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Posted: 9/10/2013 12:51:42 PM EDT

I am noticing that here in the south and in louisiana especially that putting no guns allowed signs on your business is almost suicide for a business. How do I handle a business that tries to fine print their way around that. I walked into a business recently armed. No sign anywhere that I could readily see. As I was walking out I saw a standard sized piece of paper taped to either side of the door completely filled with 12 point font about various corporate policies. And in the bitumen third was a 2in diameter circle thin and red with the standard bar and revolver in the middle. Next to it . In 12 point font was "firearms prohibited in this facility"

Now how the fuck am I supposed to see that sign casually walking into the store. It did have a title header only about 20point font. You literally had to get into a normal desk reading distance to be able to properly read the sign.

I'm looking for more of a legal perspective here. I am part of the concealed means concealed crowd unless there are federal consequences, so I want to know. If I had been caught by a police officer in an establishment that had "posted" in the same manner as above and I had not yet seen the posting. In Louisiana would I be screwed. Would I be ok as long I as I genuinely had not seen the sign and left when asked. If detained and/or arrested could I sue said company for intentionally setting up a situation in which I could not win. (Civilian version of entrapment)

Forgot to mention that I am looking for louisiana specific here but other state policies are very welcome! Also, posting from phone so please pardon the grammar/spelling.

Posted: 9/10/2013 1:05:46 PM EDT

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Does your state have specifics about size of print for no weapons signs? For instance MN requires the letters be at least 2in high to be a legal sign, if they aren't legal size the sign is invalid and I ignore them. My old company did this made little tiny signs for the entrances that weren't legal prohibiting weapons. Amazingly enough when we started making parts for BCM, Daniel Defense, Vltor and other gun manufactures the signs disappeared, however they were still very anti 2a in the employee manual. I quit soon after as I could not deal with them being so anti 2a on other things as well, but if money is involved their principles collapse like a house of cards

Posted: 9/10/2013 1:06:36 PM EDT

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Around here, the signs don't create any legal requirement. But the business can ask you to leave, and if you don't it is trespassing.

Posted: 9/10/2013 1:19:53 PM EDT

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In Ohio I'm PRETTY sure that you have to KNOWINGLY violate the posted sign. That means you would have to have seen the sign and then continued in with your gun. Therefore, if a sign is so small and posted innocuously that a reasonable person would not have been able to notice it, then you should be good on your end if it ever gets to a court. Again, this is OH

Posted: 9/10/2013 1:22:05 PM EDT

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Louisiana reserves the owner/controlling entity of any to decide whether firearms are permitted. But there is no regulation on signs. This is what bothers me. What if the next time I don't see the sign. And maybe have a wet behind the ears cop looking for a bulge...

Posted: 9/10/2013 1:25:48 PM EDT

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Does your state have specifics about size of print for no weapons signs? For instance MN requires the letters be at least 2in high to be a legal sign, if they aren't legal size the sign is invalid and I ignore them. My old company did this made little tiny signs for the entrances that weren't legal prohibiting weapons. Amazingly enough when we started making parts for BCM, Daniel Defense, Vltor and other gun manufactures the signs disappeared, however they were still very anti 2a in the employee manual. I quit soon after as I could not deal with them being so anti 2a on other things as well, but if money is involved their principles collapse like a house of cards

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Louisiana has the most poorly written private property clause on the planet.

Yes, the property owner can prohibit your entrance with a sign. There are no requirements for the format or size of the sign.

In addition, you are supposed to notify the homeowner you are carrying if you enter a private residence and get permission.

Posted: 9/10/2013 1:27:41 PM EDT

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This is how Virginia is as well.

Posted: 9/10/2013 1:30:52 PM EDT

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Ignore it! Ain't nobody got time to read dat!

Posted: 9/10/2013 1:32:17 PM EDT

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This is how Virginia is as well.

Same in Florida. Sucks to be in states where it does, though.

Posted: 9/10/2013 1:40:39 PM EDT

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It looks like signs hold weight of law here. The problem still stands. If it is not seen....

Any lawyers have a take on it?

Posted: 9/10/2013 1:45:42 PM EDT

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Claim that you are a graduate of the New Orleans school system?

Posted: 9/10/2013 1:56:11 PM EDT

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Posted: 9/10/2013 1:58:27 PM EDT

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Texas has very specific sign requirements (verbiage, font size, color, etc...). The normal excuse sign says that unlicensed carry is considered criminal trespassing (licensed carry is good to go). Now when a business goes out of their way to create their own sign that is invalid - I will usually shop elsewhere. The criminal trespass sign is a valid State sign that most CHL's don't get their blood pressure up about, we all know that wink and nod.

Posted: 9/10/2013 2:28:40 PM EDT

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I live close to the NC line. I notice on the stores that prohibit guns have a legal law # attached to them.

The way I view that though is Id rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. And most importantly, concealed is concealed. But since it is illegal and the owner doesnt allow it, I simply take my business else where.

Posted: 9/10/2013 2:33:02 PM EDT

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Agreed if the business asks you to leave and you don't your trespassing. I am all for businesses rights though they should have the ability to ask you to leave, as the consumer you have the right to take your business elsewhere.

Well OP I guess it's time to open carry, and when the police show up you can get arrested, make a call the to the NRA and get this stuff on it's ways to the supreme court so they can make a ruling on legal sign requirements, in the mean time said business is going to get a lot of bad press, and probably have to take his anti 2A business to friendlier places like NYC, or Kommiefornistan.

Posted: 9/10/2013 2:34:15 PM EDT

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Claim that you are a graduate of the New Orleans school system?

He's got a point.

Posted: 9/11/2013 6:40:52 AM EDT

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It's my hometown. Last time I visited was for the Super Bowl party, and I was washing our clothes a couple of days later. At the back of the bar was a lit emergency exit sign over a deadbolted door. I grew up in the big Texas, and I can't live in my hometown.

Posted: 9/11/2013 7:01:57 AM EDT

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Do it be writted in cursive

Posted: 9/11/2013 7:16:53 AM EDT

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In Ms I believe that the sign has to be able to be read at 10',,,,, I have what is called an ''enhanced carry'' permit and carry anyway. Ms just passed an ''open carry'' law and has lots of folks spooked now and signs are starting to appear everywhere with ''no firearms allowed'' but lots say also ''CCW allowed''. I guess they just don't want anyone to open carry inside as it might frighten the chillens,,,,,,

Posted: 9/11/2013 7:36:21 AM EDT

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In SC there are strict guidelines around the sign size, placement, background and font size. If it doe snot meet that criteria it is not legal. They can get you for trespassing but if approached you just turn around and leave without speaking to them. Security Guards are not cops here and cannot detain.

I do not spend money with Anti 2A businesses if I can at all avoid it.

Posted: 9/11/2013 7:55:18 AM EDT

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In SC there are strict guidelines around the sign size, placement, background and font size. If it doe snot meet that criteria it is not legal. They can get you for trespassing but if approached you just turn around and leave without speaking to them. Security Guards are not cops here and cannot detain.

I do not spend money with Anti 2A businesses if I can at all avoid it.

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You might want to check your facts on that. In SC, if they are on the property that they are contracted to protect, they actually have the same detention/arrest powers as a deputy sheriff. It's scary that they have that power, but they have it nonetheless.

Posted: 9/11/2013 9:14:56 AM EDT

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sue and claim they are violating your 2nd ammd. rights is a long hard battle.

SO, If you wear glasses, sue saying they are discriminating against the "visually impaired" and sue under the ADA.

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