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Posted: 3/27/2009 6:51:47 PM EDT
S'cuz I want one. Never seen one yet though. |
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S'cuz I want one. Never seen one yet though. I was under the impression Remington still made one. The SP10. http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model_SP-10.asp |
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S'cuz I want one. Never seen one yet though. I was under the impression Remington still made one. The SP10. http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model_SP-10.asp Yeah, actually it looks like quite a few people make 10 guage, what about 8? |
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The NEF shotguns are available in 10ga. I'm getting one! |
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New England Special Purpose 10 Gauge Turkey Shotgun SB2MAD, 10 Gauge, 24", 3.5" Chmbr, Mossy Oak Break Up , Screw In XFull Choke
http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=84563 |
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10 gauge is about is "big" or rather, "small" as you can go with a personal weapon. 8 gauges and below generally fall under the umbrella of a "punt gun" and are thus to big/heavy to use and also illegal. FYI, a "punt gun" is a huge shotgun mounted on a small boat that was used to "Arkansas" ducks off the water by commercial hunters. A 2 gauge punt-gun can kill alot of ducks... They were so effective they were banned out right. Also, "punt guns" are very much old-school and haven't been made in 50+ years.
With the effectiveness and ubiquity of modern day 3.5 inch 12 gauge ammo, the modern 10 gauge has been relegated to a specialty gun at best. Pretty soon, it will revert back into full scale obscurity. |
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"powerful oversize muffler". If that's not reason enough to buy one, I don't know what is. |
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There really is not any reason anymore to get a 10 gauge instead of a 3.5" 12 gauge. The payloads and velocities are very similar.
I think the Fedeal Firearms Act of 1938 banned 8 gauges for use on migratory birds. Ammo has become extremely hard to find, except the stuff that has some kind of industrial use. |
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Did anybody notice the street adresses at the bottom of remington's page?
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"There really is not any reason anymore to get a 10 gauge instead of a 3.5" 12 gauge. The payloads and velocities are very similar." You are kidding right |
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Did anybody notice the street adresses at the bottom of remington's page? lol hwy AR 15 |
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"There really is not any reason anymore to get a 10 gauge instead of a 3.5" 12 gauge. The payloads and velocities are very similar." You are kidding right Nope, for example: Federal Black Steel 10 gauge, 1 5/8 oz @ 1375 fps 12 gauge, 1 1/2 @ 1500 Federal Ultra Shok HHV Steel 10 gauge, 1 1/2 @ 1450 12 gauge, 1 1/2 @ 1500 Federal Mag Shok HEAVYWEIGHT Turkey 10 gauge, 2 @ 1300 12 gauge, 1 7/8 @ 1300 3.5" 12 gauge has higher pressure (14000 psi v. 11000 for 10 gauge), and can give roughly the same performance in a smaller package. |
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FWIW: 8-gauge blanks (loaded with black powder) are very popular with nautical salute cannons. But to be legal, these signal guns must be designed so that they can't expel a projectile.
Muzzle-loading replicas of pre-1899 cannons do not suffer from this limitation. I have a 3-gauge. |
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Here is a link to a 12ga that will definetly beat any standard 10ga... 12GA from Hell
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If we just wait another few hundred years, we can probably bum an extra 8-gauge off of the Chief!
Am I the only one who wants to actually build that 8-gauge, but design some sort of shortened 8-gauge mini-shell, a la Aguila? Increase magazine capacity without sacrificing the payload by going to a larger, shorter shotshell, in the same spirit as the short magnums. And look badass while doing it. |
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"There really is not any reason anymore to get a 10 gauge instead of a 3.5" 12 gauge. The payloads and velocities are very similar." You are kidding right Nope, for example: Federal Black Steel 10 gauge, 1 5/8 oz @ 1375 fps 12 gauge, 1 1/2 @ 1500 Federal Ultra Shok HHV Steel 10 gauge, 1 1/2 @ 1450 12 gauge, 1 1/2 @ 1500 Federal Mag Shok HEAVYWEIGHT Turkey 10 gauge, 2 @ 1300 12 gauge, 1 7/8 @ 1300 3.5" 12 gauge has higher pressure (14000 psi v. 11000 for 10 gauge), and can give roughly the same performance in a smaller package. I'm convinced. I'll be happy with my 12 gauge. I don't have penis envy or anything. We always want what we don't have. There are a lot of cigars out there that are just as good as most Cuban cigars, but because we are not supposed to have them makes some people want them more and also willing to pay 5 times more for them. Ah, but that's what makes life interesting, I want a 10 gauge. |
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screw that you need a punt gun
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American arms or something like that makes a double barrel 10ga. Saw on for 400 bucks, thought about getting it and SBSing it just for effects.
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10ga, yes. Remington SP10 comes to mind. I think 8ga is classified as an NFA destructive device, IIRC.
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Ithaca used to make a 10 gauge semi-auto called the MAG-10 a.k.a. the Roadblocker; I've see them on gunbroker occasionally. |
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Browning makes the BPS 10 gauge.
Have one with wood stocks and wouldn't trade it for syn stocks or a 12 gauge. Deadly on swans and geese. |
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"There really is not any reason anymore to get a 10 gauge instead of a 3.5" 12 gauge. The payloads and velocities are very similar." You are kidding right Nope, for example: Federal Black Steel 10 gauge, 1 5/8 oz @ 1375 fps 12 gauge, 1 1/2 @ 1500 Federal Ultra Shok HHV Steel 10 gauge, 1 1/2 @ 1450 12 gauge, 1 1/2 @ 1500 Federal Mag Shok HEAVYWEIGHT Turkey 10 gauge, 2 @ 1300 12 gauge, 1 7/8 @ 1300 3.5" 12 gauge has higher pressure (14000 psi v. 11000 for 10 gauge), and can give roughly the same performance in a smaller package. While off the shelf loads may be faster in 12 gauge vs 10 gauge, the 10 really shines when you reload for it. 1 3/8oz loads at 1600 fps can be had for the 10 gauge. Not to mention that the 10 gauge will pattern better than the 12 gauge more often than not. |
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Hmm...........kinda like Doc Holliday's double barrel 10ga. Meteor? Sounds interesting
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American arms or something like that makes a double barrel 10ga. Saw on for 400 bucks, thought about getting it and SBSing it just for effects. |
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I think Tennessee Guns had some 4-gauge Russian pumps listed on their site a few years ago. I'm not sure how many were actually imported.
Found the link: Tula TOZ-123 |
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3.5" 12 gauge has higher pressure (14000 psi v. 11000 for 10 gauge), and can give roughly the same performance in a smaller package. as well as heavier recoil. The only reason I haven't bought another 10 gauge is that I can't find a 36 inch barrel. |
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3.5" 12 gauge has higher pressure (14000 psi v. 11000 for 10 gauge), and can give roughly the same performance in a smaller package. as well as heavier recoil. The only reason I haven't bought another 10 gauge is that I can't find a 36 inch barrel. |
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Ithaca used to make a 10 gauge semi-auto called the MAG-10 a.k.a. the Roadblocker; I've see them on gunbroker occasionally. Remington bought the rights to the Ithica and re named it the SP10. |
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There really is not any reason anymore to get a 10 gauge instead of a 3.5" 12 gauge. The payloads and velocities are very similar. I think the Fedeal Firearms Act of 1938 banned 8 gauges for use on migratory birds. Ammo has become extremely hard to find, except the stuff that has some kind of industrial use. There certainly is a reason. If all you want is a greater payload and the same velocities, then the 3.5 12 bore is just fine; works great on static targets like turkeys. But if you're waterfowling, the 10 bore will always out pattern the 3.5" 12 bore because it has less shot stringing. To the OP: Regarding 8 bore and larger guns; Yeah they're out there, but you can't use them for waterfowling, which really just takes the fun out of them. There weren't very many "cheap" 8 bores ever produced, and collectors really like them, so prices generally start at around 4-5k for okay ones and go up from there. If you have the opportunity to hunt waterfowl oversears, then an 8 bore would be the cats-arse; but here in the US they are a no-no. |
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Did you just discover the ten gauge?
You seem really excited and i cant figure out why, they will punish your shoulder I deer hunt in buckshot only zones so take my word for it |
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Did you just discover the ten gauge? You seem really excited and i cant figure out why, they will punish your shoulder I deer hunt in buckshot only zones so take my word for it My 3.5 inch BPS 12 gauge kicks signifigantly more than my buddys BPS 10 ga. Both using hot 1450fps loads both with ported patternmaster chokes. |
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You ever shoot a NEF single shot 3&1/2 ten guage with 3&1/2 Mag turkey loads ,then three shots is all you will shoot
before you sell,trade,or give that sucker away! Beleve me! Bob |
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Did you just discover the ten gauge? You seem really excited and i cant figure out why, they will punish your shoulder I deer hunt in buckshot only zones so take my word for it My 3.5 inch BPS 12 gauge kicks signifigantly more than my buddys BPS 10 ga. Both using hot 1450fps loads both with ported patternmaster chokes. Yep, I saw the numbers somewhere. IIRC it was 43-45 pounds of recoil from the 10 gauge and something like 60+ for the equivalent load from a 10 gauge. If you can take 3 1/2 inch loads in a 12 gauge a 3 1/2 inch 10 is almost fun in comparison. Nothing I'd want to shoot 100 rounds at clays with, but 5-10 a day on geese is no problem. I did find a 36" single the other day at a local dealer for $199 but it's a make I have never heard of, and I'm assuming not OK for steel shot. Edit-As far as the NEF goes, it's a great gun for the sub-$200 price tag it carries, and while turkey loads get punishing fast, it's not meant as a skeet gun anyway.-With that said I do recommend finding someone who has one you can shoot before buying one. $150 + $15-$25 for the first box of ammo is a lot if you only fire it 5 times. |
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The most popular current production 10ga guns made to day are the Remington SP-10, Browning 10ga auto, Browning BPS 10ga pump and the NEF break action single shot.
THe most pleasant one to shoot is the Remington. It's weight along with it being gas operated makes it quit pleasant indeed. If you ever shot a 2 3/4" 12ga magnum out of a pump gun the heaviest 10ga loads feel something like that out of it. It was revamped after Remington bought the right to it's predecessor the Ithica Mag-10. Looks the same but other than the stock nothing really swaps between the two. Remington built it the best and it is very reliable where the Ithica wasn't so much. Made foe water fowling it only hold 3X rounds period. It doesn't load fast so don't think your going to use it for a 3 gun event. I own one and it is awesome goose gun. Completely bullet proof and extremely reliable. I have hunted in freezing rain and sub zero conditions, flawless. Not something you want to carry all day across rugged terrain though the weight that tames recoil also will wear on you. Browning Auto. Lighter easier to carry, but a bit more felt recoil than the SP-10 An alloy receiver vs the Steel receiver of the Remington accounts for this. The gun hold 5 rounds total and will require a magazine plug for waterfowling. Intended for other things besides just waterfowling make it desirable to some. By far easier to load faster. I doubt I could load 3 rounds in my SP-10 as fast as 5 in the Browning with out really practicing. Another added benefit. The browning however Doesn't have the reputation the SP-10 has earned. A fine gun, but it has had issues in the past I'm told. Without researching I can't remember off hand what they were, but it never has had the following the Remington has had even though it has some good attributes and it is slightly cheaper. The BPS 10ga is a really nice pump gun Doesn't fit everyone but it's weight makes it manageable even with the mighty 10ga round. Popular because it is affordable by most and you get a repeater. Bottom ejection like the other BPS models makes it nice to locate your empties for reloading purposes. The NEF single shot is entry level. It is heavy, but it being what it is tends to belt you a bit more. Though it is by far easier on you than a Benelli nova shooting a 3.5" mag you will notice it just the same after a hard day of it. A reliable gun and very affordable give it a value worth considering since many don't break out a 10ga too often. My personal favorite is the Remington. I'm not wild about heavy recoil, I don't mind it's heft when carrying it and you should see what it does to a goose using heavy shot Using stock extra full Ti flush choke the pattern is something to behold. Love it. Too bad it costs so much for heavy shot. The 10ga is pretty awesome, but to take full advantage of it you must load for it. You can push them a lot more if your willing to. As a final thought. As of now the 12ga hardly ever matches the pattern potential the 10ga has. Only one thus far to be a contender is Mossberg. they have 10ga bores which helps it greatly. Modern ammo such as heavy shot has made your old reliable 12ga a overall winner. Keep your shooting with in reason and you'll be really happy. Late season comes around the 10ga will put a smile on your face and put a bird on the table. |
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this is an old thread but I found something at an estate/ garage sale in missouri, I thought might interest......a 4bore RIFLE and a double at that its frikin hudge only had 5 rounds with it
talk about a big kick 100.00 cash oh yea its a greener |
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