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Posted: 4/28/2014 4:09:47 PM EDT
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Maybe look into carrier or bryant. I'm looking right now also, and goodman, trane, etc are pretty much meh.
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Posted: 4/28/2014 4:13:35 PM EDT
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Well, not to your question, but if you were going to consider Trane, go American Standard. My neighbor who does this stuff says AS is Trane equipment just branded AS. He says that even the internal part numbers only vary by a prefix, and you won't pay for the Trane name.
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Posted: 4/28/2014 4:15:38 PM EDT
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If it's any help, I paid almost $6k in Dallas for what appears to be the same Lennox unit. I got 3 estimates, but it looks like I should have gotten more. I have had the unit for less than a year and no issues. My utility bills have dropped by about $75/month so far. I only have 1520 sq feet and wouldn't suggest going less than 3.5 ton, but I do live in Texas.
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Posted: 4/28/2014 4:19:17 PM EDT
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Maybe look into carrier or bryant. I'm looking right now also, and goodman, trane, etc are pretty much meh. I don't know too may HVAC techs that would tell you to go with a Carrier over Trane. Most ot the ones around here recommend Trane, American Standard, or Rheem. I just put in a 4 ton 18.5 SEER Trane unit and it is very nice. It has a variable speed motor as well. OP, it definitely is worth the additional money to go with a higher efficiency unit. IME, the paypack is pretty quick. |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 4:20:27 PM EDT
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Well, not to your question, but if you were going to consider Trane, go American Standard. My neighbor who does this stuff says AS is Trane equipment just branded AS. He says that even the internal part numbers only vary by a prefix, and you won't pay for the Trane name. Well these are really the only game in town. A couple of other small places for the most part just work on them and don't do major installs. I thought about calling someone from another town about 10 miles away. |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 4:22:24 PM EDT
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If it's any help, I paid almost $6k in Dallas for what appears to be the same Lennox unit. I got 3 estimates, but it looks like I should have gotten more. I have had the unit for less than a year and no issues. My utility bills have dropped by about $75/month so far. I only have 1520 sq feet and wouldn't suggest going less than 3.5 ton, but I do live in Texas. Sounds like I'm getting a smoking deal here! 
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Posted: 4/28/2014 4:26:50 PM EDT
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I would not buy from anyone that spelled "will" like "wil1"
Shop around again. Your second choice is a dummy. 10 miles is not a lot to ask a company to drive for a quote. |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 4:27:22 PM EDT
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Get thee to the DIY forum. I just did this. There's real HVAC guys in there.
How did they agree to go 3.5 ton? Did they do a manual J? Also XB is builders grade. It's not necessarily comparable, but i just replaced a 18 year old Trane with a XL18i and it's 3 ton for slightly more Square footage. |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 4:27:23 PM EDT
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Are there any local american standard dealers
American standard is built by trane. There virtually identical except price |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 4:30:36 PM EDT
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Well looks like I didn't read previous comments
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Posted: 4/28/2014 4:32:22 PM EDT
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Lennox is gtg.
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Posted: 4/28/2014 4:55:58 PM EDT
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hmmm
prices look really cheap, labor burden must be low where you live. I install all three major brands and AS has the best customer service |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 4:59:01 PM EDT
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Get thee to the DIY forum. I just did this. There's real HVAC guys in there. How did they agree to go 3.5 ton? Did they do a manual J? Also XB is builders grade. It's not necessarily comparable, but i just replaced a 18 year old Trane with a XL18i and it's 3 ton for slightly more Square footage. Whats a manual J? Is there anything wrong with builder's grade? |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 5:03:25 PM EDT
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hmmmprices look really cheap, labor burden must be low where you live. I install all three major brands and AS has the best customer service Labor here is really cheap compared to elsewhere. |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 5:06:38 PM EDT
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Love my 95% efficient Trane. The A/C rocks too.
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Posted: 4/28/2014 5:07:07 PM EDT
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oh I thought this was a boxing match thread. I'm outta here.
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Posted: 4/28/2014 5:11:52 PM EDT
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That extra $700 for "High efficiency" better include a DC variable drive blower. [expensive as hell to replace though]
An 80% is an antique they probably forgot about in the back of the warehouse, that is probably just tossed in for a lowball bid. Hell, I can BUY a 95% 2 stage for less then that $700 upgrade on the sales write up.. Overall pricing is pretty good though. |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 5:26:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/28/2014 5:32:40 PM EDT
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Fucking hate working on Lennox units, Trane is better IMO.
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Posted: 4/28/2014 5:33:21 PM EDT
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I hate Lennox units, over controlled and over complicated.
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Posted: 4/28/2014 5:42:03 PM EDT
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What ever you get, make sure it doesn't have a Bristol compressor, I hate them. I can't tell you how many over the years I've replaced, get something with at least a Copeland scroll compressor.
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Posted: 4/28/2014 5:45:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryRead it twice. Thanks
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Posted: 4/28/2014 5:46:27 PM EDT
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I just got a new unit. Bryant. The guy said that Trane was having customer service issues with their computers.
Sounded like BS but the house is freezing so who am I to argue? 
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Posted: 4/28/2014 5:46:50 PM EDT
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Trane.
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Posted: 4/28/2014 5:49:35 PM EDT
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That extra $700 for "High efficiency" better include a DC variable drive blower. [expensive as hell to replace though] An 80% is an antique they probably forgot about in the back of the warehouse, that is probably just tossed in for a lowball bid. Hell, I can BUY a 95% 2 stage for less then that $700 upgrade on the sales write up.. Overall pricing is pretty good though. Yes that was some kind of 2 speed blower fan on that upgrade. Not really sure we need the high efficiency furnace. Are gas bills are really cheap here. But we can spend 2-3 hundred more in the summer for the AC. Last summer my compressor would run all day and night and never get the temp below 76. |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 5:50:39 PM EDT
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I just got a new unit. Bryant. The guy said that Trane was having customer service issues with their computers. Sounded like BS but the house is freezing so who am I to argue? 
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Posted: 4/28/2014 5:54:10 PM EDT
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the trane is a 16 seer vs 14 on the lennox
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Posted: 4/28/2014 5:56:17 PM EDT
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the trane is a 16 seer vs 14 on the lennox I noticed that. Is that a big deal? |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 6:10:50 PM EDT
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http://www.lennox.com/resources/energycalculator.asp
How accurate are these calculators? Only $140 savings from a 14-16 seer unit. |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 6:18:32 PM EDT
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I can only comment on Trane....they are freaking JUNK. We put a new one in our office building a little less than 4 years ago and the
company that sold it to us has been there every year twice a year to work on it.
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Posted: 4/29/2014 3:28:17 AM EDT
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I can only comment on Trane....they are freaking JUNK. We put a new one in our office building a little less than 4 years ago and thecompany that sold it to us has been there every year twice a year to work on it. I don't know the entire situation but a lot of the issues I find, with any brand out there, is poor instillation. If things like airflow, ventilation, intake, clean refrigeration practices, proper equipment sizing, proper refrigerant charging, gas pipe sizing, etc... Are not followed, it leads to multiple issues, service calls, and pissed off customers. It's not real common to have multiple issues with a new unit unless you have a larger common issue. I would strongly suggest hiring a different contractor and getting a second opinion on your system. It could be just a bad unit out of the box, but it is really really really rare. |
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Posted: 4/29/2014 3:30:28 AM EDT
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http://www.lennox.com/resources/energycalculator.asp How accurate are these calculators? Only $140 savings from a 14-16 seer unit. I have always found this calculator to be fairly accurate. http://www.hvacopcost.com |
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Posted: 4/29/2014 3:43:00 AM EDT
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Lennox is hard to get parts for around here. I am a service tech and I hate working on lennox.
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Posted: 4/29/2014 3:45:42 AM EDT
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Check your energy bills and invest in a Mitsubishi or Fujitsu ductless mini split heat pump. Do your due diligence.
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Posted: 4/29/2014 3:50:25 AM EDT
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is that two filters in addition to the one installed in the unit, or two filters total, one in the unit, and one spare.
"free" |
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