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Posted: 4/3/2018 12:57:07 PM EST
I have a PolyTech AKS 762 that was converted to full auto.  It looks like the conversion was done correctly.

I read somewhere that the 'rate reducer' on AKMs was more of a safety feature, delaying the hammer by milliseconds to ensure the bolt was fully into battery.  Since mine is a Type 56 copy (I think), mine doesn't have a rate reducer.  It just relies on that auto sear that's on the bolt rail.

Is the 'rate reducer' really a safety device?  Is my gun less safe because I don't have it?

Thanks,
Matthew
Link Posted: 4/3/2018 1:36:26 PM EST
Yes, the so-called "rate reducer" served to delay the hammer a bit so the bolt has a bit more time to get all the way into battery (in the case of a bit of bolt-bounce or other factors).

Chinese AKs never had the reducer because the Sino-Soviet split happened before the Russians added the reducer. The Chinese had to reverse-engineer their own stamped AKs (which is why they have the odd rivet pattern and a smattering of other non-AKM features) and never added the reducer.

So is your gun less safe? Not really. The Chinese have made, sold, used, and exported millions of AK rifles without the reducer and I imagine if it were a problem they would have added one.
Link Posted: 4/3/2018 9:03:41 PM EST
My only concern would be (to them) that an occasionally out of battery detonation and death of a satellite state's soldier is a small price to pay rather than retro fitting their AKs.  :O   :)
Link Posted: 4/4/2018 9:49:58 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Fractal:
My only concern would be (to them) that an occasionally out of battery detonation and death of a satellite state's soldier is a small price to pay rather than retro fitting their AKs.  :O   :)
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Most AKs you see around the world are exports from China, and the customers are usually governments. If their product was shoddy, they would have lost some pretty large contracts.

I would not worry about it. The Type 56 is an incredibly solid and robust rifle and the Chinese would have added the reducer if the rifle needed one.
Link Posted: 5/10/2018 3:37:53 PM EST
Keep in mind the chinese used all the AK-47 parts rather than switch to the lighter AKM components. EVERYTHING is built a little heavier on the chinese AK. Thicker receiver, heavier profile on the barrel, topcover is thicker metal as well so no need for reinforcing ribs stamped into it, etc. What you have with a chinese AK is essentially a milled AK in a heavier than standard AKM receiver. I'm speculating, but perhaps the heavier components tend to tame bolt bounce without the need for a rate reducer/anti-bounce device to be installed.
Link Posted: 5/10/2018 8:26:18 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/3/2020 9:37:11 AM EST
Just an update: So far no issues with thousands of rounds!
Link Posted: 9/12/2020 12:41:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Fractal:
Just an update: So far no issues with thousands of rounds!
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@Fractal
Glad to hear your rifle's running smoothly!
Who did the conversion on your rifle?
And how about a pic of your Type 56...I'd love to see it!
Link Posted: 9/12/2020 12:51:40 AM EST
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Originally Posted By bigbore:
The tail on the carrier prevents the hammer from hitting the firing pin until the bolt is locked.  It's mechanically not possible for an OOB to happen due to the hammer being released too soon.
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This.

The Chinese stamped receivers also use 1.5mm walls (as opposed to 1mm for Soviet production) so that helps to reduce vibrations which in turn reduces the risk of bolt bounce.

It would simply fail to fire if the carrier bounced back too far.
Never heard of that being an issue with the Type 56 stamped AKs.
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