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Posted: 3/3/2020 5:16:45 PM EDT
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My completely unscientific test through water jugs shows good target effect. These jugs were laid end to end; red arrow is direction of bullet travel.
ETA: This is Golden Tiger 124gr HPBT Expansion. |
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Posted: 3/4/2020 12:19:21 AM EDT
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My completely unscientific test through water jugs shows good target effect. These jugs were laid end to end; red arrow is direction of bullet travel. https://i.imgur.com/6Uu15CW.jpg ETA: This is Golden Tiger 124gr HPBT Expansion. |
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Posted: 3/7/2020 7:05:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you recover the slug to check and see if it spread out or stay in the original configuration? |
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Posted: 3/8/2020 9:17:42 AM EDT
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I'd be curious to see some more thorough testing as well. Golden Tiger, and it's twin, Red Army, both made by Vympel at the same plant, both offer the "fragmenting HP" now.
The GT is a bit cheaper than the Red Army version. https://www.sgammo.com/product/golden-tiger-ammo-sale/1000-round-case-golden-tiger-762x39-hpbt-expansion-124-grain-hollow-p https://www.sgammo.com/product/red-army-standard-ammo-sale/1000-round-case-762x39-8v3-hpbt-124-grain-fragmenting-hollow-poi |
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Posted: 3/8/2020 9:40:54 AM EDT
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YouTube has numerous posted gel tests of several versions of 8m3 or 8v3. None of the ammo test really behaves as it is billed to. However, I’d hate to be hit by any of it.
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Posted: 3/8/2020 3:47:34 PM EDT
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YouTube has numerous posted gel tests of several versions of 8m3 or 8v3. None of the ammo test really behaves as it is billed to. However, I’d hate to be hit by any of it. |
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Posted: 3/8/2020 3:48:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bought a case of Golden |
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Posted: 3/20/2020 5:19:46 PM EDT
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Golden Tiger soft point? Haven't heard of it. And why do you think its no good?
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Posted: 3/20/2020 5:20:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: YouTube has numerous posted gel tests of several versions of 8m3 or 8v3. None of the ammo test really behaves as it is billed to. However, I’d hate to be hit by any of it. Are these bullet types found in any Golden Tiger ammo? |
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Posted: 3/20/2020 8:55:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Golden Tiger soft point? Haven't heard of it. And why do you think its no good? I’d like to know this as well. |
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Posted: 3/27/2020 11:44:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Golden Tiger soft point? Haven't heard of it. And why do you think its no good? Not the soft point. I don't think they make a soft point. This is a hollow point with precut fail holes. I don't know if is or isn't any good. A few posts ago, I mentioned I bought some Golden Bear soft point. They have a good reputation. But when I saw videos on YouTube, it was plain that the soft point didn't flatten or fragment. It wasn't much better than some FMJ, except I paid a lot more for it. |
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Posted: 3/28/2020 1:28:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not the soft point. I don't think they make a soft point. This is a hollow point with precut fail holes. I don't know if is or isn't any good. A few posts ago, I mentioned I bought some Golden Bear soft point. They have a good reputation. But when I saw videos on YouTube, it was plain that the soft point didn't flatten or fragment. It wasn't much better than some FMJ, except I paid a lot more for it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Golden Tiger soft point? Haven't heard of it. And why do you think its no good? Not the soft point. I don't think they make a soft point. This is a hollow point with precut fail holes. I don't know if is or isn't any good. A few posts ago, I mentioned I bought some Golden Bear soft point. They have a good reputation. But when I saw videos on YouTube, it was plain that the soft point didn't flatten or fragment. It wasn't much better than some FMJ, except I paid a lot more for it. I have some Wolf 125gr soft points that I'm going to shoot into a sand trap and try to recover. |
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Posted: 3/29/2020 11:15:51 AM EDT
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There's always the clear gel vs organic gel testing and those affects on the bullet to perform, but literally any "HP" bullet I test made in Russia doesn't expand. It just tumbles.
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Posted: 4/5/2020 7:52:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's always the clear gel vs organic gel testing and those affects on the bullet to perform, but literally any "HP" bullet I test made in Russia doesn't expand. It just tumbles. But you haven't tested GT 'Expansion' ammo. |
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Posted: 4/6/2020 11:30:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have some Wolf 125gr soft points that I'm going to shoot into a sand trap and try to recover. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Golden Tiger soft point? Haven't heard of it. And why do you think its no good? Not the soft point. I don't think they make a soft point. This is a hollow point with precut fail holes. I don't know if is or isn't any good. A few posts ago, I mentioned I bought some Golden Bear soft point. They have a good reputation. But when I saw videos on YouTube, it was plain that the soft point didn't flatten or fragment. It wasn't much better than some FMJ, except I paid a lot more for it. I have some Wolf 125gr soft points that I'm going to shoot into a sand trap and try to recover. Wolf 125gr soft points will put a hole the size of a man's fist when fired into clay and will go through 4 1-gallon milk jugs filled with wet dirt and at least a foot into the berm. I was not able to recover any projectiles though. |
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Posted: 4/15/2020 11:23:26 PM EDT
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Haven't tried it before, but decided to pick up a case.
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Posted: 5/23/2020 4:58:09 PM EDT
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I recently tested Golden Tiger 124 gr HPBT "Expansion" in a block of homemade ballistics gel.
https://ibb.co/K0RGYSG Close up of the entrance https://ibb.co/pJBXdvT And exit https://ibb.co/Y7vBZPN Note: The object towards the left side of the block is the calibration bb. Here's a comparison with Wolf 124 gr 8m3 hp https://ibb.co/G5BLNQ0 Note: Wolf is the top wound track. Another shot of the Wolf https://ibb.co/nL92Kj2 |
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Posted: 6/14/2020 3:34:32 PM EDT
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Thank you for posting!
It's a bit difficult for me to determine based on the photos which bullet is the better performer between the Wolf 8M3 and GT "Expansion" HP. |
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Posted: 6/14/2020 3:40:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you for posting! It's a bit difficult for me to determine based on the photos which bullet is the better performer between the Wolf 8M3 and GT "Expansion" HP. Yes, please do provide an interpretation based on what you see first hand. |
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Posted: 6/18/2020 12:11:53 PM EDT
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i bought some to use hog hunting. i woudnt have any qualms about using it but i wouldn't pay more for it than fmj. i didn't notice any difference.
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Posted: 6/20/2020 2:05:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, please do provide an interpretation based on what you see first hand. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thank you for posting! It's a bit difficult for me to determine based on the photos which bullet is the better performer between the Wolf 8M3 and GT "Expansion" HP. Yes, please do provide an interpretation based on what you see first hand. Of course, so the GT HP went all the way through the 16" gel block and didn't expand or fragment from what I could tell, because it didn't leave any fragments behind. It began to yaw at about 5-6". Here it is, the entry is on top where my hand is. https://ibb.co/K0RGYSG The 8M3 made a 1.75" neck before fragmenting quite violently, most fragments stopped between 1.75"-9" & the largest stopped between 8-9". The deepest fragment stopped at 14.5" marking the total penetration. The 8M3, entry is on the right. https://ibb.co/nL92Kj2 Here are both wound tracks in the gel, 8M3 top, GT HP bottom. https://ibb.co/G5BLNQ0 |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 5:05:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course, so the GT HP went all the way through the 16" gel block and didn't expand or fragment from what I could tell, because it didn't leave any fragments behind. It began to yaw at about 5-6". Here it is, the entry is on top where my hand is. https://ibb.co/K0RGYSG The 8M3 made a 1.75" neck before fragmenting quite violently, most fragments stopped between 1.75"-9" & the largest stopped between 8-9". The deepest fragment stopped at 14.5" marking the total penetration. The 8M3, entry is on the right. https://ibb.co/nL92Kj2 Here are both wound tracks in the gel, 8M3 top, GT HP bottom. https://ibb.co/G5BLNQ0 So another new round that is supposed to be 8M3, but isn't. I'm glad I've been switching to the Tula soft point. I understand the accuracy and consistency is pretty mediocre, but at least it does something. Thanks for posting all this WhittemoresLawn. |
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Posted: 6/20/2020 10:54:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course, so the GT HP went all the way through the 16" gel block and didn't expand or fragment from what I could tell, because it didn't leave any fragments behind. It began to yaw at about 5-6". Here it is, the entry is on top where my hand is. https://ibb.co/K0RGYSG The 8M3 made a 1.75" neck before fragmenting quite violently, most fragments stopped between 1.75"-9" & the largest stopped between 8-9". The deepest fragment stopped at 14.5" marking the total penetration. The 8M3, entry is on the right. https://ibb.co/nL92Kj2 Here are both wound tracks in the gel, 8M3 top, GT HP bottom. https://ibb.co/G5BLNQ0 Many thanks for expanding on the results!  |
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Posted: 6/21/2020 3:19:49 AM EDT
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No problem SRRhodesia glad I could help. Yeah Tula 124 gr SP works great from the test I've seen and I plan to use that in my next test, also Wolf 123 gr HP fragments pretty violently in tests, at least up close.
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Posted: 6/21/2020 3:22:20 AM EDT
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No problem Quattr09. "expanding" lol, I get it
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Posted: 6/22/2020 10:24:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But you haven't tested GT 'Expansion' ammo. |
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Posted: 8/9/2020 7:19:38 AM EDT
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Don't know about the Golden Tiger stuff , but years ago we were shooting Brown bear hollow point at heavy steel spin plates @200 yrs. and when finished laying on the ground was a pile of flat quarter sized pieces of copper colored lead underneath each plate . A pretty effective energy transfer if you ask me . When hit it looked like the work of Thor's hammer .
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