get a good cheek weld with that thing mounted up so high? Or is it not as 'skyscraper' as it appears in the pictures? It sits exactly the same height as an aimpoint. Either absolute cowitness or lower 1/3rd. Just not buyin' it... http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t135/eracer1111/2ndA/Noveske%20300%20BLK%20SBR/Noveske300BLK004_small.jpg https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3947/14975575374_da11524b14_b.jpg When he said it is the same height as an Aimpoint he was referring to the T1/H1, not a Comp/PRO |
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Umm, the full size Comp M4 has a larger tube and is way larger overall, so visually it will look like it sits lower (the bottom edge does due to increased tube dia.). However, given a lower 1/3d to lower 1/3d mount on each, the optical center will be in the same place even if the micro "looks" like it sits higher.
Provided the MD-ADS proves reliable in the field, I think it will be the king of budget red dots as it finally breaks the long battery life threshold and is still under $200. I'm very happy with the MD-06 I got on sale for $60 and put on a .22 build. I still trust my life to Aimpoint on my HD gun, but I only need one of those. |
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The fact Cowitnessing and Lower 1/3 Cowitnessing always mean the same thing, no matter what optic. It can be said that despite what any picture looks like yes, its the same cheek weld.
Absolute Cowitness aimpoint, eotech, t1 h1, comp m4, primary arms bushell, rmr all mean that they are at the same height center of the optic wise. It only looks that way due to the narrow base as theres no reason to have a girthy base for a sub 4 oz optic. |
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Its funny how this was a thread about a new optic that is touted to be "as tough" as any other micro red dot on the market, and a 50k battery life, and yet we're stuck talking about how people don't trust the company to make an optic the right height.
Hell, we're really not even talking about the optic anymore, just the mounting base, and the new PA optic in question actually fits on the same exact mounts as an Aimpoint if I'm not mistaken. |
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Its funny how this was a thread about a new optic that is touted to be "as tough" as any other micro red dot on the market, and a 50k battery life, and yet we're stuck talking about how people don't trust the company to make an optic the right height. Hell, we're really not even talking about the optic anymore, just the mounting base, and the new PA optic in question actually fits on the same exact mounts as an Aimpoint if I'm not mistaken. View Quote PA are great for beginners and novice shooters, or for 22LR IMO, but NOT for duty or serious use. I say serious because its subjective for everyone. Anyway, I call BS on the highlighted. |
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PA are great for beginners and novice shooters, or for 22LR IMO, but NOT for duty or serious use. I say serious because its subjective for everyone. Anyway, I call BS on the highlighted. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Its funny how this was a thread about a new optic that is touted to be "as tough" as any other micro red dot on the market, and a 50k battery life, and yet we're stuck talking about how people don't trust the company to make an optic the right height. Hell, we're really not even talking about the optic anymore, just the mounting base, and the new PA optic in question actually fits on the same exact mounts as an Aimpoint if I'm not mistaken. PA are great for beginners and novice shooters, or for 22LR IMO, but NOT for duty or serious use. I say serious because its subjective for everyone. Anyway, I call BS on the highlighted. lol they're tough as shit. even the older micros. There's a torture test of a dude shooting it twice with birdshot and it was still running (even though he cracked the glass) |
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Its funny how this was a thread about a new optic that is touted to be "as tough" as any other micro red dot on the market, and a 50k battery life, and yet we're stuck talking about how people don't trust the company to make an optic the right height. Hell, we're really not even talking about the optic anymore, just the mounting base, and the new PA optic in question actually fits on the same exact mounts as an Aimpoint if I'm not mistaken. PA are great for beginners and novice shooters, or for 22LR IMO, but NOT for duty or serious use. I say serious because its subjective for everyone. Anyway, I call BS on the highlighted. lol they're tough as shit. even the older micros. There's a torture test of a dude shooting it twice with birdshot and it was still running (even though he cracked the glass) where? ETA here http://www.texasguntalk.com/forums/optics/57983-primary-arms-micro-torture-test.html |
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Lol, I never saw the birdshot one before. I plan on using a MD-ADS on my next build.
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Marshall himself said these aren't as tough as an Aimpoint.
That being said, tough may be subjective. I'm reasonably sure that even if TEOTWAWKI or the zombie apocolypse or whatever happened, these PA micros, in any flavor, would hold up just fine IMHO. YMMV and my $0.02 and all that. |
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The abuse military optics see isn't typically in a firefight which is rare. It is getting knocked around in a HMMWV or MRAP day after day for multiple tours handled by GIs who just had it issued to them.
An optic on a privately owned AR even if in the ghetto going through multiple HD gunfights won't ever see that kind of chronic abuse. I still think it makes sense to go Aimpoint for extra piece of mind on a HD gun, but you only need one of those. I bet these will prove more than rugged enough for civilian defensive use and I'd get one if I needed another RDS. |
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I've been running a PSA Micro on my Barnett crossbow for the last two seasons. Crossbows are very hard on optics due to the reverse recoil impulse. So far it has survived about 500 shots and is still going fine and holding zero.
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Mine came in yesterday, put it on tonight. Looks good, falls right to my eye.
Turned the brightness down some cause I have some astigmatism, and that reduced it somewhat. Its all looking good, hope to run some rounds thru the gun this weekend. Service from PA was of course quick and easy. What few instructions were needed were clear and well laid out. Plus, it was a gift from Mrs Scruff. Life is good scruff |
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If the P.A micro is as rugged as the Holosun ( since they are made by the same people, I dont see why it wouldnt be) it will be a tuff little optic. I have one mounted on a 762x39 pistol and it has been bumped around plenty as it sits on a trunk gun. Being that it is turned on by movement there is a good chance that it has remained on at least 16 hours a day for the past 4 months... so far so good
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American Defense makes great mounts. I have the AD-T1-10 which was purchased with a PA MD-06 Red Dot. This gave me a lower 1/3 co-witness. According to the PA website using the same mount with the MD-ADS Red Dot provides an absolute co-witness. Bummer...So I'd either have to purchase a riser or get the AD-T1-11 mount. Any suggestions ? I prefer lower 1/3 co-witness to absolute. Your comments are welcomed !
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