I think this is Russian, anyone know anything more about this?  QTY?  On clips?  Weight?  Case type?

Thanks for any help ahead of time.

1946 ( Pretty sure ) factory 188 steel core light ball on 5rd Izzy stripper clips, 300 rds,

Yes, Russian. Powder date is lot 46 of 1947, so cartridges are likely 1947 dated as well. Type "L" 150 gr. Lead core ball (bi-metal jacketed) on 5 round mosin-nagant strippers, 300 rounds, copper clad steel cases, made by factory 188 (Novosibirsk). I had some of this, 1949 dated, and although it all went bang, most of the cases split down the side.

Thanks folks..

I think DD nailed it. 1947 mfg on bright 5 round MN stripper clips, 15 round bundles, 300 to a can. I shot '46 and '47 without issue. Goes without saying, it is corrosively primed.

Figure use this thread and not create my own .

Is this 7.62x54R ? Have 2 crates and always thought it was 7.62x39

Thanks,
Matt


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Yes. Russian 7.62x54r steel core ball with copper-clad steel cases. One can is dated 1980, the other 1986. 22 paper packets of 20 rounds each per can of 440 rounds. Probably made by factory "60" although for some reason they stopped putting the factory codes on the cans in the 1980s but it could also be from "188". Cans without the factory code were originally intended for export. May or may not have silver colored tips. These were phased out in the 1980s as well, but the lack of a silver stripe on the can should indicate plain tips. Corrosive primed of course...

Awesome thanks so much for the info .

Russian 7.62x39 cans look like the top one in this photo. Bottom one is Chinese.

Look for the OBP. 43 on the can.

That means 7.62 model or year 43.

The year the round was adopted.

The Chinese has 56 on it.

The year they adopted it.

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Might as well post on this thread too, for help identifying some Combloc ammo  cases and cans. I've been meaning to ask about for awhile and could use some verification on.


Was digging through storage and found some old ammo cans and crates  with these the 1st two cans  I think remember them being 7.62x54r   but no clue as for the round count,  , if it is on  stripper clips or what  type of ammo.     I remember giving  a bunch of that nicer accuracy Yellow Tip 54R   away, after my old Finish Mosin got stolen, to a friend.  Not thinking I would get another. Now I'm having to hold one rifle back and an 880 case for friend's son until he gets a little older (and now hold it longer since that "Covid & Election incentive" to sell it  needs to be gone, or he won't see it ) I've been saving it for him since he was born, so he could have one like his dad. I'll beat him with my cane if he sells it to get some stupid trendy DLC.....  I digress sorry....

Those case of ammo I need most help with are and if  you could please give me a pre- covid-electoral -panic value

and what good is thread without pictures...

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Made in 1953? thin metal with lead seal that opens with a pull tab ring. Is that aged orange-ish brown strip mean they would be the yellow tipped ammo?

EDIT Info from below Bulgarian heavy ball,  yellow tipped type "D" 300 rds per spam can.



and second similar  one (my two biggest need help with ammo ID questions)

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Same as above but made in 1955?

EDIT Info from below Bulgarian heavy ball,  yellow tipped type "D" 300 rds per spam can.




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7.62x54R 880 rd case  in 2 440 round  cans 20 round packs in paper from 1971?

EDIT  3 and 4 are Bulgarian light ball with steel core, silver tipped,  type "LPS"






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7.62x54R 880rd case  in 2 440 ammo spam cans from 1971 is that the correct marking for silver tip? Still has the band around the wood crate, so no unscrewing the lid to look and/or take pictures of the cans
EDIT  3 and 4 are Bulgarian light ball with steel core, silver tipped,  type "LPS"





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Probably the most intelligent thing I did was labeling the 2 Nagant M1895 Pistol 7.62x38r 1280 spam cans (how are the rounds packed in these? )  and 1 440 spam can of  7.62x54R is that Silver Tip? from 1975 ?

EDITfrom answers below  5 IIRC the Nagant cartridges are in 14 rd. boxes and yes, the silver stripe indicates silver tipped LPS ball, 1975 vintage Russian in this case.




Anyone remember these  old crates with 1260 rounds per box instead of only 1,000? That Russian case logistics ammo  numbers that ,um....,  well at least they ended in 10's.... That and you had to watch for retailers in "Gun List" and "Shotgun News" for selling a case with 100-200 less rounds for the same price as the normal larger count cases. Knowing you would just eat it since shipping was so much of the price due to weight.  SAMCO Global was making sure our "Sweaty Ben" didn't seem like such used car salesmen in comparison.

Which was this the brass with Berdan primers (semi corrosive) stuff  but still had a steel core filler right? The top case is missing the lead crimped wire rope seal and ammo is loose, is it correct to assume the bottom case is loose also? I'm too lazy to have taken it off stripper clips before use.  Regretting all those real surplus quality stripper clips I left on the ground with spent casings, at least it made a good base for re-graveling the driveway

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Thinking about selling them for room but with the opened one, I don't think I ever used it(it would have been decades ago and I usually ether emptied the case or left there at the cabin for whoever was shooting next (yes I'm that old and it was that cheap back then) but would probably wind up with some buyer wanting to count every round. Even pricing it  based off  1200/ 1100 or even just 1000 rds trying to be safe and fair. Knowing my luck...


If you're still reading and as way of saying thanks for any help on the above , have a view from our past. Youngin's look back and cry at the prices and options we whined about being priced  high....

For a laugh remember Classic Arms long single page website circa July 20th  2007

https://web.archive.org/web/20070720063827/http://classicarms.us/

How about a Circa June 29th 2006

https://web.archive.org/web/20060629072456/http://www.classicarms.us/

Times were strange in 2006 for on March 2nd  to help sell Mosin-Nagnts  Classic Arms(Pre-Ben) sent them out and had the Mosin-Nagnt's and (even AK's were chromed on other date's pages)  See those Chrome up'ed Mosins  on the March 2nd 2006's archive

https://web.archive.org/web/20060302011722/http://www.classicarms.us/

The top pics with the circle 10 are Bulgarian 762 x 54

1 and 2 are Bulgarian heavy ball,  yellow tipped type "D"

3 and 4 are Bulgarian light ball with steel core, silver tipped,  type "LPS"

Your caliber and dates are correct.

1 and 2 are Bulgarian heavy ball,  yellow tipped type "D"

3 and 4 are Bulgarian light ball with steel core, silver tipped,  type "LPS"

5 IIRC the Nagant cartridges are in 14 rd. boxes and yes, the silver stripe indicates silver tipped LPS ball, 1975 vintage Russian in this case.

6 is Yugoslavia made lead core ball. Never seen it packed loose like that. Upon closer examination it appear to be a mixed bag of Igman and Prvi Partisan manufacture and some of the rounds show tarnish and corrosion. I'm guessing these crates are full of leftovers and 'floor sweepings" from the distributor since it was not standard packaging by the Yugos.

I remember distributors selling the Yugo ammo as "turn in" ammo packed loosely in the crates.

Story was that when the war was over all the ammo that soldiers had been issued was thrown back loose into these crates as they returned their weapons to the armory.

Pic #6 is what I found in my shop today, and came here looking to identify. Corrosive I guess? Mine has a sealed lead tin inside the wood crate, with a pull-cord.

Is your crate the 1160 or the 1260 count  because PSA had this https://palmettostatearmory.com/yugoslavian-military-surplus-123-gr-m67-7-62x39-ammo-1-120-round-crate-762x39milsurpcase.html   today 1/20/2021 sourced from since PSA sems to be changing links for it https://old.reddit.com/r/gundeals/comments/l0xkzs/ammo_yugoslavian_military_surplus_123_gr_m67/   Which is what I remember the crates and what SG Ammo used to have for Green wooden crates with Brass cases but Berdan primed on stripper clips for $350-ish back 1-2 years ago. Although  were down to there last few crates that were beat to hell and back. SGAMMO were stating they couldn't guarantee that the crates would have all the hardware like both carrying handles still intact.


Does anyone know the round count in the 7.62x54r 1950's cases in the pictures on my post above labeled 1 &2  from  1953 & 1955  with description thin metal with lead seal that opens with a pull tab ring. Is that aged orange-ish brown strip mean they would be the yellow tipped ammo?   That @1Devildog was graceful to have helped with Info That they are Bulgarian heavy ball,  yellow tipped type "D"  I added his information to the post for other people(and search engines)  coming behind so that it may help them in the future.

The Bulgarian heavy ball should be 300 rds per spam can.