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pics no worky. they do for me and thanks for posting, this is interesting, but seems like the project got a little out of hand? |
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Well, I wanted to build a shed for running the generator. When I saw the listing for $50 I thought I found an easy way out of a lot of work but the more I looked at it the more I decided I really wanted something that would better secure the generator . The original box was really just to help keep some of the rain off the generator. I think this shed will give me a ton of other options for storage beyond just being a shed to hold the generator while it is running.
As for the images, I did have an error in my path and I fixed them. |
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I love the no refilling the tank setup. Just swap the whole jerry can. Yeah to bad its my only one, the original was filled with rust, still have it but its unusable. Havent checked this one to see if its rusted out, but I can just connect the fuel line to any external can if needed. |
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are you going to connect to a transfer switch on the panel or bootloeg it in.
are you planning on running it inside the wood box, I would be concerned with a fire hazzard. |
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are you going to connect to a transfer switch on the panel or bootloeg it in. are you planning on running it inside the wood box, I would be concerned with a fire hazzard. I am planning to add a subpannel and I have a thread on that here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=10&f=18&t=626636 When I get that wired, I will run the wire to the wall next to wher ethis generator shed will be sitting. Then I will use a short cord to connect the generator to the plug in the wall. the generator shed will be about 20-feet from my service panel when it is in place. As for the fire hazard, they make these generator sheds out of plastic so this will certainly be less subject to problems then the plastic boxes. The extra depth I added was to ensure that I have at least 8-inches between the exaust and the door and I have thought about adding metal to the inside of the door to act as a heat shield as well. The fan will provide plenty of ventilation for this little shed so the inside of the shed shoul dnot get hot but I will need to do some testing once it is all done. Still, I have never tried this before so I will have to see what happens after it is built and running. |
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Nice job. Seems like a lot of trouble just to build a box around the metal shed you bought. You could have just built the wood box and not even used the shed thing. To each his own.
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Nice job. Seems like a lot of trouble just to build a box around the metal shed you bought. You could have just built the wood box and not even used the shed thing. To each his own. Absolutely! I had planned to build the shed before I found the metal box. Once I found the metal box I couldn't seem to not buy it and after stairing at it for a couple days I decided to build what I had planned anyways. My "mistake" was not leaving the metal shed alone and selling it and getting my money back out of it as frankly that metal box inside the shed does not do a whole lot to add strength to the box. Just with this in there someone could not cut this generator out with a chainsaw now The steel that this metal shed was made out of is really significant and once I had it I felt obligated to include it (perhaps foolishly). I would certainly not suggest anybody add the steel if you build your own! |
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I would like to make one with cinder blocks and a type of steel roof, and hide it in the the back yard and possibly half buried. that would help with the noise if your trying to run it without anyone knowing. mine sounds like a lawn mover from the street, if all power is out someone will hear some type of noise.
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Maybe I missed something but why do you need the metal housing if you are going to bolt it inside a bigger shed? Might as well not even use it, or did I miss something?
Sorry missed your previous post |
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You guys do pretty good work. I suck at carpentry. I must second that... my carpentry all looks like the stuff "Little Bill" built in "Unforgiven." |
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Sorry, I have not managed to get oics of the final project. Kids are back to school and time has been short but perhaps tonight I can get the electric hooked up for the fan and take final pics...
I have a question however if anyone has any advise... The fan uses flexable metal conduit and I purchased a metal box that I will be mounting inside the shed. The conduit serves as a ground for the fan so the metal box will get grounded to the metal box inside my shed. I am considering adding a second ground wire that would connect the generator to the metal box as well and then adding a copper clad grounding rod outside of the shed that would then be connected to the metal box inside the shed. I do not know if this is a bit overkill, everything else about this shed is already overkill, but my theory is that 95%+ of the time this shed is going to be used to store my gassoline and propane. I figure a ground might help prevent any static build-up when the generator is not in use and it would also ground the generator and fan when the gas cans and propane cylinders are removed and the generator is run in there. I am not planning to buy a huge grounding rod, just a 3-ft or so copper clad one for what should really only be for static. Also note, the metal floor and edges of the metal shed were painted with rubberized truck bed liner. This was done to prevent metal-to-metal contact of the shed to Jerry Cans plus it should help prevent some of the vibration. It also makes it look a lot better too, not that I tried to make this shed look pretty. I already have grounding wire and clamps so the only thing I would need to buy is a grounding rod and as long as I don't buy a solid coper unit they are not that expensive compared to the money I have already invested. Any Oppinions? |
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I install grounding rods all the time at work, but the ones ive ever seen were around 8 feet long, and they arent solid copper. We use a electric jackhammer to pound them in. If your near your house cold water copper pipe you can buy a clamp for that. On mine since its so far away, and its on concrete I never used a ground rod. I know at the gas stations they want you to fill the tanks on the ground, so maybe the ground rod, or ground wire into the earth is a good idea. Is yours on a concrete pad, that may be good enough. When we do concrete pads for transformers we will install stripped copper wire on top of the rebar, I think in a circle pattern. Been years since we did it but we used a certain length of bare wire, and the end of it stuck out of the concrete to tie into the transformer. I think it was called a ufer ground. That may be the easiest way if your not on a concrete pad.
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Personally I would have either not used the metal frame or fletched it so you could add wood or just used more metal for the sides.
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I install grounding rods all the time at work, but the ones ive ever seen were around 8 feet long, and they arent solid copper. We use a electric jackhammer to pound them in. If your near your house cold water copper pipe you can buy a clamp for that. On mine since its so far away, and its on concrete I never used a ground rod. I know at the gas stations they want you to fill the tanks on the ground, so maybe the ground rod, or ground wire into the earth is a good idea. Is yours on a concrete pad, that may be good enough. When we do concrete pads for transformers we will install stripped copper wire on top of the rebar, I think in a circle pattern. Been years since we did it but we used a certain length of bare wire, and the end of it stuck out of the concrete to tie into the transformer. I think it was called a ufer ground. That may be the easiest way if your not on a concrete pad. It is not on a concrete pad. The shed was built on 4x6 pressure treated to act as skids. The internal metal box is lag bolted to the skids but the lags to not penetrate to the ground. As for 8-ft grounds, I really hope that is not necessary or I will run a wire to the house ground and tie into that. Quoted:
Personally I would have either not used the metal frame or fletched it so you could add wood or just used more metal for the sides. Well, the original box was smaller then what I would want to enclose so my original plan was to just extend it but I just couldn't stop myself and before long the project took a left turn and I ended up with this metal box inside there that really was not needed. Still, it is all steel and welded so it would make a good grounding surface if there is any value to doing it. |
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OK, I am sorry I get delayed in posting the rst of the pics. My wife was loosing patience with my project and taking pics so I didn't take pics of every step along the way....
Here is the Shed with holes cut for the vents: Air Intake vent from outside Air Intake vent on inside with screen: Power vent outside: Power Vent on inside - Note I had to notch the board above vent for lever to work: This is the thermostat control for the fan, it was removed Note the cover of the thermostat popped off and I saved it for some future project Fan screwed to inside of Generator Shed I didn't get pics of adding the roof or doing the roofing. Also note that the shed now has three hinges. I discovered, must to my frustration, that the hinges I had chosen for this project had pins that could be popped out to allow access to the shed from the hinge side. So, I bought another pair of hinges that could not be disassembled and as long as I already had the other hinge I elected to use three hinges on that side of the door. Also note I painted the power vent black. The air intake vent says it is not paint able so I left it white. This is the largest locking latch I could get and it is bolted fast with lots of carriage bolts. Note the black coating is rubberized truck bed lining. I bought a gallon of it and applied numerous coats. The dribbles down the front were because I didn't expect the liquid to flow. I decided it gives the shed a well used look so I decided not to try to scrape it off. Fan on inside Vent on inside Finished electrical hookup: Height demonstration: Some of the cans in the shed: Note that I can fit at least 23 20l Jerry cans in the shed (note I would never have that many in there that are full!), Right now I have three full Scepters and my 5-gal Safety can. The two 20-gal propane cylinders are visiting while I work to redo another smaller shed as I am pretty sure the fire code around hear says I am not supposed to store propane in the same shed as gasoline but it is better then it sitting in the garage or out unlocked so it is in there for now. Here is a pic that shows a row of 4-Jerry cans wide: Now, if I needed to use the generator, all I need to do is pull out my gas containers and park the generator in there. I then would plug the fan into one of the outlets on the generator and use extension cords to power my critical equipment. My next major project is to add an electric sub panel that will allow me to run the power from the generator to the critical circuits and when that is done the fan will get plugged into an outlet powered by the subpanel to allow for better load management. That is why I used a 10-ft extension cord. Here is the tread on the Transfer Panels I am looking at: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=10&f=18&t=626636 I also said I was keeping track of my expenses but I have to be honest, I spent a small fortune that really was not needed. I have more carriage bolts, lag bolts, screws, nails, and extra pressure treated lumber on this shed to the point I could have likely built three of these and they would have been strong enough. My goal was to make this strong enough that nobody would be able to break their way in and this shed is way stronger then the pictures make it look. It is also a very heavy critter between the steel box on the inside and all the extra stuff I added around it. The last item I need to do is to ground the metal box on the inside to the house. I have heavy ground wire for the job and it will simply get run into the garage where the natural gas line comes in and I will attach the ground wire directly to that. The fan in the shed is already grounded to the metal box via self taping metal screws and a second wire is in place to allow me to ground the generator to the metal box as well. Anyways, this project is done and it gives us a lot of storage for fuel as well as a place to run the generator if we ever loose power long enough that we need the generator. |
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attach the ground to a cold water pipe, not the gas line I need to look again but I am pretty sure that the electrician has the house ground connected to the gas line. The water line is on the opposite side of the house and there is no grounding rod. |
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