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Posted: 4/15/2016 7:17:25 PM EDT
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If you can afford the $40, do it. I was simply making suggestions to keep your cost down.
As I just edited in my last post, I would call before (or while) placing your order and add one more thing to your order if you have the money available: a windage-adjustable front sight assembly. It is very-well worth every cent you will pay for it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2016 7:21:26 PM EDT
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If you can afford the $40, do it. I was simply making suggestions to keep your cost down. As I just edited in my last post, I would call before (or while) placing your order and add one more thing to your order if you have the money available: a windage-adjustable front sight assembly. It is very-well worth every cent you will pay for it. I mean, I don't really want to spend the extra $50, but I could afford it so I might as well. I am not sure I want to get a FSB, because CMP rules allow scopes now and as much as I love irons, I think it would be a disadvantage not to get a scope. I have read a low power scope might be slightly affected by a FSB, so I might get a low profile gas block. Do you think the Shilen barrel is any better than the Wilson? |
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Posted: 4/15/2016 8:16:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:...Do you think the Shilen barrel is any better than the Wilson? I do. |
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Posted: 4/15/2016 8:33:48 PM EDT
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Do you know if John Holliger actually answers the emails when you email "[email protected]"? I emailed him and the response was very ambiguous and wasn't the most helpful.
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Posted: 4/15/2016 8:44:50 PM EDT
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No disrespect to John Holliger at all, I was just wondering.
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Posted: 4/15/2016 9:07:49 PM EDT
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Do you know if John Holliger actually answers the emails when you email "[email protected]"? I emailed him and the response was very ambiguous and wasn't the most helpful. IM his email to me (if you like) and I'll see if I can decrypt it for you. |
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Posted: 4/15/2016 9:30:47 PM EDT
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IM sent.
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Posted: 4/16/2016 7:14:38 PM EDT
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Before I "pull the trigger" on buying a barrel, I wanted to make sure I am not missing anything.
Are there any barrels for under $300 that are comparable to a Wilson Arms or Shilen barrel? The barrel needs to have a target crown with no threads, after what I've seen in a YouTube video showing the barrel opening up at the muzzle with 1/2 or 5/8 inch threads. Thank you for all of your help, John |
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Posted: 4/16/2016 8:01:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Before I "pull the trigger" on buying a barrel, I wanted to make sure I am not missing anything. Are there any barrels for under $300 that are comparable to a Wilson Arms or Shilen barrel? The barrel needs to have a target crown with no threads, after what I've seen in a YouTube video showing the barrel opening up at the muzzle with 1/2 or 5/8 inch threads. Thank you for all of your help, John Link? |
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Posted: 4/16/2016 8:09:03 PM EDT
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CUm_YXzJJOU
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Posted: 4/16/2016 9:05:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryInteresting. I'm hoping a machinist friend will make a gauge so I can see how my local HP guys' stack up. I'm curious if there's a noticeable difference between brands and rifling type.  |
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Posted: 4/16/2016 9:25:41 PM EDT
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Any better barrel than the WOA Shilen for $270?
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Posted: 4/16/2016 11:40:26 PM EDT
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Something my dad pointed out was that he didn't try that with a muzzle device on.
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Posted: 4/17/2016 8:37:16 AM EDT
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Something my dad pointed out was that he didn't try that with a muzzle device on. Agreed, but if the muzzle device is able to constrict the barrel and change the bore diameter, then essentially you are relying on a $10 piece of metal to be the muzzle of a $300 barrel. But yes, I do agree, he should have tried it with a flash hider. |
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Posted: 4/17/2016 2:18:05 PM EDT
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Off topic question. not a trick question. 
Are people still using 52's for close to medium range shooting(Service Rifle)? If you shoot 100 yard reduced courses this is the best bullet available. The problem is they shoot so well sometimes you can't count all the holes because it's a nasty little knot. Even at 200 yards 52 grain bullets are very competitive unless your range is open (no trees to block the wind) and the wind is gusty. 300 yards requires heavier bullets, at least 69's and 600 yards needs 80 grainers. |
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Posted: 4/18/2016 10:26:24 AM EDT
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Agreed, but if the muzzle device is able to constrict the barrel and change the bore diameter, then essentially you are relying on a $10 piece of metal to be the muzzle of a $300 barrel. But yes, I do agree, he should have tried it with a flash hider. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Something my dad pointed out was that he didn't try that with a muzzle device on. Agreed, but if the muzzle device is able to constrict the barrel and change the bore diameter, then essentially you are relying on a $10 piece of metal to be the muzzle of a $300 barrel. But yes, I do agree, he should have tried it with a flash hider. An applied muzzle device doesn't constrict or squeeze the barrel material (metal) in any way. Once it is cut the barrel material is stress-relieved and will produce the belling effect, it cannot be repaired to its previous condition. The only feasible options are to cut and re-crown the barrel, or cut and thread with a pitch that will not produce a belling effect. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 8:51:54 PM EDT
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I was doing a lot more research on barrels. I know of a manufacturer called ER Shaw that is 30 minutes from where I live. Any experience with their SS barrels? Probably not the best quality but for $130 would they be ok to earn LEG points in CMP matches?
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Posted: 4/23/2016 12:48:05 AM EDT
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I was doing a lot more research on barrels. I know of a manufacturer called ER Shaw that is 30 minutes from where I live. Any experience with their SS barrels? Probably not the best quality but for $130 would they be ok to earn LEG points in CMP matches? Can you post a link to this barrel? |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 9:06:29 AM EDT
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Here is the barrel: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/184550/ar-stoner-barrel-ar-15-223-remington-wylde-hbar-contour-1-in-8-twist-20-stainless-steel
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Posted: 4/23/2016 11:07:28 AM EDT
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An applied muzzle device doesn't constrict or squeeze the barrel material (metal) in any way. Once it is cut the barrel material is stress-relieved and will produce the belling effect, it cannot be repaired to its previous condition. The only feasible options are to cut and re-crown the barrel, or cut and thread with a pitch that will not produce a belling effect. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Something my dad pointed out was that he didn't try that with a muzzle device on. Agreed, but if the muzzle device is able to constrict the barrel and change the bore diameter, then essentially you are relying on a $10 piece of metal to be the muzzle of a $300 barrel. But yes, I do agree, he should have tried it with a flash hider. An applied muzzle device doesn't constrict or squeeze the barrel material (metal) in any way. Once it is cut the barrel material is stress-relieved and will produce the belling effect, it cannot be repaired to its previous condition. The only feasible options are to cut and re-crown the barrel, or cut and thread with a pitch that will not produce a belling effect. Thread pitch has nothing to do with bore expanding. Thread diameter is the problem. Proper stress relief helps mitigate the issue but the best answer is to lap after threading the muzzle. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 11:28:28 AM EDT
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I love my Lothar barrel. Just back ordered another one from integrity arms for $250. Never heard a complaint on the performance of these barrels.
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Posted: 4/23/2016 11:41:53 AM EDT
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I love my Lothar barrel. Just back ordered another one from integrity arms for $250. Never heard a complaint on the performance of these barrels. Guessing one of the nitride ones? Do you currently have a nitrided one? How does it shoot? And lastly, did they give you a lead time on the back ordered one? |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 12:07:48 PM EDT
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Guessing one of the nitride ones? Do you currently have a nitrided one? How does it shoot? And lastly, did they give you a lead time on the back ordered one? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love my Lothar barrel. Just back ordered another one from integrity arms for $250. Never heard a complaint on the performance of these barrels. Guessing one of the nitride ones? Do you currently have a nitrided one? How does it shoot? And lastly, did they give you a lead time on the back ordered one? No. I currently only have the stainless and the person I spoke to said no more than 2 months. I did order one of the nitride ones. He said they had a standing order for so many barrels every couple months to be made for them. Edit for: I just saw best service rifle barrel. There is a Molon thread on a 20" Lothar Walther barrel http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/689663_Observations_on_the_Accuracy_of_a_20__Lothar_Walther_AR_15_Barrel.html |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 4:50:36 PM EDT
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I think I am going to skip the ER Shaw. I have now narrowed it down to two barrels and I have the funds ready to order one of them. Which one should I get for CMP Service Rifle shooting, the WOA Shilen 20 inch pre ban (costs $275) or the WOA Wilson Arms 20 inch pre ban (costs $225)?
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