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Posted: 12/2/2005 7:24:00 PM EDT

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I'll sell you a box of nineteen .45acp Talons for 15 bucks....

I used one...They work well.......

Rangers are cheaper........and a sharpie will turn them into Talons. Sell those at the fun show!

Posted: 1/28/2006 9:58:44 AM EDT

[#2]

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Posted: 1/28/2006 10:39:33 AM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
Troy,

What about the Golden Sabres? Are they as good as the Tactical/Gold Dot/Ranger T or are they a step below?

Which kind? Golden Saber have a regualr version which tends to shed the jacket and a bonded version which is better through intermediate barriers but does not expand as well. The best bonded core bullet is the Gold Dot and conventional jacket is the Ranger T. The GS is not a bad round in either form but there is better so I see no reason in buying it.

Posted: 1/28/2006 10:58:03 AM EDT

[#4]

$15-20 a box, max, IMO

Posted: 1/28/2006 12:03:31 PM EDT

[#5]

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Saw some at a fun show today.. 35.00 for a box of 20.. Im guessing maybe someone might buy it...

Now if it was a box of 10mm Norma..

I'm sitting on a box of NORMA 10mm, I don't have an 10 mm to shoot it.

Posted: 1/28/2006 10:26:19 PM EDT

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Some more photography. This is my "short" collection. These are all .40S&W 180gr. The Winchester Supreme SXTs were marketed in two different boxes. Both are shown.

Box tops

Box ends

Bullet Sides

Bullet Iso

Bullet Tops

Basically, the testing done on the Ranger is that it only extends penetration by 2-3" when shot into denim covered gelatin (versus bare). Most other 1-3rd gen, like the Hydrashoks, etc. will get "clogged" and turn into FMJ, not expanding and overpenetrating .

Posted: 1/29/2006 9:37:39 AM EDT

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This is a little off topic, but I remember about 12 years ago (I was 7) seeing on the news stories about bullets called "black rhinos" that were supposidly killing cops left and right. I was just wondering if any of you guys remember those or am I just imaging things again?

Posted: 1/29/2006 9:41:50 AM EDT

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This is a little off topic, but I remember about 12 years ago (I was 7) seeing on the news stories about bullets called "black rhinos" that were supposidly killing cops left and right. I was just wondering if any of you guys remember those or am I just imaging things again?

I do recall that Black Talons were labled by the press as cop killers. I don't recall black rhinos.

Posted: 1/29/2006 11:12:13 AM EDT

[#9]

Great pics, NoAim.

-Troy

Posted: 1/29/2006 11:37:57 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Great pics, NoAim.

-Troy

No problem. Those are all my boxes, so if anyone needs more/zoomed in pictures, let me know.

Posted: 1/29/2006 11:43:16 AM EDT

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Quoted:
This is a little off topic, but I remember about 12 years ago (I was 7) seeing on the news stories about bullets called "black rhinos" that were supposidly killing cops left and right. I was just wondering if any of you guys remember those or am I just imaging things again?

It was just the typical BS/hoax that our professional unbiased Media INC love to wet their panties over...

Google "Black Rhino Ammo"

www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n8_v47/ai_16929580

Posted: 1/29/2006 11:54:48 AM EDT

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At the gun show last week, I got a box of the Gen-4 Rangers for $20/50.

After reading this thread, I'm gonna go back next week for some more to replace my Gen-1 Cor-Bons.

-Frank

Posted: 1/29/2006 11:56:47 AM EDT

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Thanks for the link Noname. I missed that episode of hysteria. Very interesting

Posted: 1/29/2006 12:32:43 PM EDT

[#14]

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We pulled out some winchester silvertips in 40 cal and the tops were not even mushroomed. The guy was wearing a thick winter jacket and the hollow points were stuffed with clothing material and they acted like FMJs.
This has had me wondering if it is better to go with the cor-bon powerball.
Troy what do you think of these, Better option than the ranger T's?

Looking for info for 9 and 45.

Thanks.

No, absolutely not. The three rounds I mentioned are the BEST performing handgun loads (for 9mm & larger common handgun rounds) available. And the Ranger-T bullets are most often at the very top of that list, though the other two are usually a whisker behind. Also, as a rule, the heavy-for-caliber loads perform best and consistantly pass the testing protocols, whereas in some calibers, the midweight loads don't always pass all tests (especially in .40S&W). The lightweight-for-caliber loads almost never pass these tests, as penetration is inadequate and expansion is unreliable.

PowerBall, like EFMJ ammo, is better than FMJ, so if you have an older gun that won't shoot anything but FMJ reliably, it's worth looking into. But why would you carry such a gun in the first place, knowing you are compromising bullet performance, possibly at the price of losing your LIFE?

-Troy

Troy,

I hate to be a pest and ask this, but I just gotta.

What's your view on Cor-Bon's JHP rounds?

Thanks for all the info on ammo that you provide to the board,

-Frank

Posted: 1/29/2006 1:59:57 PM EDT

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At the gun show last week, I got a box of the Gen-4 Rangers for $20/50.

After reading this thread, I'm gonna go back next week for some more to replace my Gen-1 Cor-Bons.

-Frank

These Rangers were also about $20/50 at this weekend's gunshow. It's actually cheaper than the Supreme SXT stuff.

Posted: 1/29/2006 2:05:42 PM EDT

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$18/50 at my local funstore. I have a love/hate relationship with Rangers.

Posted: 1/29/2006 3:34:53 PM EDT

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$18/50 at my local funstore. I have a love/hate relationship with Rangers.

With ONE HAND you're glad they work well. On the OTHER HAND you wish they didn't do any damage?

Ick....gruesome.

Posted: 1/29/2006 8:51:10 PM EDT

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With ONE HAND you're glad they work well. On the OTHER HAND you wish they didn't do any damage?

Ick....gruesome.

Very true. But I have no dobut as to the function. "The Hand of Truth"

Posted: 1/29/2006 11:59:29 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Troy,

I hate to be a pest and ask this, but I just gotta.

What's your view on Cor-Bon's JHP rounds?

Thanks for all the info on ammo that you provide to the board,

-Frank

Cor-Bon uses mostly Sierra JHP pistol bullets, which are 2nd or 3rd-Gen at best. They do not have bonded cores and do not perform well in barrier tests. Even worse, most Cor-Bon loads are +P+ loads using lightweight bullets, which underpenetrate even in bare gelatin.

Stick with the recommended 4th-Gen loads (Win Ranger-T, Fed HST, Speer GoldDot), and you will have the best carry ammo available. Oh, and as a rule, the heaviest bullets for the caliber will be the best performers. 9mm = 147gr, .40 = 180gr, .45 = 230gr.

-Troy