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those L- shaped mags suck ass. unless it was built to take an AK mag, screw it. just put a shorty scope on it to pop in stripper clips. You're not really going to take that thing into combat anyway.
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I dont plan to change the magizine to a detachable one ive hered alot of complaints about them and also there not that easy to get in Cali. I just bought that stock becuse you can ajust the length of the gun.
Will i still get in trouble if i just put that stock on i really dont feel like gettin arrested and go to prizion plus loose my gun. Thanks |
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You dont need to Loose the gun. Thay are made loose on purpose. One that is too tight wont function 100% |
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The stock should not be a problem, as long as you continue to use the fixed 10 round magazine. If your gun is not capable of accecpting a detachable box magazine then you are not effected. |
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So this would not fix the count or would?
www.tapco.com/product_information.asp?number=ZSTK66166B&back=yes Of course this would put it over the 250 mark so I guess it would be best to get an AK if your not after a good SKS |
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Fister -- good reference to the TAPCO company !
To try to limit the amount of mis information being put out by some............ I thought this might help. When someone comments on the law or legal matters it would help, if they supplied the written material to back up their claims......... So I will attempt to do this concerning the question " Can the Yugo SKS Mdl 59/66 be converted to a USA built firearm as determined by the rules of US code 922r" This would allow you to use folding stocks and some other goodies. Be advised if you change "anything" on this rifle you run the risk of loosing the C&R rating this rifle is imported under. Once it looses the C&R rating............many of the parts of this rifle become illegal instantly. TAPCO maintains that if you buy their Tactical Package......... it supplies the weapon with enough USA parts to satisfy or make 922r no longer applicable. Pay attention to the USA Magazine --- it is a 5 ROUND Mag. for a reason, since BATF apparently won't allow high capacity mags that are "Detachable" There is a reason a company makes a 5 round mag [ besides for hunting ] So lets us see......... First the list of the "Evil Parts".......... under 922r (1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings (2) Barrels (3) Barrel extensions (4) Mounting blocks (trunions) (5) Muzzle attachments (6) Bolts (7) Bolt carriers (8) Operating rods (9) Gas pistons (10) Trigger housings (11) Triggers (12) Hammers (13) Sears (14) Disconnectors (15) Butt stocks (16) Pistol grips (17) Forearms, hand guards (18) Magazine bodies (19) Magazine Followers (20) Magazine Floor plates Now lets us subtract the parts that the Tactical package replaces: (8) Operating rods (9) Gas pistons (15) Butt stocks (16) Pistol grips (17) Forearms, hand guards (18) Magazine bodies (19) Magazine Followers (20) Magazine Floor plates To my knowledge the SKS 59/66 doesn't have the following parts: (3) Barrel extensions (4) Mounting blocks (trunions) Now let us add up what parts are left on this gun that are foreign & part of the Evil parts list: (1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings (2) Barrels (5) Muzzle attachments (6) Bolts (7) Bolt carriers (10) Trigger housings (11) Triggers (12) Hammers (13) Sears (14) Disconnectors That adds up to 10 parts................. the only question I would have is.......... the disconnectors in the trigger group. Does this count as one or someone said the SKS has TWO disconnectors ???? Actually the rifle has a "disconnector" and a "rebound" disconnector........... so I am not sure how the 922r treats these two seperate parts ?? TAPCO apparently believes their Tactical package is "legal" Would anyone care to comment on anything above OR fill in anything I have left out ?? JF. |
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Just discovered that TAPCO sells a USA made muzzle brake for the SKS to replace the grenade lancher..........so iregardless of the disconnector issue I pointed out above............you can bring your SKS up to a total of 9 compliant parts.
That could bring the number of foreign parts to "10 or less" to satisfy US code 922r. Does the mounting of the Bayonet count as a "mounting Block (trunion )" if so that will add one more part to the evil part list..........using the above USA muzzle brake will counter this addition.......but still is that issue than with the disconnectors ???? JF. |
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Just a little slow to the draw. |
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After reading this thread, I guess my question would be, why try to make an SKS into an AK when AK's are relatively cheap and plentiful?
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I am happy with my Yugo (SKS not the car) the way it came from AIM Surplus. I don't intend to modify it because it will lose it's collector value. I saw a 30 round magazine made by ProMag which I tried in my Russian SKS but with variations in SKS rifles it needed tweaking so I returned the magazine and replaced the factory 10 rounder which I can load with stripper clips as fast as a magazine change. It's the only time that I didn't like a ProMag magazine. What about 30 round fixed magazines for the SKS are those illegal too? |
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I have one of the Pro-Mag SKS mags and love it, it is the only one that functions 100% of the time. Try some PBlaster dry lubricant inside those mags and it might help (not the liquid lube, just the dry lube.), also I have noticed that some of the steel detachable mags have short springs in them. Try not to flog me guys this is just my personal experience.
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brakes.ricksmuzzlebrakesandgunstuff.com/index.htm |
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please clarify this for my dumb ass.i have a yugo,if i altered the brake,moved the front sight back,mounted a folding stock,and the dreaded mag.have would that be a violation of the law?if so please advise ,i was under the impression that the ban was off?
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The Yugo SKS was imported as a C&R firearm. If you were to modify it, those modifications would make it a non C&R firearm. It would therefore either have to me modified into an importable configuration, or have sufficient US parts count to qualify as an American made firearm. This is about import rules and legalities, not the AWB. |
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just feel the need to say i have never had a missfeed with my duckbill mag after 700 plus rounds.
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Buying a cheap AK or building your own from a kit is a better way to go but I think some of us AK owners got the bug by getting a cheap SKS first and modifying it. I say modify it legally (enough US parts) and if you still have the bug get an AK. Keep your original SKS parts (or only hacksaw replacement ones) so you can fully put it back original. I have seen posts mentioning that you cannot put it back to truely be C&R again once it's modified but who can say a gun has never been fully taken apart for cleaning/fixing in the first place?
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Hey fellas, new to the boards and a proud owner of a Yugo. My question is:
I bought it 3 months ago and it came with a detachable mag, so is it illegal? I don't know how it is because I have called around to gun stores and they all sell SKS detachable mags and a particular gun store salesman said he has one. Another question is about the 922R thing. If mine is illegal, are you guys saying the way to make it legal is to buy 10 US made parts for my yugo? Thanks for the help fellas, I am scared to take this baby out now heh. |
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The simplest and best way to "make it legal" would be to find a factory standard 10 rd mag and put it on. Then, no worries and no money blown on Crapco Craptical accessories. Spend the money on ammo.
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I agree with the; "find a factory standard 10 rd mag and put it on." But, refering to Tapco products as "Crapco Craptical accessories" is a little too Junior High. Tapco makes good stuff. Just not everyone has the same taste. |
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They have to prove you broke the law not the other way around. Innocent until proven guilty. Pat |
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The idea of a detachable magazine on an SKS––it may be detachable, but you don't detach it.
The optimal size for a Tapco, USA Mag, USA mag knockoffs (which require a lot of adjusting to make them work), etc. is 20 rounds. You leave the damn thing in place an top-load it. You don't tote a bag full of these things around and try to attach and detach them. They are clumsy, and not easily attached. I just just have several old USA mags, 20 and 30 rounders. They work just fine, with no problem. You can pre-load them and clip them in, or you can just clip them in and top-load them with the bolt hold-open when empty. This is the way I prefer to do. If works best with 20 rounders. 30 rounders require a bit more push for the last 10, but it also works well. 30 round detachable mags are more of a mono-pod than a magazine. 20 rounders let you get closer to the ground. You want a magazine that holds the bolt open when empty. I'm not sure if the new Tapco designs do this, but I hear that they work splendidly. t Also... most likely by this time next year, all this 922r baloney will be meaningless. It will not matter if you know what I mean. |
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My question here is how the fuck do they know when a rifle was imported? I can't even find out when my damn sks was made for certain much less what year it was imported.
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so yeah,,,, Bought two thirty round cheapo mags at the gunshow. They did not work. The angle and height of the top of the clip not only fed the bullet too low and madi it catch bellow the barrel but the top edges of it where too close together and the reciever /action got caught on the top of the clip.
I work with metal alot so this wasn't a big deal to me to shave some metal and reshape what is left but if you cant do that then id steer clear of the cheaper metal 30 round mags. Pain in the ass. Pissed me off bigtime. |
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We (coworkers) ordered five Chinese SKS rifles in 1989. All of them were imported with a bayonet attached. Since then most of us have added better sights, flash hiders, detachable mags ect. Are these modified rifles, imported pre-ban illegal now?
I didn't like the bayonet or cleaning rod so I removed mine. I even thought about grinding off the bayonet attachment ears or replacing the front sight assembly with a lug free unit just for asthetics. I guess I'll reinstall the bayonet now that it's illegal . This Orwellian nonsense is ongoing, frustrating and ridiculous. |
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I wasn't that big a fan of the detachable Tapco mags until the new bolt came out. For those not aware, TAPCO developed a bolt which allows you to remove and replace the mags with the bolt closed. Makes the Tapco mags much more user friendly. I highly recommend the new bolt.
ETA: I've been running 5 of the Tapco mags (along with the new bolt) through my TAPCO'ed Norinco without a hick-up. I know some folks are very proficient at reloading with strippers but the 20 round mags I can throw a lot of lead down range very quickly. |
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Tapco has everything needed to do a SKS tactical conversion and keep it BATF legal. SKS "duck-bill" magazines have been used in Asia for years, by military forces, so if your magazine doesn't work well it's cheap and never designed to work in the model you're using. The SKS effective range of 430 meters trumps the AK's effective range of 300 meters, along with it's accuracy. I'm going to convert a milled/screwed Norinco and use it as a training rifle, so I'm doing all of my fact finding now before I invest the money into it. I have read about barrel heating issues, but the range tests have proved different. The grouping we have been getting has been well within what we need this for out to 100 meters. I hope this helps someone.
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I hate to be dense, but I'm slightly confused. My brother has a Norinco which I'm not sure what make year or import year. It was brand new when he bought it I believe. I think it's a newer on because of polymer stock and whatnot.
I bought him two detachable mags, a tapco and a pro-mag. They both work fine, minimal jamming, so functionality is not an issue. It would be illegal to remove box mag and use detachable mags? That's what I'm getting. Seems so rediculous, but if that's the case then....the box will stay in. Wow, rediculous. So ...? |
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Here is the 922r calculator. I would also check out Survivors SKS site. If you have a Chinese SKS just click on the muzzle device since you only have to worry about changing it if you have a Hugo. So the way I read it is that I can change the stock, hand guard, and put in a Tapco duckbill to replace the original. I also removed my bayonet and added a bolt on bipod. So 4 US parts plus not worrying about a muzzle device which the Chi-Com does not have. I bought my rifle in the 80's so screw them. I have talked to plenty of dealers and distributors and they see no issue with the US duckbill.
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They have to prove you broke the law not the other way around. Innocent until proven guilty. Pat Obviously you have never dealt with our judical system, especially the B.A.T.F.E.. Quite simply, "They have to prove you broke the law" is crap (looks good on T.V. shows though). You better be able to prove yourself innocent and better have a good attorney (meaning LOTS of money) to do it. Quite simply, they have all the time in the world and have no concerns as to rising attorney costs like we need to do. Best advice I can give: "NEVER put yourself in a situation where you need an attorney". Talk about money holes! Even if you end up winning and you can keep your alterted SKS, it has now become a $20,000 rifle! |
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So say I have a bone-stock Norinco Paratrooper made in 1980. And then I remove the 10 round magazine and install a Norinco fixed 20-rounder. What are the 922(r) implications?
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I think this thread should be un-stickied, and started over due the the excellent Tapco mags now on the market, and their large quantity of US made parts,
including: Mags (of corse, counts as 2 com. parts) Bolt Opperating rod Gas piston stock Hand guard Add to that list, Murrary's Guns US made hammer, trigger, and disconnector. Now if there was a US made aftermarket barrel (in stainless steel), I would be so happy |
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I have some no-name metal 30 round(pinned to 5
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Over on Survivor's SKS boards, the Tapco duckbill mags are very highly thought of, and consensus is they work great.
I have one of the Tapco stocks on my Yugo right now, and the duckbill 20 rounder it came with locks up tight in the action. I haven't shot it yet. I'm going to wait for the SGWorks bullpup kit I ordered to get in. In the mean time, I'm going to get 2-3 more duckbill mags. Just gonna need to find a way to carry them for carbine matches. |
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I've never had a problem with the tapco detachable mags in my yugo SKS, works fine with the gun as stock so you shouldn't need to make any mods to get it to work.
also, you can mod the bolt so that you can detach the mag with the bolt closed. |
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In the above post you forgot:
The Swiss army knife with 10 functions |
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A lot has changed since this thread started, but there are still people asking the same question that has been answered several times. If you have an SKS (doesn't matter when it was made or imported) and you change just the stock or just add a detachable mag, it is illegal. TAPCO makes what is called a "compliance kit." If you install this kit with all "Made in US" stamped parts, you will be legal. This compliance kit is accepted by the BATF. I don't have a letter to document, but I have a friend that is a BATF agent and he verified my rifle is compliant with the rule. So if you're going to change parts on your SKS, buy the compliance kit or leave it as it is.
"Innocent until proven guilty?" What plannet are you from? If you are caught with an illegal rifle, you are not innocent. You have to prove it is a pre-ban rifle which is impossible to do. It may very well be legal but in less you have documents that are notorized with pictures of you holding it, you can't prove it in the court. A good example are home made silencers and drop-in auto sears. At one time, they were legal, then the ban came. Unless you have solid documentation that it was made before the ban, your silencer which was legal yesterday is now a felony to own. Sorry, I don't have a specific law to quote but I did read a lot of information about these two items to find out what is good or bad. Take it for what it's worth or do the research yourself. |
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they will show up to your house because there government work ethic is so strong and there motivation unstoppable. My local roads potholes are filled by the guy in the 2 ton ford extra cab w/ bells and wistles watchin all the other 6 guys watchin the 1 guy shovel...or was he leaning on it..?... and my P.O. box full of mail BY 10 A.M every tme.!! and they will remove you and totally fill the prisons w/ all of you ....and me. PERIOD. ...wait this cant be right
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Old post, but thought I'd post here. You can have a maximum of 10 foreign parts on the gun. A Chinese SKS has only 14 922r parts the BATF cosiders. So if you change out 4 parts to US made, your are GTG. A US made mag counts as 2 parts (mag body and follower). So you only have two other parts you need to change out if you use a US made mag. The operating rod is the easiest to change. Tapco and other US companies make them. Cost is around $20 IIRC. After that, you only need to change out 1 more part to be legal. I'm changing out the stock, so I'm good after that.
Just more info. for you. I'm also looking at doing the bolt mod. Or buying a Tapco bolt, which serves the same purpose (allows you to do a tactical reload...change out mags with the bolt closed). And will look into buying the mod that allows you to use AK mags. Or maybe just mod the Tapco SKS mags by cutting off the duckbills. Anyone tried this, and if so, how does it work?? Sorry... just noticed this may be a state specific thread. The above only applies if your state is not more restrictive than federal laws. |
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Wow. This thread is so full of fail. If you are a collector you'd be wasting your time with "preserving" even the most rare SKS. There were so many of these things made. I have had these since the early 90s. I've had truly unfired Russians to stamped Chinese.
The guts of these guns are sound. However, there are things that need to be checked and fixed. 1.Always check for negative hammer/sear engagement. Get/do a trigger job. 2. Check for stuck/gunked/rusty firing pin. 3. Get a butt pad to fix the ridiculous short pull (unless you are a midget). 4. Get either Tapco 20rd, NEW promag 20 or 30rd mags. I have a friend who still swears by the old metal USAmags30rd-ers. In my experience some filing is needed to get metal mag to fit right. btw some claim they are so fast at stripper clips on the fixed 10rd mag that they can reload 3 times while I am firing out my 30rd mag (um yeah, lets see you try it). To be fair, stripper clips take up less space/weight and that ammo vest works great for these. You can always stripper clip reload a 30rd mag... 5. Do the bolt carrier mod so you can change mags with bolt closed. I am doing a SGWorks bullpup on a perfectly good matching # unfired Tula. |
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