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Quoted: They make great triggers that are used by the US military? Maybe that's why? Someone complained about the G2S here but that was about it. I don't know anyone complaining about their premium triggers. View Quote Well, since you brought it up. The G triggers aren’t hardened. Why not? Even Colt triggers are hardened. Maybe it’s just seen as an unnecessary expense. That’s not an issue for 5.56 but it is for 9mm conversions. My SSF started deforming after several thousand 9mm rounds. I bought that trigger before the 5.56 only notice was posted on the G site. I wouldn’t have used it in a 9mm conversion if that notice was there all along. In fact before this SSF issue I even wrote to G CS about using the ALG ACT in a semi 9mm conversion and was told something like “We don’t know if it will work”. I took that chance and it functioned fine as far as I could tell so I got the idea the SSF would be fine too. And it was. For a while. As for CS I sent a message to G CS about the SSF trigger deformation. CS got back to me within literally minutes and offered a one-for-one replacement as long as I didn’t use it with 9mm anymore. So … I think their CS is great when they want it to be, and it’s not so great when they don’t want it to be. And they won’t let customers decide for them what to do or not do. Is a perfect rail color an unnecessary expense? G seems to think so and behave so. Some customers disagree for their own reasons. G may have to find ways to keep costs down, including ways we may not like, just to stay in business. Staying profitable is plenty hard. If you don’t stay focused on that you won’t be in business long. You decide what’s important to you and act accordingly, including telling others. I’ll decide what’s important to me and act accordingly, including telling others. Geissele can do what he wants. So can customers. |
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Quoted: It doesn't matter what you'd do. Bill doesn't possess the same respect that Roger has for his customers and that's why he's not here despite being @ mentioned. It's not just Roger, many large business owners have appeared in this forum to backup their products and take accountability. PSA and BCM owners both come to mind. That aside and more to the point, Geissele's trend is headed toward a shit product at a price that should place it between mid and high tier AR15s. Doesn't matter how much water you intend to carry, Geissele's strategic absence paired with all of his blunders of the past and in addition to his black oxide barrels and shoddy ano speak for themselves. View Quote This was when BCM middies were selling out in minutes, and being flipped on Gunbroker. I thought it was hilarious, but the guy out two uppers and many other members did not. Right or wrong, sometimes a company just isn't going to be able to fix an issue for certain customers. I can see why a company might not want to get involved in a thread with a title like this one. |
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Quoted: I would come out and stand up for Roger just like you did. He shouldn't have to come into threads like these. Op could have talked to someone at Geissele first instead of starting a bash thread. But it doesn't look like he did. I've had plenty of shit break. A T1 just quit working after being on a pistol. I didn't start a thread about it. I talked to CS and they fixed my problem. View Quote Sorry, I don't understand this. If you are an employee or owner, i certainly get it, but not if you are customer. Part of owning a company is customer service, and making sure if a bad product gets out, you fix it. I think Molon oughta at least reach out to Geissele. Who knows, with this thread they might actually do something |
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Quoted: Sorry, I don't understand this. If you are an employee or owner, i certainly get it, but not if you are customer. Part of owning a company is customer service, and making sure if a bad product gets out, you fix it. I think Molon oughta at least reach out to Geissele. Who knows, with this thread they might actually do something View Quote Hard to say though if something in their process changed they likely not going to come out and confirm their new ano process doesn’t have the super smooth lustrous deep finish that stands out on the firing line! I mean, when you get caught in the kitchen with your dick in the mashed potatoes you don’t sit back down at the dinner table and start talking about how you got caught with your dick in the mashed potatoes… ETA: also them replying in threads they don’t have mod privileges in isn’t a smart move if things go south (e.g. cant nuke a thread if it gets sideways). G has their new special ops line of guns now, they prolly focused on that. |
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Quoted: Sorry, I don't understand this. If you are an employee or owner, i certainly get it, but not if you are customer. Part of owning a company is customer service, and making sure if a bad product gets out, you fix it. I think Molon oughta at least reach out to Geissele. Who knows, with this thread they might actually do something View Quote The owner of a company shouldn't have to come into every autistic thread and defend their product from a guy who couldn't even bother contacting customer service. |
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Quoted: The owner of a company shouldn't have to come into every autistic thread and defend their product from a guy who couldn't even bother contacting customer service. View Quote Well Geissele will just nuke the threads anyways But for real, sometimes screeching like an autist on a forum is the only way to get stuff done. No one is forcing the company owners to be here, many companies here are either CS reps, or Social media guys, and no one is forcing them to reply to threads they get mentioned in. No one is forcing the owners to have industry partner accounts. The consumer has every right to complain about an as-recieved product. And while i do think Molon should have at least tried reaching out, G's CS is terrible. |
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Quoted: Call Bill and have him send me some free shit too and I'll white knight for him. View Quote I won't white knight for anyone, but I've had all positive with Geissele. I don't like their mounts, but that's not a design thing. I prefer lever mounts vs bolt mounts. More consistency. Larue for mounts. Geissele for rails and rifles. |
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Quoted: Well Geissele will just nuke the threads anyways But for real, sometimes screeching like an autist on a forum is the only way to get stuff done. No one is forcing the company owners to be here, many companies here are either CS reps, or Social media guys, and no one is forcing them to reply to threads they get mentioned in. No one is forcing the owners to have industry partner accounts. The consumer has every right to complain about an as-recieved product. And while i do think Molon should have at least tried reaching out, G's CS is terrible. View Quote Nick |
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Quoted: I'll say it again. If OP is not willing to take the normal first step of contacting CS, he doesn't really have a problem. I would be unhappy with what he received, but I would also start the return process instead of starting a 15 page thread of autism and fail in tech. Nick View Quote Meh, he's pointing out a trend. A trend that clearly not everyone has noticed, but a trend that exists I agree this isn't a tech worthy thread, but its mostly a shitshow due to some back and forth arguments, and could have been stopped by either mods, or Geissele themselves. Plus, like it or not, Geissele is a lightning rod topic entirely by their own doing |
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Quoted: This makes you want to buy?? Because you see Geissele as the victim here, somehow. They won't, not the way they work. Remember the MK16 debacle and "bendy bill?" Rather than address problems, they freaking threatened customers with legal action. How anyone still supports this company is beyond me. View Quote The G fanboyism runs strong here. When they were a trigger company, they were good. They branched out into overpriced average-performance (and non-performing) products due to their trigger reputation. When the company was starting out making triggers - just the owner and his wife in his garage - it was interesting, helpful and informative… and made a superior product. Now it sells a full line of nothing special at inflated prices, trading on reputation and association, with more than a fair amount of hubris thrown in. And the fanboys for this stuff are also people that should know better, and are spending your tax dollars in the process. Not a rare story in the world of business. Having said that, every company can have a bad day. But troubling when said company is touting its special luxurious finish. Where’s the QC? OP should have contacted G and inquired instead of bitching on here. For those that think whatever G is a-ok, you just prove that PT Barnum’s adage is timeless. |
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Quoted: Call Bill and have him send me some free shit too and I'll white knight for him. View Quote Go to Cola Warrior and you can get some free stuff too. But that has nothing to do with these insane autistic threads that come up. I remember the one about people complaining about too much oil put on the barrel. |
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Quoted: Go to Cola Warrior and you can get some free stuff too. But that has nothing to do with these insane autistic threads that come up. I remember the one about people complaining about too much oil put on the barrel. View Quote And were a bunch of people sperging out and demanding Bill personally respond to a thread, or did the OP just get dog piled out of the gate? |
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@Lancelot I think it’s time brother. A move to GD at the minimum.
As to the subject at hand, to me a rail bending easily is one thing. Some chalky anodizing seems pretty…..moot. If I didn’t feel it was moot, I would just return it. |
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Quoted: And were a bunch of people sperging out and demanding Bill personally respond to a thread, or did the OP just get dog piled out of the gate? View Quote Both if I remember correctly. And then of course the have Bill call me thread. And the screws turn in my rail thread. Bill did respond to that insanity. And I'm pretty sure that's one reason he doesn't come into these threads anymore. |
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This is literally the dumbest most autistic thread I have seen in awhile. OP should feel bad for posting it.
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Quoted: This is literally the dumbest most autistic thread I have seen in awhile. OP should feel bad for posting it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bNoJUc3xR8 View Quote Gottem |
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Quoted: The G fanboyism runs strong here. When they were a trigger company, they were good. They branched out into overpriced average-performance (and non-performing) products due to their trigger reputation. When the company was starting out making triggers - just the owner and his wife in his garage - it was interesting, helpful and informative… and made a superior product. Now it sells a full line of nothing special at inflated prices, trading on reputation and association, with more than a fair amount of hubris thrown in. And the fanboys for this stuff are also people that should know better, and are spending your tax dollars in the process. Not a rare story in the world of business. Having said that, every company can have a bad day. But troubling when said company is touting its special luxurious finish. Where’s the QC? OP should have contacted G and inquired instead of bitching on here. For those that think whatever G is a-ok, you just prove that PT Barnum’s adage is timeless. View Quote Oh look, another guy that doesn't know what he is talking about in this thread. Weird. |
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Quoted: Both if I remember correctly. And then of course the have Bill call me thread. And the screws turn in my rail thread. Bill did respond to that insanity. And I'm pretty sure that's one reason he doesn't come into these threads anymore. View Quote Yet no one makes them reply, they do that on their own volition. G doesn't seem to care to answer phones or emails, so im sure they could spare a person to comb through the handful of arfcom threads that involve them And they could probably do it without their customers saying how their online presence shouldn't be bothered by unsatisfied customers. Seriously the whole point of having something like an industry page is to advertise, deal with customers, and to give another avenue to help deal with product issues Well, except for Colt. |
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Quoted: Yet no one makes them reply, they do that on their own volition. G doesn't seem to care to answer phones or emails, so im sure they could spare a person to comb through the handful of arfcom threads that involve them And they could probably do it without their customers saying how their online presence shouldn't be bothered by unsatisfied customers View Quote Maybe if their customer had a valid point unlike this dumb thread. I've never tried to call anyone at Geissele. But my emails were always answered. |
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Quoted: Maybe if their customer had a valid point unlike this dumb thread. I've never tried to call anyone at Geissele. But my emails were always answered. View Quote Lucky you. Some companies can pull off the whole " you are wrong and stupid" thing, but most can't. It'd take less than a minute to pop in, give a brief explanation why the rail is chalky, and toss out a potential refund/replacement, whatever. But i guess we'll have to wait after the holidays for that |
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Quoted: Lucky you. Some companies can pull off the whole " you are wrong and stupid" thing, but most can't. It'd take less than a minute to pop in, give a brief explanation why the rail is chalky, and toss out a potential refund/replacement, whatever. But i guess we'll have to wait after the holidays for that View Quote I came into this thread thinking op had a defective product. But I pulled out a rail I haven't used yet and found out that op either has an axe to grind or he is off his meds. There is nothing wrong with the anodizing on the rail. They are just extremely dry and free of oil. Rubbing something against them leaves a residue on the rail. It wipes off with spit. Don't like how dry it is, put some CLP on it. There is no QQ issue here. |
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Quoted: I came into this thread thinking op had a defective product. But I pulled out a rail I haven't used yet and found out that op either has an axe to grind or he is off his meds. There is nothing wrong with the anodizing on the rail. They are just extremely dry and free of oil. Rubbing something against them leaves a residue on the rail. It wipes off with spit. Don't like how dry it is, put some CLP on it. There is no QQ issue here. View Quote Or he has a point, that the quality of the finish has degraded over the years. Is it a Qc issue? I dunno. Seems kinda lame for a what, $300 handguard? Do you go to ColaWarrior? Eta, yup |
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Quoted: Annnnddddd another one. We need a tally of these. View Quote ..... Quoted: Recent (non-blem) DDC receiver set I ordered looked the same. Dull, chalky finish quality. Nothing like the older Geissele/ALG products I own. Pretty disappointing. View Quote Quoted: I had an older SSA, 2016 era that was great. I decided to get another in 2020. It felt far worse and had noticable grit, even in multiple lowers, grease, no grease. Tried emailing GA's CS, no dice. Tried calling, was on hold for 50 minutes. Gave up then. View Quote Quoted: Ordered a fed green G rail a few years back which was an obvious blem. I emailed CS regarding it and never received a response back. I ended up just putting the damn thing on a rifle, but I was disappointed in how they treated me as a customer. Used to be a G fan, no more. View Quote Quoted: I’ve dealt with Geiessele customer service twice, first time I so pissed I hung up after being on hold for 38 minutes if I remember, called ban about a hour later and was put on hold again, then got passed around with no resolution, emailed them and nothing. I love their rails, was going to order up another one this week and a barrel, now I don’t know? I refuse to use their CS and would rather call the IRS or Verizon. View Quote Quoted: Ordered a fed green G rail a few years back which was an obvious blem. I emailed CS regarding it and never received a response back. I ended up just putting the damn thing on a rifle, but I was disappointed in how they treated me as a customer. Used to be a G fan, no more. View Quote Quoted: I'm in the category of was a G fan boy before the MK16 stuff. I messaged them on IG asking what happened to the MK16 thread on arfcom and wanted to know what their statement to the public officially was and they blocked me without replying. After spending thousands on G products and recommending G to my friends and selling thousands more for them this was a stiff slap to the face. View Quote Quoted: I have seen several posts and threads here citing the poor CS & sub par product. View Quote Quoted: G's CS is terrible. View Quote Quoted: G is having plenty of comments about QA issues and extremely poor CS. View Quote Quoted: Go to the G industry page. You can’t say anything questioning G without massive fanboy blowback. View Quote Quoted: Not only is Geissele getting a reputation for crumbling quality, the company's stance on cornering instances such as posts like this one has always been to pretend like it's not happening. View Quote Quoted: The thing is G’s quality or lack there of has seemingly become common place. View Quote Quoted: a large amount of people are upset about the quality of Geissele's product and service View Quote ..... |
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Quoted: Or he has a point, that the quality of the finish has degraded over the years. Is it a Qc issue? I dunno. Seems kinda lame for a what, $300 handguard? Do you go to ColaWarrior? Eta, yup View Quote You're right! I made a video of old rail vs new rail. January 29, 2022 |
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Quoted: You're right! I made a video of old rail vs new rail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIkPI34pbfY View Quote k. |
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Quoted: k. View Quote I even tooks some pictures since I'm convinced now about the QQ issue on new rails. Old rail. Super smooth and shiny. Attached File New rail. So chalky. Attached File |
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Quoted: I even tooks some pictures since I'm convinced now about the QQ issue on new rails. Old rail. Super smooth and shiny. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/173565/20220129_232620_jpg-2259789.JPG New rail. So chalky. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/173565/20220129_232627_jpg-2259790.JPG View Quote You are such a good G customer, doing all the dirty work so their CS reps and social media people don't have to do anything. Would be a shame if someone bothered those poor people |
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Quoted: ..... ..... View Quote You're either ignorant or you have an axe to grind. Wich is it? January 29, 2022 |
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Quoted: Cool, you're axe to grind person. This thread is a farce. View Quote Axe to grind? Hardly. But i tend to not be fans of companies that sell $240 triggers that feel worse than a USGI trigger, and refuse to help fix the problem But clearly your videos of a half lubed rail means you are correct, and your participation in an event sponsored by the company in question has absolutely NO bearing on your credibility. Right? |
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Quoted: Axe to grind? Hardly. But i tend to not be fans of companies that sell $240 triggers that feel worse than a USGI trigger, and refuse to help fix the problem But clearly your videos of a half lubed rail means you are correct, and your participation in an event sponsored by the company in question has absolutely NO bearing on your credibility. Right? View Quote No, my video of a 10 year old rail doing the same thing as a new rail once wiped free of oil does. I can wipe any hard anodized thing with acetone and it will do the same thing. See you do have an axe to grind saying a Geissele trigger feels worse than a USGI trigger. I could take a grinder to a Geissele trigger and it would still feel better than mil spec trigger. Cola Warrior is sponsored by a lot of people. Geissele just happens to be one of them. But it gives me an opportunity to play with most of their products. And I haven't broken one yet. And I've seen a URGI upper fall off a four wheel and get run over without bending. @freefalle7 your rail still strait? |
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Quoted: No, my video of a 10 year old rail doing the same thing as a new rail once wiped free of oil does. I can wipe any hard anodized thing with acetone and it will do the same thing. See you do have an axe to grind saying a Geissele trigger feels worse than a USGI trigger. I could take a grinder to a Geissele trigger and it would still feel better than mil spec trigger. Cola Warrior is sponsored by a lot of people. Geissele just happens to be one of them. But it gives me an opportunity to play with most of their products. And I haven't broken one yet. And I've seen a UGRI upper fall off a four wheel and get run over without bending. @freefalle7 your rail still strait? View Quote So a half lubed rail, got it. Yes, bought an SSA back in 2016, and once again in 2020. The 2020 trigger felt worse than any USGI trigger ive ever shot. Grease, no grease, different lowers, even different springs Multiple emails to G were ignored, and tried calling, only to be put on hold for almost an hour before i gave up. I still like their charging handles, but i will not give Geissele another dime. If i had an axe to grind, I'd be in every single thread talking about how terrible they are. G is one of the bigger sponsors of CW it seems like, and it doesn't take much of an IQ to realize 90% of the people shitting up a thread critical of Geissele have peeps in their profile picture, or have CW stuff in their sig line. |
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Quoted: So a half lubed rail, got it. Yes, bought an SSA back in 2016, and once again in 2020. The 2020 trigger felt worse than any USGI trigger ive ever shot. Grease, no grease, different lowers, even different springs Multiple emails to G were ignored, and tried calling, only to be put on hold for almost an hour before i gave up. I still like their charging handles, but i will not give Geissele another dime. If i had an axe to grind, I'd be in every single thread talking about how terrible they are. G is one of the bigger sponsors of CW it seems like, and it doesn't take much of an IQ to realize 90% of the people shitting up a thread critical of Geissele have peeps in their profile picture, or have CW stuff in their sig line. View Quote You're right, all G stuff is trash. Check out this chalking up Cola Warrior lower I got from them. January 30, 2022 And you clearly do have an axe to grind over a bad trigger you got. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with them. But are you talking about during Corona times when PA was shut down? |
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I feel like I’m reading a thread on Reddit. Just a bunch of irrational children screeching reeeeeeeeeeeee.
The fact it hasn’t been kicked to GD is almost as retarded as the premise of this thread. |
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Quoted: You're right, all G stuff is trash. Check out this chalking up Cola Warrior lower I got from them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AEnBqOGGOI And you clearly do have an axe to grind over a bad trigger you got. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with them. But are you talking about during Corona times when PA was shut down? View Quote This was in February. I don't think they were shut down. G just has terrible CS, and im not the only one |
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Quoted: I even tooks some pictures since I'm convinced now about the QQ issue on new rails. Old rail. Super smooth and shiny. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/173565/20220129_232620_jpg-2259789.JPG New rail. So chalky. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/173565/20220129_232627_jpg-2259790.JPG View Quote Simple question, you don’t see a problem, and find that acceptable? |
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Quoted: No, my video of a 10 year old rail doing the same thing as a new rail once wiped free of oil does. I can wipe any hard anodized thing with acetone and it will do the same thing. See you do have an axe to grind saying a Geissele trigger feels worse than a USGI trigger. I could take a grinder to a Geissele trigger and it would still feel better than mil spec trigger. Cola Warrior is sponsored by a lot of people. Geissele just happens to be one of them. But it gives me an opportunity to play with most of their products. And I haven't broken one yet. And I've seen a URGI upper fall off a four wheel and get run over without bending. @freefalle7 your rail still strait? View Quote Another serious question, if you spoke out against G would they pull support? Would that loss of support hurt? What I’m seeing here is cola warrior bias, I’m not knocking it but you honestly can’t say you neutral either. |
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Quoted: So a half lubed rail, got it. Yes, bought an SSA back in 2016, and once again in 2020. The 2020 trigger felt worse than any USGI trigger ive ever shot. Grease, no grease, different lowers, even different springs Multiple emails to G were ignored, and tried calling, only to be put on hold for almost an hour before i gave up. I still like their charging handles, but i will not give Geissele another dime. If i had an axe to grind, I'd be in every single thread talking about how terrible they are. G is one of the bigger sponsors of CW it seems like, and it doesn't take much of an IQ to realize 90% of the people shitting up a thread critical of Geissele have peeps in their profile picture, or have CW stuff in their sig line. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: No, my video of a 10 year old rail doing the same thing as a new rail once wiped free of oil does. I can wipe any hard anodized thing with acetone and it will do the same thing. See you do have an axe to grind saying a Geissele trigger feels worse than a USGI trigger. I could take a grinder to a Geissele trigger and it would still feel better than mil spec trigger. Cola Warrior is sponsored by a lot of people. Geissele just happens to be one of them. But it gives me an opportunity to play with most of their products. And I haven't broken one yet. And I've seen a UGRI upper fall off a four wheel and get run over without bending. @freefalle7 your rail still strait? So a half lubed rail, got it. Yes, bought an SSA back in 2016, and once again in 2020. The 2020 trigger felt worse than any USGI trigger ive ever shot. Grease, no grease, different lowers, even different springs Multiple emails to G were ignored, and tried calling, only to be put on hold for almost an hour before i gave up. I still like their charging handles, but i will not give Geissele another dime. If i had an axe to grind, I'd be in every single thread talking about how terrible they are. G is one of the bigger sponsors of CW it seems like, and it doesn't take much of an IQ to realize 90% of the people shitting up a thread critical of Geissele have peeps in their profile picture, or have CW stuff in their sig line. Does show a bias, and without rereading the CW crowd were some of the loudest pushback. |
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What the fuck is cola warrior? I see it here and there, but don’t know what it is? Secret club? Fake navy seal shit? Butt stuff?
More importantly what does it have to do with anodizing? |
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Quoted: Another serious question, if you spoke out against G would they pull support? Would that loss of support hurt? What I’m seeing here is cola warrior bias, I’m not knocking it but you honestly can’t say you neutral either. View Quote Why would I speak out against a non-existent problem? I've never had a problem with one Geissele product. And I break everything. I did cross thread an ALG rail but that was my fault. I'm sure some things have broken or made it past QQ this isn't one of them. |
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Quoted: I feel like I’m reading a thread on Reddit. Just a bunch of irrational children screeching reeeeeeeeeeeee. The fact it hasn’t been kicked to GD is almost as retarded as the premise of this thread. View Quote Yeah, I've seen threads in the tech forums locked or moved for far less than just what was in the OP. For someone to whine and complain here without even trying to contact the manufacturer is ridiculous, and trying to use past threads to excuse the behavior is pretty and unbecoming. This sort of thing turns me off to posters; what they have to say becomes irrelevant to me. If they resort to this garbage, why would I lend them any credence elsewhere? I do like some of Geissele's products (plus some of ALG's). Other stuff is just okay. I appreciate anyone who sponsors Cola Warrior, but not everything that comes from sponsors is all that. But I've been particularly satisfied with Geissele's rails and SSA-E triggers (and also like that their lowers are M16 cut) as well as ALG's swivels. My brother just got a Geissele rail for his first AR build and he is very happy with it. I asked him about the finish, and it sounds like it's more on the matte side. He likes that, though. He's coming from a perspective of no real experience with Geissele other than handling my rifle once (we both used my FAL at the CW he attended). He got a 10.5" Mk8. Personally, I'd never complain like this without trying to have the company make it right, especially for something far from egregious. It's unethical and also wholly inappropriate for the tech forums. But I've noticed that crap gets tolerated on ARFCOM from certain folks more than others. |
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