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Posted: 12/11/2013 2:29:44 PM EDT
Anything from spears, knives, butcher knives, spears, sticks, batons, pistols, revolvers and lots of shotguns.
Neighbors guarding a walmart. About half of the +10 dead so far are looters. A cop got shot under his BA, and a couple store owners were killed during the attacks. One looter electrocuted himself while trying to loot a widescreen TV. Check the link for more images. http://www.perfil.com/fotogaleria.html?filename=/contenidos/2013/12/11/noticia_0019.html&fotoNro=1 Oh, by the way, there's still looting in several hotspots across the country. Here's the link to a video I did about how to defend yourself from this kind of thing, when there's pretty widespread looting and rioting across the country. FerFAL |
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Anything to put the odds more in your favor is better than just empty handed. Some folks just do not understand civilization is a very thin cover for the savagery we as humans are capable of.
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Hmm.
It looks like the people are equally armed with regard to technological advancements in firearms. I guess here in America, if that sort of chaos were to happen here, it'd be a bunch of ARs and Glocks in the photos. |
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Hmm. It looks like the people are equally armed with regard to technological advancements in firearms. I guess here in America, if that sort of chaos were to happen here, it'd be a bunch of ARs and Glocks in the photos. View Quote in my area AR's would be light weapons to some of the NFA stuff people have.. |
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Real interesting looking pair of gun in this photo http://www.perfil.com/export/sites/diarioperfil/img/2013/12/sociedad/1211_saqueos_gente_armada_g14.jpg_1853027552.jpg That rifle looks like something I've seen before, but I can't place it. ETA: curious what that gun on the left of the first pic is too. View Quote The pistol is a Bersa 22LR long barrel, cant remember the model. The carbine is a 22LR semi auto Mahely , model "Caballeria". Mahely makes mostly air rifles, but they did make some 22s. The "shotgun hadngun" on the first pic I posted, (left, double barrel black gun) those are called "pistolones" and are legal short barrel handgun shotguns in calibers similar to 410. They are very common across Argentina and while not great, they can do a mess when loaded with the right load. FerFAL |
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Guy with AR wins the arms race. Next priorities..some body armor and safety glasses...too much birdshot.
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Military calibers aren't allowed in many Central / South American countries. The .22LR is all that is allowed in a lot of places.
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Joe Biden would be proud with all the shotguns being carried.
FerFal, do they have "slugs" available? |
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Joe Biden would be proud with all the shotguns being carried. FerFal, do they have "slugs" available? View Quote Yes, both slugs and some very nice military 00 buck. I loved those buckshot shells made by Fabricaciones Militares! That was powerful stuff. These guys, most of these incidents took place in the provinces that are for the most very rural, so most of these guys go hunting very often. FerFAL |
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Thanks for posting this ferfal. Your posts showing whats going on down there shows what is coming some day up here.
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Anything from spears, knives, butcher knives, spears, sticks, batons, pistols, revolvers and lots of shotguns. http://www.perfil.com/export/sites/diarioperfil/img/2013/12/sociedad/1211_saqueos_gente_armada_g.jpg_1853027552.jpg http://www.perfil.com/export/sites/diarioperfil/img/2013/12/sociedad/1211_saqueos_gente_armada_g6.jpg_1853027552.jpg Neighbors guarding a walmart. About half of the +10 dead so far are looters. A cop got shot under his BA, and a couple store owners were killed during the attacks. One looter electrocuted himself while trying to loot a widescreen TV. Check the link for more images. http://www.perfil.com/fotogaleria.html?filename=/contenidos/2013/12/11/noticia_0019.html&fotoNro=1 Oh, by the way, there's still looting in several hotspots across the country. Here's the link to a video I did about how to defend yourself from this kind of thing, when there's pretty widespread looting and rioting across the country. FerFAL View Quote A scoped .22 AR with a 20 round mag and a scope could be a decent weapon much better than nothing. and the AR guy's group looked WAY better armed that the other groups, hand out shotguns for neighbors? |
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Military calibers aren't allowed in many Central / South American countries. The .22LR is all that is allowed in a lot of places. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Military calibers aren't allowed in many Central / South American countries. The .22LR is all that is allowed in a lot of places. That's the case of Brazil and a few other SA countries, but not Argentina or Uruguay. Uruguay is both the most armed and safest country in SA (dont tell the anti gun lobby though, they dont like reality) Brazil on the other hand, with huge resitrictions for civilians, is very dangerous and criminals are some of the best armed in the world, with any favela being full of druglord footsoldiers armed with full auto ARs, Ak and other military small arms. In Argentina you can own big bore handguns of all calibers, rifles and shotguns too though semi auto centerfire long arms are very much resitricted to collecter which only a handfull of people across the country have been autohrised as RENAR collectors (I'm one so that's why I have a FAL and SMG 9mm) Quoted:
Is this confined to Cordoba, or is it starting to spread? These last few days it was across the entire country. Today Tucuman and Salta are the ones with the most problems, buy Concordia yesterday and Cordoba when it first started, those were literal warzones. There's tons of video clips in youtube, some scary stuff. Quoted:
A scoped .22 AR with a 20 round mag and a scope could be a decent weapon much better than nothing. and the AR guy's group looked WAY better armed that the other groups, hand out shotguns for neighbors? Yes, I saw its a 22LR AR. Not really a bad weapon for riot control, especially as part of a group of people. It allows for lots of cheap warning and supresive fire. Generally a few quick rounds in their direction sends the looters away, adn if it doesnt you can slow them down with the 22LR semi auto and finish them with the machetes. Guys, guns but also, armor, tactical flashlights (in some areas NVG) ,respirators, radios and blow out kits, that kind of gear can come in very handy during something like this. FerFAL |
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The guy with the spear made from a knife is wearing flip-flops.
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Something is better than nothing.
Also good to see there is no shortage of carb-heavy sustenance. |
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lucky it didn't happen here in the states. LE would take the guns away from the store owners but not criminals like they did when Kartina hit
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They need more life vest http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4s5pmFL_ZlQ/SHd5jUt8GiI/AAAAAAAABEQ/cYBN5QgxLuA/s320/war+face+life+jacket+gardening+gloves+badass++motivational+poster+posters+inspirational+funny+demotivational+hot++humorous+www.motivationalpostersonline.blogspot.com.jpg View Quote LOL. Israel uses suppressed .22 rifles for 'crowd control' last I checked. A little worried we're going to get some guy regurgitating the 'you can kill an elephant with a .22' stuff in this thread. A .22 is great for a lot of things, but would not be my first choice for self-defense. Ferfal - I realize there are still a lot of countries down there where you CAN own various calibers, and own handguns, military weapons etc. Just saying that there are quite a few places they are heavily controlled - likely the reason for that .22LR AR15, not so mention the bladed weapons. |
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Uhmmmm, no. It's a TALA .22lr Fer. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1l-7rUoBD8Y/StzLFrCrpCI/AAAAAAAAI2Y/sez-cNx2Yi0/s320/Tala-2.JPG Could be a longer barreled version than the one pictured in this post (eventhough I don't think it is), but definitely a TALA. Bersas have standard, exposed hammers and TALAs, well, they don't. TALAs have an AWESOME trigger and come in a few different barrel lenghts. HTR, View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Uhmmmm, no. It's a TALA .22lr Fer. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1l-7rUoBD8Y/StzLFrCrpCI/AAAAAAAAI2Y/sez-cNx2Yi0/s320/Tala-2.JPG Could be a longer barreled version than the one pictured in this post (eventhough I don't think it is), but definitely a TALA. Bersas have standard, exposed hammers and TALAs, well, they don't. TALAs have an AWESOME trigger and come in a few different barrel lenghts. HTR, You're right, its a TALA. NEver had much luck with them though, the couple TALAs I owned where just a headache in spite of the good rep they have, never managed to find a round they liked and worked reliably. Maybe it was just bad luck. I though it was this Bersa. Quoted:
lucky it didn't happen here in the states. LE would take the guns away from the store owners but not criminals like they did when Kartina hit They've been pretty cool about it so far. Keep in mind there's no nd2A in Argentina, yet cops didnt go after the people clealry guarding their commuinities and trying to keep order. FerFAL |
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Fernando - what's the law regarding shooting of looters in Argentina or there is no law so no one cares?
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Fernando - what's the law regarding shooting of looters in Argentina or there is no law so no one cares? View Quote You have the right to self defense so the law is on your side given that you are unlawfully attacked and you fear for your life. This would be a good example of that. You dont have the right to carry firearms and most of these people dont have a carry license, but given the situation cops are pretty understandable and wont go against neighbors clearly protecting their community. FerFAL |
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When things go sideways people will arm themselves with whatever they can. One dude had a big tree branch. Whatever, I'm not trying to get hit with it! The US would look a lot like that. People grabbing grandpas .38 or .270 that hasnt seen the light of day in years. I suspect you'd see just as many shotguns here too.
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You have the right to self defense so the law is on your side given that you are unlawfully attacked and you fear for your life. This would be a good example of that. You dont have the right to carry firearms and most of these people dont have a carry license, but given the situation cops are pretty understandable and wont go against neighbors clearly protecting their community. FerFAL View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Fernando - what's the law regarding shooting of looters in Argentina or there is no law so no one cares? You have the right to self defense so the law is on your side given that you are unlawfully attacked and you fear for your life. This would be a good example of that. You dont have the right to carry firearms and most of these people dont have a carry license, but given the situation cops are pretty understandable and wont go against neighbors clearly protecting their community. FerFAL I believe what he's asking about looting in particular. Someone looting a Wal-Mart is different than someone attacking you. Are they allowing the use of lethal force to stop looting or just physical attacks? |
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Ferfal - I apologize if I missed it but did something recently occur to cause this looting or has this been occurring for some time?
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Police going on strike I believe. I could be wrong though View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Ferfal - I apologize if I missed it but did something recently occur to cause this looting or has this been occurring for some time? Police going on strike I believe. I could be wrong though I'm in ground cero, you are correct, the nutshell version is just that, state police depts (provincial police, in like 11 provinces) going on strike. HTR. |
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You have the right to self defense so the law is on your side given that you are unlawfully attacked and you fear for your life. This would be a good example of that. You dont have the right to carry firearms and most of these people dont have a carry license, but given the situation cops are pretty understandable and wont go against neighbors clearly protecting their community. FerFAL View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Fernando - what's the law regarding shooting of looters in Argentina or there is no law so no one cares? You have the right to self defense so the law is on your side given that you are unlawfully attacked and you fear for your life. This would be a good example of that. You dont have the right to carry firearms and most of these people dont have a carry license, but given the situation cops are pretty understandable and wont go against neighbors clearly protecting their community. FerFAL It's hard to fully grasp what is going on in Argentina without being there in person or having lived there, but somehow I seriously doubt America's police forces would be so understandable if we were to go through the same thing here. Sure there would be some communities where the local police or sheriff would let someone go, but as a whole I think it would be the Katrina days all over again and the jails would overfill in no time. |
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Yes, both slugs and some very nice military 00 buck. I loved those buckshot shells made by Fabricaciones Militares! That was powerful stuff. These guys, most of these incidents took place in the provinces that are for the most very rural, so most of these guys go hunting very often. FerFAL View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Joe Biden would be proud with all the shotguns being carried. FerFal, do they have "slugs" available? Yes, both slugs and some very nice military 00 buck. I loved those buckshot shells made by Fabricaciones Militares! That was powerful stuff. These guys, most of these incidents took place in the provinces that are for the most very rural, so most of these guys go hunting very often. FerFAL Argentine Rednecks? No offense, I consider myself to be a redneck yuppie. |
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That's the case of Brazil and a few other SA countries, but not Argentina or Uruguay. Uruguay is both the most armed and safest country in SA (dont tell the anti gun lobby though, they dont like reality) Brazil on the other hand, with huge resitrictions for civilians, is very dangerous and criminals are some of the best armed in the world, with any favela being full of druglord footsoldiers armed with full auto ARs, Ak and other military small arms. In Argentina you can own big bore handguns of all calibers, rifles and shotguns too though semi auto centerfire long arms are very much resitricted to collecter which only a handfull of people across the country have been autohrised as RENAR collectors (I'm one so that's why I have a FAL and SMG 9mm) ....................................FerFAL View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Military calibers aren't allowed in many Central / South American countries. The .22LR is all that is allowed in a lot of places. That's the case of Brazil and a few other SA countries, but not Argentina or Uruguay. Uruguay is both the most armed and safest country in SA (dont tell the anti gun lobby though, they dont like reality) Brazil on the other hand, with huge resitrictions for civilians, is very dangerous and criminals are some of the best armed in the world, with any favela being full of druglord footsoldiers armed with full auto ARs, Ak and other military small arms. In Argentina you can own big bore handguns of all calibers, rifles and shotguns too though semi auto centerfire long arms are very much resitricted to collecter which only a handfull of people across the country have been autohrised as RENAR collectors (I'm one so that's why I have a FAL and SMG 9mm) ....................................FerFAL The latest figures for Uruguay from the UN Office on Drugs & Crime are for 2004. Compared to Argentina and Brazil the statistics, for what they are worth, are............... Homicide by firearm rate per 100,000 population Argentina (2005) 2.7 -none available for 2004- Brazil (2004) 18.6 Uruguay (2004) 2.8 Mexico (2004) 2.7 US (2004) 3.6 |
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The latest figures for Uruguay from the UN Office on Drugs & Crime are for 2004. Compared to Argentina and Brazil the statistics, for what they are worth, are............... Homicide by firearm rate per 100,000 population Argentina (2005) 2.7 -none available for 2004- Brazil (2004) 18.6 Uruguay (2004) 2.8 Mexico (2004) 2.7 US (2004) 3.6 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Military calibers aren't allowed in many Central / South American countries. The .22LR is all that is allowed in a lot of places. That's the case of Brazil and a few other SA countries, but not Argentina or Uruguay. Uruguay is both the most armed and safest country in SA (dont tell the anti gun lobby though, they dont like reality) Brazil on the other hand, with huge resitrictions for civilians, is very dangerous and criminals are some of the best armed in the world, with any favela being full of druglord footsoldiers armed with full auto ARs, Ak and other military small arms. In Argentina you can own big bore handguns of all calibers, rifles and shotguns too though semi auto centerfire long arms are very much resitricted to collecter which only a handfull of people across the country have been autohrised as RENAR collectors (I'm one so that's why I have a FAL and SMG 9mm) ....................................FerFAL The latest figures for Uruguay from the UN Office on Drugs & Crime are for 2004. Compared to Argentina and Brazil the statistics, for what they are worth, are............... Homicide by firearm rate per 100,000 population Argentina (2005) 2.7 -none available for 2004- Brazil (2004) 18.6 Uruguay (2004) 2.8 Mexico (2004) 2.7 US (2004) 3.6 Just the UN being the UN. |
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Yes, there's even air rifles there. But this one is my favorite, pistol, revolver and a big ass butchers knife or some kind of short machete. http://www.perfil.com/export/sites/diarioperfil/img/2013/12/sociedad/1211_saqueos_gente_armada_g1.jpg_1853027552.jpg FerFAL View Quote whats he got in the bag? is it a collection of ears?? lol |
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lucky it didn't happen here in the states. LE would take the guns away from the store owners but not criminals like they did when Kartina hit View Quote IF that happens it'll only be because the good guys have something to stand for; a house or a store. They stay in place and welcome the appearance of "law enforcement" - only to be betrayed and disarmed. The bad guys have nothing to stand for. They rove around, attacking targets of opportunity, and hide from the police like roaches when the lights come on. LE should be ashamed when they take guns from the former. |
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The latest figures for Uruguay from the UN Office on Drugs & Crime are for 2004. Compared to Argentina and Brazil the statistics, for what they are worth, are............... Homicide by firearm rate per 100,000 population Argentina (2005) 2.7 -none available for 2004- Brazil (2004) 18.6 Uruguay (2004) 2.8 Mexico (2004) 2.7 US (2004) 3.6 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Military calibers aren't allowed in many Central / South American countries. The .22LR is all that is allowed in a lot of places. That's the case of Brazil and a few other SA countries, but not Argentina or Uruguay. Uruguay is both the most armed and safest country in SA (dont tell the anti gun lobby though, they dont like reality) Brazil on the other hand, with huge resitrictions for civilians, is very dangerous and criminals are some of the best armed in the world, with any favela being full of druglord footsoldiers armed with full auto ARs, Ak and other military small arms. In Argentina you can own big bore handguns of all calibers, rifles and shotguns too though semi auto centerfire long arms are very much resitricted to collecter which only a handfull of people across the country have been autohrised as RENAR collectors (I'm one so that's why I have a FAL and SMG 9mm) ....................................FerFAL The latest figures for Uruguay from the UN Office on Drugs & Crime are for 2004. Compared to Argentina and Brazil the statistics, for what they are worth, are............... Homicide by firearm rate per 100,000 population Argentina (2005) 2.7 -none available for 2004- Brazil (2004) 18.6 Uruguay (2004) 2.8 Mexico (2004) 2.7 US (2004) 3.6 Nothing like 10 year old statistics to clarify things. |
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IF that happens it'll only be because the good guys have something to stand for; a house or a store. They stay in place and welcome the appearance of "law enforcement" - only to be betrayed and disarmed. The bad guys have nothing to stand for. They rove around, attacking targets of opportunity, and hide from the police like roaches when the lights come on. LE should be ashamed when they take guns from the former. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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lucky it didn't happen here in the states. LE would take the guns away from the store owners but not criminals like they did when Kartina hit IF that happens it'll only be because the good guys have something to stand for; a house or a store. They stay in place and welcome the appearance of "law enforcement" - only to be betrayed and disarmed. The bad guys have nothing to stand for. They rove around, attacking targets of opportunity, and hide from the police like roaches when the lights come on. LE should be ashamed when they take guns from the former. Not sure why some of the previous posters were giving the confiscation comment the stink eye...are you able to keep a straight face and say it hasn't/couldn't/wouldn't happen? Something that I find interesting is that they encountered no real resistance....AND... if you look at how they were equipped...they were NOT prepared for any real resistance. No real armor, nothing more than rifles/pistols, no frags/smokes/etc, minimal spare mags, not even any decent vehicles from what I saw. It really wouldn't have been hard for a guerrilla or a group of guerrillas to decimate an entire "team" in a few seconds. And their capabilities to retaliate weren't that great short term. Hell, they couldn't even get water to the superdome or plug the levees for close to a week! Kinda seemed like they showed up for duty to help the victims and someone said "ok...change of plans...we're confiscating weapons instead...." The downside to all of this is that, since Katrina, DHS has been doing a LOT of training/educating on confiscation so that next time it will not be nearly as easy for the good guys. -Emt1581 |
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whats he got in the bag? is it a collection of ears?? lol View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yes, there's even air rifles there. But this one is my favorite, pistol, revolver and a big ass butchers knife or some kind of short machete. http://www.perfil.com/export/sites/diarioperfil/img/2013/12/sociedad/1211_saqueos_gente_armada_g1.jpg_1853027552.jpg FerFAL whats he got in the bag? is it a collection of ears?? lol Plastic coke bottle cut in half as an improvised stone-rock carrier. HTR. |
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So I will ask, WTF is going on down there? Links to details?
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