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Posted: 1/8/2006 11:19:11 AM EDT
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Email and IM. Or if you want to you can edit the original post with a response to the question. Pretty simple. Check it out. I can edit this post again. ...and again ....and again.... |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 11:21:09 AM EDT
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I'm addressing the issue.
I get the feeling that all of you want to see some AK personnel in there as moderators.... Rules are rules and they will have to be followed by everyone no matter which side you lean to.... If we have AK personnel moderate the AK EE Forums, then they have to abide by the current rules....no exceptions. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 11:25:28 AM EDT
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This thing is alot bigger than what alot of People know,Aimless trashed jnewts thread here on AK discussions.We lost a Member of our site staff too and I'm sure a few others will leave also.
As stated before,we've worked hard to make this the best AK site on the net and,I believe,we did.Its just disheartening to see the direction its going now and its due to people who never post on the AK side pushing their authority. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 11:36:24 AM EDT
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Who? |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 11:39:26 AM EDT
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JeepCreep resigned today. Campy Bob, who was our Moses who brought us out of the darkness which was Gunsnet, left a year ago. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 11:43:23 AM EDT
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WHAT!? 
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Posted: 1/8/2006 11:47:58 AM EDT
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This is starting to SUCK ....
Am I going to have to paypal my dues to another site next year ??? ETA: It's this year ........ |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 11:51:43 AM EDT
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I knew about Campy, but he left because a mod screwed over a team member here; as I recall. JeepCreep's leaving had to be about MORE than whether or not EE rules apply equally to all members. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 11:54:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:04:22 PM EDT
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IM sent Kirk.
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:04:51 PM EDT
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Ummmm I hate to break it to you, but the staff and mods are carrying out the orders of the Avilas. I enforce rules I don't like all the time. Its not me pushing my auth-or-itay. Aimless is tough but fair... as is beekeeper. They might not be popular as a result, but they have both offered to resign many a time and were told by the Avilas they were going to have no part of it. Sucks when they do the job they are asked and are abused because of it... but it comes with the territory.
And if you think your Team memberships even come close to funding the site, you are sadly mistaken. The Avilas have long dug deep into their pockets to keep this place running. I can't tell you how many servers Ed. Sr. has bought and he doesn't have a clue what a server is. He just knows they keep the site running, and that is their passion. Yes, they have rules. They are enforced. And as a result this is hands down the best firearms forum and resource on the net. If you can find another that serves you better, by all means go where you are happiest. I seriously doubt that the loss of revenue from your team membership is going to shut the site down. The above views are reflective of Hiram's and Hiram's opinions only and do not constitute official board policy. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:05:05 PM EDT
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+1 - If that's what it takes. I was going to go gold, but it might have to be elsewhere.  Just let me know where everyone goes  Actually lets not let it get that far - Krink, work on getting this fixed - soon. 
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:13:21 PM EDT
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Working it now. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:20:23 PM EDT
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I agree with about 99.5% of what you're saying. Rules are rules and need to be evenly applied. There is a perception though that the AK guys receive the short end of the stick, and I think a lot of that has to do with "outside" intervention from guys who don't participate in the AK side of things. Telling people to take a hike though probably doesn't help things. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:21:29 PM EDT
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I have a question for everyone here.
If you could get so called "AK Guys" to mod those forums, would you still be pissed for them enforcing the rules? If anyone becomes a Mod, they will have to enforce the 72hr rule, just like the current mods. ETA: I'm sorry to hear about Jeep Creep leaving.
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:25:16 PM EDT
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I didn't say to take a hike. I said if there is someplace that better meets your needs maybe you'd be happier there. Grass is always greener until you move into the neighbor's house.
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:26:09 PM EDT
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No. I don't believe anyone here would complain. As I said above: "If we have AK personnel moderate the AK EE Forums, then they have to abide by the current rules....no exceptions." |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:29:18 PM EDT
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I'm sorry, why should we further fraction the site by putting AK guys in charge of the AK forums? Seems what you are complaining about is the site is already broke into factions... so you want to make it more so to solve the problem?
Heck if you think there are factions it would make sense to put non-AK mods here and AK mods elsewhere... integration helping overcome things. I think what you want is all things AK under the auspices of AK mods and staff... bottom line, the site is ONE site... AR, AK, HK... pistols, shotguns, airsoft (joke), we're ONE site. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:30:18 PM EDT
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These mods can help enforce and EDUCATE the offenders. I think it will go a long way 
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:34:09 PM EDT
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I think the guys who are there now are doing a hard job, and anyone who is in that position is going to piss some people off.
If "AK" guys are there, they're going to have to be the same hard cases that the guys who are there now have to be. It might be an easier pill to swallow if the guy who locks your thread has participated with you on the AK side, or it could also hurt some relationships that have formed on the board already. Tough call all around. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:36:48 PM EDT
[#21]
+1
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:37:24 PM EDT
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+1
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:38:05 PM EDT
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This would be my worry as well. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:38:21 PM EDT
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All this publicity on my bump and you would think somebody would buy my vest
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:38:45 PM EDT
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Hiram,
Your inputs are appreciated, but let us work it out.
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:40:34 PM EDT
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Work it out brother... work it out. Over here I'm just like everybody else. Offering a personal opinion, nothing more... nothing less. Even included a disclaimer.
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:43:58 PM EDT
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I was going to stay out of this but I feel the need to address this comment. I'm not sure where you got the idea we consider the AK members the "black sheep" of the site but you are wrong. The members that hang out here are no different then the members that hang out in the ar15 forums,the handgun forums,the shotgun forums,etc. As for following the rules of the site..we all are expected to follow them. This whole issue is being discussed at great lenght in the staff forum and will be resolved soon. George |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:46:08 PM EDT
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Lately, I have posted very little on both the AR15 Forums and the AK Forums even though I try to visit both sides every day. I spent the last two months of my time getting the Feedback Forum up to date and updated on a regular basis. With regards to BTT violations, I am not out to get anybody. I try to enforce the rules evenly over the threads that I was assigned. The reason that you see more threads locked by me is that I have more free time than the other mods. During my first week as an EE mod, my IM box filled up with complaints of BTT violations by members whose ads were prematurely bumped down. They came from both the AR and AK side and afterwards, most of the "thank yous" came from the AK side. Go figure! As for early BTTs, 62 hrs or less was my cutoff. At least I try and give the courtesy of an explanation for the lock. I have made some mistakes. At least I have admitted when I have made them and corrected them. BTW, for those of you who think that I do not own any AKs or build them, guess again.
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Posted: 1/8/2006 12:56:56 PM EDT
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I don't believe anyone here is trying to "fraction" the site.
AR15.COM is comprised of many different weapon platforms. I do believe those of us on the AK side of the house comprise a large presence on this board. Large enough that the Avilas gave us our own domain name. We are proud to belong to "AK47.NET" which is a part of AR15.COM. We all know it...we all acknowledge it. In fact, I take pride when I tell people I belong to "The Dark Side of AR15.COM" |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 1:02:37 PM EDT
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And we love you too you big galoot!
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Posted: 1/8/2006 1:11:03 PM EDT
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[Elvis]Thank you, thank you very muchhhhhh[/Elvis] |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 2:31:39 PM EDT
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Raptor22,
I may get accused of sucking your/Site Staff's collective dick, but I'd personally like to thank you for your strict enforcement of the AK EE BTT rules. disclaimer: I did not contact Raptor 22, in fact I almost never have any dealing with the Mods but I was pleased to see someone enforcing the rules that are written in black and white. 72 hours means 72 hours, not "about 3 days." This is to insure fairness, not to be unfair to someone who BTT's their own ad 12 hours early. How is BTT your own ad "fair" to the guys that scrupulously follow the EE forum rules? I personally have never had an EE thread locked or even received a warning. Why? Because I follow the rules. Don't bump your own ad until 72 hours have elapsed since the last post, no matter who posted it. Respond to questions via IM and email and edit your original post to reflect any changes or new info. Fellas, get ahold of yourselves. This place is getting like GunsNet? Do you really understand what you are saying?? I know why I'm here. This is the best AK site on the Web. I used to be at GunsNet and I got banned, like most of you guys. So you don't wanna renew your membership here? You want to leave? Where will you go? AKFiles? That place is dead. All of the threads are a re-hash of these. Saiga-12? That place is mostly WECSOG and TAPCO... why limit yourself to one platform? Gunco? That place was formed by refugees from GunsNet. It is a great builder's resource, but it doesn't have the depth of this place. MIG/ETA only has a handful of posts every day. Does that leave going back to GunsNet???? Or forming your own board then? All for what? Because you guys really want your cool AK stuff. Hell, I do too! This is the same issue that concerned Ruseller. He didn't follow the vendor/dealer rules and got told about it and then tossed. Many of you that are pissed now about the EE modding were pissed about that as well. Why? Because you really want your cool AK stuff! Hell, I do too! Guys, you are letting your emotions get the better of you all over some Russian magazines and handguards. Here: Mods lock EE thread for violating BTT rules. Here: Site Staff locks a thread and bans a user account who is a dealer selling items withour dealer status. GunsNet: DThor sends members threatening email with insinuation of bodily harm and lawsuits for suggesting one of their "protected" vendors is screwing people over. GunsNet: Your thread gets deleted if they don't like it and you get banned and they keep your money even if you just re-upped as a paying member. GunsNet: All of the technical info that you selflessly provided for free is now locked away into a paying-members only forum and you receive no compensation for it. Do we see a difference here??? Fellas, please, you are all great contributers here. I enjoy all of your commentary, even when we may argue. But please take a step back and reconsider some of the things you have been saying. Please take a step back and consider if maybe you are acting out of materialistic self-interest. I love AK stuff too. But I don't feel that I deserve special rules just because the stuff I'd like to have is harder to come by. OK, I said what I wanted to say. I don't want to see any of you leave. Please reconsider why mods enforcing the rules as-written is getting so many of you all stirred up. Are you guys just in it for the toys, or is there something more here? |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 3:32:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2006 3:44:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2006 3:51:51 PM EDT
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YES...the rules are the same for the AR and AK users...just seems like the AK guys are targets????????? Maybe they use a little heavier hand on this side......also go to the AR side and mention anything not AR and all hell breaks out.......we dont mind on this side. Its like theres a line drawn down the midle of the website on your left (the AR side) a shitload of guys with no humor...and on the right the fun loving talk about anything guys (the dark side).
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Posted: 1/8/2006 3:59:59 PM EDT
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I stand with the BLACK SHEEP!!!!!!! Give us back our EE....don't even think about messing with the AK discussions. That is all.
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Posted: 1/8/2006 4:04:56 PM EDT
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Nonononono!  Hey, if TSHTF tomorrow, the AR guys are going to need friends with guns that really work!
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Posted: 1/8/2006 4:09:54 PM EDT
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Wow just wow. Guys there is no conspiracy. Hell I hardly ever mess with anyone in the AK forums.You guys are the best behaved forums we have.
If you guys want to help then start helping in the Comments and Feedback forums. Thats where I got my start. The biggest problem with choosing EE mods is simple. Can you trust that guy. Thats the biggest problem. You cannot trust someone you do not know. I never see you guys helping out in the trouble forums. How do you expect us to learn who you are unless you help out. We do not care if you own AKs. Thats just silly. I own several AKs. JohnO I see you have asked about Moding the AK forums. Great we need the help. Problem is you have never helped out before and we do not know who you are. I can't tell EdSnr or GB you would be a good choice if they asked me. I will address any ?s you guys have, ask away. I wish all of you well. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 4:12:58 PM EDT
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what is a trouble forum? What do you need help with?
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Posted: 1/8/2006 4:15:36 PM EDT
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It must all be related to timing. About the time the AK EE forums started, I IM'd Aimless and offered to help.
Not saying I still want the job, just pointing out that it's not all quite like you make it seem. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 4:18:06 PM EDT
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OH GOD here comes repub18 I can see it now
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Posted: 1/8/2006 4:35:57 PM EDT
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Yep ... It's just a matter of time until he reads this and then we're really in the shit ... ...ETA: I'm really just here for the entertainment factor but I'm still pissed about ruseller and the way that was handled ... or at least the way I percieve it to have been handled ... I try to put my best foot forward when dealing with people in other parts of the world ... I try to remember that they probably don't understand some of the "Rules" ... Patience goes a long way ... I just feel that the "Andrei" deal could have been handled better ... A lot of things went on that most of you guys don't know about and I understand the "Site Owners" position to some extent but I feel that someone panicked and made hasty decisions ... That or someone couldn't stand the competition ... As far as the BTT rules, I have no problems with them ... If I'm worrying about BTT it's probably because I overpriced it or it's something nobody wants ... 
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Posted: 1/8/2006 4:48:51 PM EDT
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All you have to due is show up and help. The trouble forums are the Feedback and Comments & ? forums.
We have to deal with the same stuff over and over in the Comments & ? forums. Most of the time its a newbie who has a simple ?. The Feedback forum has new problems almost daily. If you see someone has been ripped off start tracking the thief down. See if he is working other boards. Maybe its a simple problem maybe not. Just answer ?s and help handle the problems that come up. Also if you see someone who is flat breaking the rules let one of the mods know. We love snitches.  It does make the job easier. The EE is so big we cannot see every thread. If you want to help just come over and help. Bottom line is the EE does need to be policed to a certain point. If not then it goes crazy and you have tons of non paying dealers and several criminals running around besides members yelling at each other because someone got bumped off the first page. Rememeber you may bitch about over policing but someone else is bitching because we do not do more policing. Its a catch22 for the EE staff. Not everyone will be happy. I recieved around 400 IMs in December alone. 95 to 98% were EE problems. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 4:50:28 PM EDT
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It's not up to Aimless. Its up to the Owners who gets to work in the EE. Staff and Mods can only recommend someone. |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 5:03:27 PM EDT
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BTW: I'm very glad I'm not a Mod - Staff - Owner etc: ...
Baby sitting is my least favorite thing to do ... 
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Posted: 1/8/2006 5:15:30 PM EDT
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Funny. I was told ARFCOMMERS talked shit about Saiga12 like they were turds. hmmm....... no site is above elitist comments it appears.  I'm a contributor to Saiga12.com, and yes it deals with "few" platforms of weaponry. But the help received there is still "small forum" nice. Something people often look for, and are comfortable being around. This site, and it's "staff" could keep in mind. Good Luck with your forum |
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Posted: 1/8/2006 6:09:37 PM EDT
[#47]
+1 LMAO..yeah I never thought of that
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Posted: 1/8/2006 6:09:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2006 6:15:36 PM EDT
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Don't knock the Saiga12 guys. I too am a contributer and that is the first on-line forum I ever joined. There are a lot of great guys there and If you need help they are very knowledgable about firearms.
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Posted: 1/8/2006 6:17:37 PM EDT
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I don't think anyone was knocking SAIGA12. Wecsogging is not a derisive term, but one that I know a lot of guys take pride in.
What he was saying though was that if people decide to leave over this.......where are they going to go that has everything this site has to offer. |
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