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Posted: 10/23/2008 3:35:43 PM EDT
Interesting read...
Impressive performance from only a 110g Accubond out of a 20" barrel. And....11,400 ft altitude... Not too shabby for a "CQB" weapon....  68forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4064 Kerry |
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Posted: 10/23/2008 3:39:29 PM EDT
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Good shot! If the 6.8 can whack an elk, I wonder what it would do to two legged critters?
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Posted: 10/23/2008 3:55:43 PM EDT
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Nice shooting.
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Posted: 10/23/2008 4:07:28 PM EDT
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Nice elk and nice shooting
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Posted: 10/23/2008 6:08:23 PM EDT
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Well done!
Would somebody post the information here, so that we don't have to register at 68forums? Thanks... |
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Posted: 10/23/2008 6:18:06 PM EDT
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Damn...you sniffed out my ulterior motive...
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Posted: 10/23/2008 6:26:21 PM EDT
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Originally posted by Constructor on the 68forum...
The Faukers had moved to their winter grounds so no trophy mulie for me, this is a 5x meat elk taken with the 6.8 shown at 372yds. He looked around unsure of what had happened took a few steps and stumbled, got back to his feet took 6-7 steps and crumpled, slid about 30ft to the edge of a 50ft cliff. His body is between his rack and I had to cut 2 quarters off to move him. 2nd pic the view from above timberline. ETA- 110gr Accubond at 2880fps, same 20" 13 twist 3 groove that I took to HTRs to hog hunt with. Yeah I know the 13 twist shouldn't work in cold weather or high altitude(11400ft), tell the bull that...   |
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Posted: 10/23/2008 6:28:49 PM EDT
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The only reason I have it setup requiring everyone to login is this has effectively controled spam. Since the new board went live, NO SPAM, NO PHONY SPAM accounts/NAMES and all is well. Every single member is a legit person and out board count is right. I got sick of deleting the "buy viagra" "XXX P0RN name" etc all the time.
Thats why its set up that way for those who were wondering. Plus every new person there claims its the most friendly gun board around. Thats due in part to the people there. Can't beat that with a stick  ETA: that Elk looks to be in a mighty uncomfortable position. |
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Posted: 10/23/2008 6:41:59 PM EDT
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1. Cold, I totally understand your rationale. Another internet forum will simply not be healthy for me. 2. Thank you for posting the story of the successful elk hunt. -- Matt |
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Posted: 10/23/2008 6:45:22 PM EDT
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No problem. I wish it did not come to that but the P0RN and internet gaming spam were annoying to say the least. |
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Posted: 10/25/2008 1:55:57 AM EDT
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Awesome shot
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Posted: 10/25/2008 2:55:44 AM EDT
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amazing for a round that is supposed to be harmless after 300 yards
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Posted: 10/25/2008 3:27:05 AM EDT
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Another great shot by another good shooter! Hoofing that sucker out must have been fun.
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Posted: 10/25/2008 5:39:37 AM EDT
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I'll tell ya.
The 6.8 SPC has a lot more speed and killing power than a lot of people realize or would like to admit. You read things like its got 20% or 30% more knockdown power than the 223, but its so far ahead of the 223 in killing power its not funny. Blows the doors of the 7.62x39. That said an AI version of a 7.62x39 with a 1:16 twist barrel shooting 110-123 grain handloads would probably give it a run. Beats another one I wont mention. With the 6.8 SPC, the right barrel, bullet and powder combo you can get 2900 fps with a 110 gr barnes or a 110 gr accubond which is really moving along for such a small case, but it is a very efficient case. I ran some numbers and at those speeds it should carry 2000 fps and 1000 fpe out to 375 yards. Probably close to the max distance for an animal like an elk. The 110 gr barnes TTSX loses about 50 yards due to lower BC, but its such a devistating bullet on game I think it would be a wash. The accubond at 2900 fps holds 800 fpe out close to 500 yards. That actually barely beats a 243 shooting a 95 gr nosler bal tip with a 20" barrel by about 50 yards. |
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Posted: 10/25/2008 1:53:41 PM EDT
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Dont you guys know you elk are immune to anything smaller than a 300 win mag!
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Posted: 10/25/2008 3:12:33 PM EDT
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I'm currently building a 6.8mm AR now using a Cardinal Armory 18" SPR barrel. I just ordered some mags directly from C Products. www.68forums.com got me started with my Project.
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Posted: 10/25/2008 7:47:38 PM EDT
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They have been killed with a .22 LR before too but it doesn't make it appropriate to try.
How many will start using a 6.8 thinking if it worked for him..................... And how many wounded elk will suffer needlessly because of poor shooting by inexperienced hunters with inappropriate guns and ammo. Crap like this leads to more game wasting than anyone wants to admit. Yes it's excellent shooting but at the wrong target. If it's even factual. Use some common sense. Craig |
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Posted: 10/25/2008 10:28:41 PM EDT
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funny yet no negative posts of such when certain people shoots one with a Grendel at 400 with a round that had significatnly less vel or energy along with those saying they were planning on using them for moose, interesting.
That 6.8 at that elevation had an estimated 2200+ fps and 1200+ lbs of energy at impact. How much more dead then deadis needed. At much lower eleavtion those are the same numbers a 24" barreled .270 Win with a 130TSX 3000 fpsw MV would have around 350 yards which many would consider fine for Elk. The 6.8 20" would have that at the same elavation out to 200-250 yards which is about what I would consider the max "recommended" for the 6.8. The 6.8 is about 200-300 fps slower then a 270- same barrel length so if you decrease the range to account for that whats the issue . They both hit with the same vel and energy at impact. Funny that every large animal from 400lb BlackBear to a few differnt bull and cow Elk along with caribou, mullie deer, countless 350-400lbs hogs along with wihite tail deer all have been shot and DRT with the 6.8 from 100-450 yards; no tracking of lost poor suffering wounded animals. Could it be that with todays optics and bullet technology and accuracy of the packages along with ballistic software, needing to use huge magnums to take game might not be as madatory as many think? You shoot a animal bad with anything short of a 50BMG you will be tracking. From my expereince 99% of all wounded longtrackin orlost game comes from bad bullet placement not lack of using a more powerful weapon. I am certianly not saying 6.8 is the ideal or first choice for Elk but its certianly not like shooting it with a .22 LR where you have to have a brain shot thru the eye or ear at nomorethen 10-20 yards to drop these animals.  Notice these animals where shot in typical target locations of just behind or into the shoulder and it was DRT. Sorry but that is night and day dif then some type ofa 22 LR senario. |
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Posted: 10/25/2008 11:47:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: Clearly, you're not familiar with the 6.8SPC cartridge. I've taken whitetail with it quite a number of times. Each time, they drop right there.They have been killed with a .22 LR before too but it doesn't make it appropriate to try. How many will start using a 6.8 thinking if it worked for him..................... And how many wounded elk will suffer needlessly because of poor shooting by inexperienced hunters with inappropriate guns and ammo. Crap like this leads to more game wasting than anyone wants to admit. Yes it's excellent shooting but at the wrong target. If it's even factual. Use some common sense. Craig It doesn't matter if you're shooting a 50BMG. If you can't deliver the bullet into the vital zones, you're going to injure, maim, or otherwise cause undue suffering. |
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Posted: 10/26/2008 5:33:30 AM EDT
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Quoted: Use some common sense. Craig Craig, I suggest you do likewise... as you obviously don't own a 6.8 SPC and are making an irrational judgement on a round you know NOTHING about... To use your assessment, the 6.8 SPC now in use in Afganistan should be pulled from SF units and replaced with .22LR... Then... you impune the shooter who has a stellar reputation for honesty and accurate reporting on 68forums...by suggesting his account is possibly fabricated. You owe Constructor an apology. Kerry |
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Posted: 10/26/2008 3:50:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: Actually, I got tired of arguing with a forum filled with people that can hit an elks left ventricle at 500 yards from the back of a moving jeep while the Elk is running 20 mph in the other direction.funny yet no negative posts of such when certain people shoots one with a Grendel at 400 with a round that had significatnly less vel or energy along with those saying they were planning on using them for moose, interesting. but here's my post on that subject from the grendel forum. I'm a Grendel Fanboy and I wouldn't use it for anything bigger that Whitetail, but then again I think my 270 WSM is on the light side for Elk. |
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Posted: 10/26/2008 4:05:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: An elk is not constructed similarly close to a human. A 100gr (+/- 40gr) bullet is a little on the light side for elk, moose, caribou, coastal brown bear, etc.To use your assessment, the 6.8 SPC now in use in Afganistan should be pulled from SF units and replaced with .22LR... Also, I suspect that a Ranger, SEAL or AWG asset can place shots a whole lot better than your "typical" hunter. BTW, the 5.56 is probably used by more SF operators, or point of the sword warriors, than the 6.8 –– it doesn't make it an elk killer on the norm. Let's not devolve this in to an elementary school style argument, ok? |
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Posted: 10/26/2008 4:05:58 PM EDT
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OOPS, I started this one sorry. I might as well put in my 2 pennies. I know people that have shot moose here in Maine with Marlin 336s in 30/30. Yes It took two shots most of the time. But If you know your rifle and get close enough there is meat in the freezer. I know others that have used 45/70s and various magnums with results being not a buit better than a man with his 30 year old Marlin. AL |
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Posted: 10/26/2008 4:08:40 PM EDT
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Quoted: funny yet no negative posts of such when certain people shoots one with a Grendel at 400 with a round that had significatnly less vel or energy along with those saying they were planning on using them for moose, interesting. I suspect that has to do with the person who posted the story, rather than the cartridge chosen. Then again, if you can kill an elk with a compound bow, you can do it with just about any cartridge in that power range (.243 Win, 7.62x39, 30/30, 6.5G, 6.8SPC) if you hit one lung, two lungs, or the heart. Game over. I'd wager a 10mm Glock 20 "hunter" would do it inside 100yds. |
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Posted: 10/26/2008 4:29:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: Then again, if you can kill an elk with a compound bow, you can do it with just about any cartridge in that power range (.243 Win, 7.62x39, 30/30, 6.5G, 6.8SPC) if you hit one lung, two lungs, or the heart. Game over. Not a true comparison. There is a reason most bow season are the first season of the year and that's so the animals aren't as people shy as they are by the time rifle season come around. This allows them to get closer to the animal since most bow hunters won't take a shot over 35 or 40 yards so that they can insure a good hit. Using a smaller than optimal caliber for an animal can work out fine when you get that perfect shot, but animals are seldom perfect targets, so people that decide to use smaller calibers have to be responsible enough to pass on shot's they can't be sure of. I have no problem with a responsible hunter that practices marksmanship and only takes shots he's sure of, but I been at the range during fudd season, and I know there are LOTS of hunters that are at best 4 moa capable with their chosen weapon. Now you start spreading this idea that smaller than optimal calibers are good for large game and you end up with a bunch of idiots that on their best day at the range are capable of 12" groups at 300 yards launching sub-optimal calibers at living critters under stress. |
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Posted: 10/26/2008 4:48:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: They have been killed with a .22 LR before too but it doesn't make it appropriate to try. How many will start using a 6.8 thinking if it worked for him..................... And how many wounded elk will suffer needlessly because of poor shooting by inexperienced hunters with inappropriate guns and ammo. Crap like this leads to more game wasting than anyone wants to admit. Yes it's excellent shooting but at the wrong target. If it's even factual. Use some common sense. Craig +1,very well said |
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Posted: 10/26/2008 4:57:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: Uh, no shit? Quoted: Then again, if you can kill an elk with a compound bow, you can do it with just about any cartridge in that power range (.243 Win, 7.62x39, 30/30, 6.5G, 6.8SPC) if you hit one lung, two lungs, or the heart. Game over. Not a true comparison. There is a reason most bow season are the first season of the year and that's so the animals aren't as people shy as they are by the time rifle season come around. This allows them to get closer to the animal since most bow hunters won't take a shot over 35 or 40 yards so that they can insure a good hit. Using a smaller than optimal caliber for an animal can work out fine when you get that perfect shot, but animals are seldom perfect targets, so people that decide to use smaller calibers have to be responsible enough to pass on shot's they can't be sure of. To include bow hunters and Muzzleloaders I have no problem with a responsible hunter that practices marksmanship and only takes shots he's sure of, but I been at the range during fudd season, and I know there are LOTS of hunters that are at best 4 moa capable with their chosen weapon. Now you start spreading this idea that smaller than optimal calibers are good for large game and you end up with a bunch of idiots that on their best day at the range are capable of 12" groups at 300 yards launching sub-optimal calibers at living critters under stress.   Gosh thanks for clearing that up for me. I use a low/mid level PSE 70lb bow and 125gr broadheads on Easton aluminum 2215's to hunt whitetail. You?As a matter of discussion, what is the velocity and energy of a 6.5G or 6.8SPC at 350yds?? Oddly, I suspect it is similar, OR GREATER, to my bow at 40yds. I also suspect that a properly constructed bullet at 350yds will penetrate well enougn in a game animal, as an arrow from my bow at 40yds. Lastly, 40yds for a bow is still a decently difficult shot under stress –– non-perpendicular on an incline, etc. My point is many of these bullets, including 7.62x39, have shown themselves fully capable of the penetration necessary to kill larger game. If you punch a 1" hole in one lung it's over. ETA: Why don't you check my OTHER responses in this thread before you start getting preachy with me, mmkay?? |
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Posted: 10/26/2008 5:25:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: Too much coffee? Not enough pie?ETA: Why don't you check my OTHER responses in this thread before you start getting preachy with me, mmkay?? Let's look at our responses. I didn't know you were a bow hunter so I thought I was just giving you some info. I didn't get upset or "Preachy" just gave info I didn't know you had. You turned into a spiteful child, like I somehow made fun of your junk. |
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Posted: 10/26/2008 5:27:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: Yes, let's....RIF....Let's look at our responses. "An elk is not constructed similarly close to a human. A 100gr (+/- 40gr) bullet is a little on the light side for elk, moose, caribou, coastal brown bear, etc. Also, I suspect that a Ranger, SEAL or AWG asset can place shots a whole lot better than your "typical" hunter. BTW, the 5.56 is probably used by more SF operators, or point of the sword warriors, than the 6.8 –– it doesn't make it an elk killer on the norm. Let's not devolve this in to an elementary school style argument, ok?" |
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Posted: 10/26/2008 5:35:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: Again,Quoted: Yes, let's....RIF....Let's look at our responses. "An elk is not constructed similarly close to a human. A 100gr (+/- 40gr) bullet is a little on the light side for elk, moose, caribou, coastal brown bear, etc. Also, I suspect that a Ranger, SEAL or AWG asset can place shots a whole lot better than your "typical" hunter. BTW, the 5.56 is probably used by more SF operators, or point of the sword warriors, than the 6.8 –– it doesn't make it an elk killer on the norm. Let's not devolve this in to an elementary school style argument, ok?" All prior to your "imparting" of knowledge about bow hunting...  your other posts mean nothing in our discussion since I was only addressing the one part about bow hunting, I thought I was telling you something you didn't know. I didn't call you names or question your brain or penis size, I just shared some info and an opinion. Does me not realizing that you are a bow hunter somehow offend you? |
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Posted: 10/26/2008 5:42:31 PM EDT
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Quoted: Again,your other posts mean nothing in our discussion since I was onlyaddressing the one part about bow hunting, I thought I was telling yousomething you didn't know. I didn't call you names or question yourbrain or penis size, I just shared some info and an opinion. Does me not realizing that you are a bow hunter somehow offend you? Do you firmly believe that the 6.8 SPC does not have enough penetration on tap at 350yds to adequately reach an elk's vitals? My contention was that a compound bow can harvest an elk at <80yds, therefore a mid-range cartridge like the ones I listed should offer similarly adequate penetration if placed in the correct place. All you need is one lung to be honest. Just like if you gut shot an elk at 25yds with a bow, if you gut shot an elk at 300yds with a .243 Win/6.5G/6.8SPC, the results will suck. The comparison between mid-range rifle rounds and bow is sound, and each of the rounds I listed exhibit enough penetration at that distance to get to the vitals. Your major hangup is that "hunters" can't shoot worth a shit, 4 MOA right?, and that somehow they get better shooting if they use a 338 Win Mag or 416 Rigby... |
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Posted: 10/26/2008 6:08:24 PM EDT
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No, I'm saying that people that hunt using minimum calibers should be more diligent in the preparation and execution of their hunt.
Of course it can do the job, there are pics of a dead elk in this thread that prove it, but to claim it is a legitimate elk round for the masses is pushing it. |
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Posted: 10/26/2008 6:24:02 PM EDT
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All hunters should be mindful of their preparation and shot placement, regardless of caliber. We owe it to the animal, and ourselves, to be prepared for the most humane harvest we can deliver.
The mid-range calibers are less than ideal for sure, but true expert marksmen should be able to pull it off more times than not. It sounds like we agree mostly... 
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Posted: 10/26/2008 6:26:34 PM EDT
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Quoted:
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Too much coffee? Not enough pie?
ETA: Why don't you check my OTHER responses in this thread before you start getting preachy with me, mmkay?? Let's look at our responses. I didn't know you were a bow hunter so I thought I was just giving you some info. I didn't get upset or "Preachy" just gave info I didn't know you had. You turned into a spiteful child, like I somehow made fun of your junk. IS THAT COMMENT REALLY NEEDED? IT HOLDS ZERO FACTUAL/TECHNICAL INFORMATION AND ONLY GOES FURTHER TO INJECT SPITE IN THE THREAD! IF YOUR TRULY FEEL IT IS NEEDED, PLEASE LET ME KNOW, BECAUSE THE COC AND SITE STAFF WOULD STRONLGY DISAGREE. LETS LEAVE THIS TYPE OF COMMENT FOR GENERAL DISCUSSION, THANK YOU. TO EVERYONE POSTING: MY ONLY WARNING IN THS THREAD. CEASE AND DESIST OR ELSE YOUR OFF TO STAFF. |
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Posted: 10/26/2008 6:48:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: Uhm,Quoted: Quoted: Too much coffee? Not enough pie?ETA: Why don't you check my OTHER responses in this thread before you start getting preachy with me, mmkay?? Let's look at our responses. I didn't know you were a bow hunter so I thought I was just giving you some info. I didn't get upset or "Preachy" just gave info I didn't know you had. You turned into a spiteful child, like I somehow made fun of your junk. IS THAT COMMENT REALLY NEEDED? IT HOLDS ZERO FACTUAL/TECHNICAL INFORMATION AND ONLY GOES FURTHER TO INJECT SPITE IN THE THREAD! IF YOUR TRULY FEEL IT IS NEEDED, PLEASE LET ME KNOW, BECAUSE THE COC AND SITE STAFF WOULD STRONLGY DISAGREE. LETS LEAVE THIS TYPE OF COMMENT FOR GENERAL DISCUSSION, THANK YOU. TO EVERYONE POSTING: MY ONLY WARNING IN THS THREAD. CEASE AND DESIST OR ELSE YOUR OFF TO STAFF. I was wondering why he was acting the way he was when I didn't feel I had done anything to provoke the negative response I got from him. Did you actually read his post I was responding to? or did you just see my post and assume I started this? And besides, we seem to have worked out our problems on our own. |
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Posted: 10/26/2008 6:52:06 PM EDT
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Quoted: We do agree, which is why I didn't understand what I saw as animosity. I didn't feel we were arguing, I was just posing info and then an opinion about hunters in general.All hunters should be mindful of their preparation and shot placement, regardless of caliber. We owe it to the animal, and ourselves, to be prepared for the most humane harvest we can deliver. The mid-range calibers are less than ideal for sure, but true expert marksmen should be able to pull it off more times than not. It sounds like we agree mostly... |
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Posted: 10/26/2008 7:06:29 PM EDT
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Just grabbed the last comment of the back and forth and posted the statement that this was the kind of stuff relegated to GD. Thats why I quoted you, to cut it off there. And besides, AR TECH should never drop to that in the first place, regardless. Lets all go back to being friends now
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Posted: 10/26/2008 7:52:15 PM EDT
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Great Job!
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Posted: 10/26/2008 10:06:27 PM EDT
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Not to get involved in this pissing match, but I agree with what a small majority of others have said. These animals can be and have been taken with .22LR's.
Now, this is elk hunting, which means you were pursuing this animal quite a bit, and yet you still brought a weapon that even you admitted was far from ideal. Why? The 6.8 can kill an elk, sure, but a 7mm mag does it a whole heck of a lot faster. |
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Posted: 10/27/2008 7:31:18 AM EDT
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Do you have documentation as to how many seconds it it takes an elk to die shot with a 7mm Mag? If you are correct a 338 mag would make an elk die even faster. Shot placement and bullet selection are much more important than caliber IMHO
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Not to get involved in this pissing match, but I agree with what a small majority of others have said. These animals can be and have been taken with .22LR's. Now, this is elk hunting, which means you were pursuing this animal quite a bit, and yet you still brought a weapon that even you admitted was far from ideal. Why? The 6.8 can kill an elk, sure, but a 7mm mag does it a whole heck of a lot faster. |
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Posted: 10/27/2008 7:34:20 AM EDT
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Why do some hunt Elk with a bow - because they have the knowledge the confidence and the ability. Constructor has all of the above when it comes to the 6.8. I hunted with him for Hogs in Texas earlier this year and he is not your average hunter and he would pass on a poor shot situation. He knows his weapon, its capablity and he has the confidence to make that kind of a shot. I on the other hand: that shot would be outside my abilities. Construtor shoots 100's of rounds per week - year round, rolls his own to get max performence from a weapon that he built to his spec's. I would not condemn his taking of the Elk but marvel at his marksmanship.
Fred Bear would take a bow shot that most hunters would not take because of the forementioned reason's. Know your abilities and stay within them - Bottom Line. Art - SSA |
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Posted: 10/27/2008 10:52:53 AM EDT
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Quoted:
Why do some hunt Elk with a bow - because they have the knowledge the confidence and the ability. Constructor has all of the above when it comes to the 6.8. I hunted with him for Hogs in Texas earlier this year and he is not your average hunter and he would pass on a poor shot situation. He knows his weapon, its capablity and he has the confidence to make that kind of a shot. I on the other hand: that shot would be outside my abilities. Construtor shoots 100's of rounds per week - year round, rolls his own to get max performence from a weapon that he built to his spec's. I would not condemn his taking of the Elk but marvel at his marksmanship. Fred Bear would take a bow shot that most hunters would not take because of the forementioned reason's. Know your abilities and stay within them - Bottom Line. Art - SSA Very well said. BTW, Damn nice elk. I cannot wait the get the 6.8 out again. Only a few days left. |
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Posted: 10/27/2008 6:27:34 PM EDT
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On a more positive note––-Congrats to Constructor,great shot placement from an obviously effective bullet/cartridge combo. Enjoy that fine elk meat!
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Posted: 12/30/2008 11:55:32 AM EDT
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Nice Shooting!
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Posted: 12/30/2008 12:01:17 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Nice Shooting! Why resurrect this hotly contested ZOMBIE thread for little more than a +1? Something I'd expect to see form a less than a dozen post newbie Unless of course you're just looking to stir up the poopage 
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Posted: 12/30/2008 12:28:25 PM EDT
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Just looking to make it easier to find.
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Posted: 12/30/2008 12:51:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: What rail is that?Originally posted by Constructor on the 68forum... |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 12:54:09 PM EDT
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Looks like a YHM Customizeable.
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Posted: 12/30/2008 1:59:51 PM EDT
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Plus every new person there claims its the most friendly gun board around. Thats due in part to the people there. So TRUE!!!!! Sean |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 2:13:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: Do they make one for AR10's?Looks like a YHM Customizeable. |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 2:18:28 PM EDT
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Plus every new person there claims its the most friendly gun board around. Thats due in part to the people there. So TRUE!!!!! Sean amen preach it brother |
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