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Posted: 7/25/2022 4:13:49 PM EDT
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WBP FOX AK47 Rifle is a semi auto 7.62x39 sporter AKM.
WBP Jack resulted from customers that loved the WBP Fox series, and wanted a model with a standard AKM rear stock trunnion. The mini (version) is a milled AK pistol. |
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Posted: 7/25/2022 5:17:29 PM EDT
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You can put any side folder that works with an AKM fixed stock rear trunnion.
You'll probably want one that folds to the right due to the optic rail...unless you get the "classic" model, which doesn't have one. If you want a traditional 4.5/5.5mm folder...you'll need to send it out for surgery. |
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Posted: 7/25/2022 8:33:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: Aside from that question, I have another ridiculous question, is the WBP AK47 762SC JACK the "WBP JACK" people recommend or are there different versions of the Jack other than the mini? There are 2 versions, one with a side rail and one without the rail. |
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Posted: 7/25/2022 10:19:44 PM EDT
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I've got a jack in my shoppe for side folder conversion. With a tig welder, mill, dremel, and coffee...anything is possible. That's all I'll say about that here.
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Posted: 7/26/2022 1:17:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can put any side folder that works with an AKM fixed stock rear trunnion. You'll probably want one that folds to the right due to the optic rail...unless you get the "classic" model, which doesn't have one. If you want a traditional 4.5/5.5mm folder...you'll need to send it out for surgery. I’m so new to the AK (I purposely stayed away so I didn’t get hooked on another platform that would cost me endless money) that I don’t even know what an AK”M” or 4.5/5.5mm folder is. Is the M70 the same as far as needing surgery? I assumed the stock on the “Jack” or most AK’s was fixed like a shotgun stock, through a bolt(s) in the back, doesn’t someone make an adapter that uses those bolts? Seems fairly simple, what am I missing? |
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Posted: 7/26/2022 1:29:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m so new to the AK (I purposely stayed away so I didn’t get hooked on another platform that would cost me endless money) that I don’t even know what an AK”M” or 4.5/5.5mm folder is. Is the M70 the same as far as needing surgery? I assumed the stock on the “Jack” or most AK’s was fixed like a shotgun stock, through a bolt(s) in the back, doesn’t someone make an adapter that uses those bolts? Seems fairly simple, what am I missing? This is an AKM. The standard 7.62 AK after the USSR stopped making the milled receiver guns. The trunion at the rear of the receiver can't accept military side folding stocks like the one below.  This is a standard side folder, the 4.5/5.5mm refers to the pin size that the stock rotates on. An AKM or M70 would both need the holes for the latch cut on both sides of the receiver, a folder trunion, and another latch cut at the front of the receiver to hold the stock closed. 
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Posted: 7/26/2022 2:14:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is an AKM. The standard 7.62 AK after the USSR stopped making the milled receiver guns. The trunion at the rear of the receiver can't accept military side folding stocks like the one below. https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1942/45589404291_579d87594e_h.jpg This is a standard side folder, the 4.5/5.5mm refers to the pin size that the stock rotates on. An AKM or M70 would both need the holes for the latch cut on both sides of the receiver, a folder trunion, and another latch cut at the front of the receiver to hold the stock closed. https://i1.wp.com/www.tactical-life.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2015/01/arsenal-slr-ak-2015-receiver.jpg?resize=647%2C414&ssl=1 Alright thanks for that, so M70 and WBP Jack are the same as far as a side folder so I’ll probably skip the folder. As far as my original question, is the WBP AK47 762SC JACK from Atlantic the WBP Jack I see recommended for years? |
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Posted: 7/26/2022 2:17:48 PM EDT
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If you are going to own one AK make it something in the 100 series. Whether that be Arsenal, KUSA, or PSA is up to you. The factory side folders are just the absolute best an AK stock can be.
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Posted: 7/26/2022 6:45:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: is the WBP AK47 762SC JACK from Atlantic the WBP Jack I see recommended for years? Yes |
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Posted: 7/27/2022 11:51:18 PM EDT
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The 4.5 and 5.5 stock / pin / trunnions also differ in angle of stock to reciever. Mixing the two makes for very odd and unwieldy guns. 4.5 is more common, 5.5 is Russian clone bone correct. Everyone else uses 4.5mm.
The milled AK was a stopgap to figure out the forging, heat treating, and riveting on the new system in 1948/9. Once that was ironed out, milled went away as it is much more expensive and heavy. AR guys looking to get into AKs and having the Lego mindset are in for a rude awakening, as nothing fits out of the box, and there's a dozen or more countries of origin that sometimes all use their own measurements. Hell, sometimes the same country part doesn't fit its own country's gun. We're talking drunk peasants making these parts half the time. |
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Posted: 7/28/2022 3:16:43 AM EDT
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0p, you can use the East German, Romanian or polish tantal wire folding stocks. They fit warsaw akm pattern rear fix stock trunions. Best part is the wire folders fold to the right side so it won't interfere if you have an optic mounted on the scope rail. See photo.
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Posted: 7/28/2022 10:24:37 AM EDT
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OP, you should be able to put a Magpul ZHUKOV-S Stock on the WBP Jack with out having to send it out for someone to replace the rear trunnion.
It’s not the correct side folding stock for the AK purest, but it’s an affordable decent option. And you get a side folding stock. I have one. It’s solid. You can have someone put the correct side folder stock put on later down the road as money permits. It doesn’t permanently change or modify the existing rear trunnion, so you can change it back to the original stock also.   Zhukov stock Hope this helps. |
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Posted: 7/28/2022 10:29:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, you should be able to put a Magpul ZHUKOV-S Stock on the WBP Jack with out having to send it out for someone to replace the rear trunnion. It’s not the correct side folding stock for the AK purest, but it’s an affordable decent option. And you get a side folding stock. I have one. It’s solid. You can have someone put the correct side folder stock put on later down the road as money permits. It doesn’t permanently change or modify the existing rear trunnion, so you can change it back to the original stock also. https://milspecretail.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/MAG585-BLK-2.jpg https://milspecretail.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/MAG585_Hero.jpg Zhukov stock Hope this helps. Defiantly does, knowing there's an option ill probably get the Jack, ill run it how it comes for a little bit and if I feel the need ill get one of those. I don't understand why they cant just do male to female connector to the trunnion and in reverse order to match the trunnion on the adapter, is it because how it wouldn't lock up? Or the furniture would hit? |
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Posted: 7/28/2022 4:18:15 PM EDT
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I need to work up a stock that looks like the OEM polymer one, but works as a folder on standard trunnion guns, and maybe versions for picatinny and solid backplates too....I can't believe no one has done any of those yet.
Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 7/28/2022 6:39:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I need to work up a stock that looks like the OEM polymer one, but works as a folder on standard trunnion guns, and maybe versions for picatinny and solid backplates too....I can't believe no one has done any of those yet. Sven Manticore Arms ETA: it was a triangle folder though. |
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Posted: 7/28/2022 7:07:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: they had some abomination years back. ETA: it was a triangle folder though. Nictra: I actually have one of them. It was made in Bulgaria... absolute abomination. Sven: If you want to borrow the triangle folder version and copy the mechanism, PM me, I'll send one out to you. 
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Posted: 7/28/2022 10:36:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nictra: I actually have one of them. It was made in Bulgaria... absolute abomination. Sven: If you want to borrow the triangle folder version and copy the mechanism, PM me, I'll send one out to you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: they had some abomination years back. ETA: it was a triangle folder though. Nictra: I actually have one of them. It was made in Bulgaria... absolute abomination. Sven: If you want to borrow the triangle folder version and copy the mechanism, PM me, I'll send one out to you. Is this what you have? 
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Posted: 7/28/2022 10:52:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I need to work up a stock that looks like the OEM polymer one, but works as a folder on standard trunnion guns, and maybe versions for picatinny and solid backplates too....I can't believe no one has done any of those yet. Sven Manticore Arms We would really appreciate this! I kinda wish you had a 1913 sig type Chinese stock. I love your Chinese stock but don’t like the ACE hinge system. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 8:31:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/29/2022 11:03:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: they had some abomination years back. ETA: it was a triangle folder though. Nictra: I actually have one of them. It was made in Bulgaria... absolute abomination. Sven: If you want to borrow the triangle folder version and copy the mechanism, PM me, I'll send one out to you. Is this what you have? https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/dw/image/v2/BDCK_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-ctd-master-catalog/default/dwa7199247/large/8-ars-akbfs.jpg?sw=800&sh=800 I guarantee I can make something that looks better than that!   Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 12:50:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI have exactly that! It’s a bit of a relic, from a more civilized age… an age where aesthetics didn’t matter (and neither did utility)! |
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