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Cops and Lawyers - What percent of criminals/clients are retarded?
1/30/2012 3:22:25 PM EDT
I read news articles each and every day about people being arrested for doing some very, very retarded shit.
I'm just wondering if your daily interactions are usually filled with such tards, or is it that only the tards make headlines?
I'm just wondering if your daily interactions are usually filled with such tards, or is it that only the tards make headlines?
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1/30/2012 3:29:10 PM EDT
Not retarded per se. My personal experience is most criminals stopped developing emotionally at about 3 or 4. They live life for the moment, think only of themselves, have no impulse control, can't control their emotions, throw temper tantrums when they don't get their way, can't think past the next 10 minutes, don't understand consequence, etc....... They are basically little children in adult bodies. Of course, most 3 or 4 year olds are better behaved than the average criminal, but you get the point.
1/30/2012 3:30:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By erik996:
Not retarded per se. My personal experience is most criminals stopped developing emotionally at about 3 or 4. They live life for the moment, think only of themselves, have no impulse control, can't control their emotions, throw temper tantrums when they don't get their way, can't think past the next 10 minutes, don't understand consequence, etc....... They are basically little children in adult bodies. Of course, most 3 or 4 year olds are better behaved than the average criminal, but you get the point.
Not retarded per se. My personal experience is most criminals stopped developing emotionally at about 3 or 4. They live life for the moment, think only of themselves, have no impulse control, can't control their emotions, throw temper tantrums when they don't get their way, can't think past the next 10 minutes, don't understand consequence, etc....... They are basically little children in adult bodies. Of course, most 3 or 4 year olds are better behaved than the average criminal, but you get the point.
My thoughts exactly.
1/30/2012 3:36:41 PM EDT
I found that better than 90% of them were functionally illiterate, so when they say reading is fundamental, they aren't kidding!
1/30/2012 3:40:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Wingman26:
I found that better than 90% of them were functionally illiterate, so when they say reading is fundamental, they aren't kidding!
I found that better than 90% of them were functionally illiterate, so when they say reading is fundamental, they aren't kidding!
Agreed. Most drop out of school or get kicked out at some point. In all seriousness, it's the classic vicious cycle.
Shithead parent has kid(s), doesn't parent them so kids do stupid shit, do dope, quit school, work dead end job, commit crime to get money. Then they knock some tweeker chick up and the cycle starts all over again.
1/30/2012 3:44:53 PM EDT
Most are retards, the others are the results of a few poor decisions that altered their life path for the worse
1/30/2012 3:45:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By erik996:
Not retarded per se. My personal experience is most criminals stopped developing emotionally at about 3 or 4. They live life for the moment, think only of themselves, have no impulse control, can't control their emotions, throw temper tantrums when they don't get their way, can't think past the next 10 minutes, don't understand consequence, etc....... They are basically little children in adult bodies. Of course, most 3 or 4 year olds are better behaved than the average criminal, but you get the point.
Not retarded per se. My personal experience is most criminals stopped developing emotionally at about 3 or 4. They live life for the moment, think only of themselves, have no impulse control, can't control their emotions, throw temper tantrums when they don't get their way, can't think past the next 10 minutes, don't understand consequence, etc....... They are basically little children in adult bodies. Of course, most 3 or 4 year olds are better behaved than the average criminal, but you get the point.
Sound like a couple of doctors that I know, I'm an aircraft mechanic
1/30/2012 3:57:49 PM EDT
With the advent of welfare, it became profitable to squirt out children.It relegated men to the status of semen injectors.
No men, no fathering.
down the spiral 40 odd years and we've got multiple generations of female children "raising" children.
The results aren't retarded, they are more like Comanches or Lakota, they have regressed several thousand years.
It is painful to watch good officers try to "reach" these kids. Watching with an unsympathetic eye, it is plain that most of these kids don't
even understand what the officers are talking about.
That's the brutal truth that no one wants to face.These kids aren't just lost-they are damned in our society.
IMO
No men, no fathering.
down the spiral 40 odd years and we've got multiple generations of female children "raising" children.
The results aren't retarded, they are more like Comanches or Lakota, they have regressed several thousand years.
It is painful to watch good officers try to "reach" these kids. Watching with an unsympathetic eye, it is plain that most of these kids don't
even understand what the officers are talking about.
That's the brutal truth that no one wants to face.These kids aren't just lost-they are damned in our society.
IMO
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1/30/2012 4:06:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By erik996:
Not retarded per se. My personal experience is most criminals stopped developing emotionally at about 3 or 4. They live life for the moment, think only of themselves, have no impulse control, can't control their emotions, throw temper tantrums when they don't get their way, can't think past the next 10 minutes, don't understand consequence, etc....... They are basically little children in adult bodies. Of course, most 3 or 4 year olds are better behaved than the average criminal, but you get the point.
Not retarded per se. My personal experience is most criminals stopped developing emotionally at about 3 or 4. They live life for the moment, think only of themselves, have no impulse control, can't control their emotions, throw temper tantrums when they don't get their way, can't think past the next 10 minutes, don't understand consequence, etc....... They are basically little children in adult bodies. Of course, most 3 or 4 year olds are better behaved than the average criminal, but you get the point.
This...could not have said it better.
1/30/2012 4:11:15 PM EDT
The vast majority.
Aside from contract drafting, real estate deals, estate planning, and the like; if you're going to a professional problem solver, it's probably becuase your shit ain't exactly in one sock.
Aside from contract drafting, real estate deals, estate planning, and the like; if you're going to a professional problem solver, it's probably becuase your shit ain't exactly in one sock.
1/30/2012 4:14:03 PM EDT
Calling most of them retarded should have the retard community up in arms.
1/30/2012 4:26:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By erik996:
Not retarded per se. My personal experience is most criminals stopped developing emotionally at about 3 or 4. They live life for the moment, think only of themselves, have no impulse control, can't control their emotions, throw temper tantrums when they don't get their way, can't think past the next 10 minutes, don't understand consequence, etc....... They are basically little children in adult bodies. Of course, most 3 or 4 year olds are better behaved than the average criminal, but you get the point.
Not retarded per se. My personal experience is most criminals stopped developing emotionally at about 3 or 4. They live life for the moment, think only of themselves, have no impulse control, can't control their emotions, throw temper tantrums when they don't get their way, can't think past the next 10 minutes, don't understand consequence, etc....... They are basically little children in adult bodies. Of course, most 3 or 4 year olds are better behaved than the average criminal, but you get the point.
Don't forget drugs and booze.
1/30/2012 5:03:23 PM EDT
Most I have encountered are not retarded, most actually far from it. Alot of the criminals I encounter are smart and creative. If they put their efforts into legitimate or legal practices, God only knows what kind of country/world we would be today. Then there are those that are frequent fliers because a lack of brain cells, foresight and luck.
Howver, I do see a trend where slow/mentally handicapped individuals are used as "mules" in the drug trade.
Howver, I do see a trend where slow/mentally handicapped individuals are used as "mules" in the drug trade.
1/30/2012 5:16:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By erik996:
Not retarded per se. My personal experience is most criminals stopped developing emotionally at about 3 or 4. They live life for the moment, think only of themselves, have no impulse control, can't control their emotions, throw temper tantrums when they don't get their way, can't think past the next 10 minutes, don't understand consequence, etc....... They are basically little children in adult bodies. Of course, most 3 or 4 year olds are better behaved than the average criminal, but you get the point.
Not retarded per se. My personal experience is most criminals stopped developing emotionally at about 3 or 4. They live life for the moment, think only of themselves, have no impulse control, can't control their emotions, throw temper tantrums when they don't get their way, can't think past the next 10 minutes, don't understand consequence, etc....... They are basically little children in adult bodies. Of course, most 3 or 4 year olds are better behaved than the average criminal, but you get the point.
Exactly. I would say that most criminals that I see are emotionally retarded in exactly the manner described above.
1/30/2012 5:25:22 PM EDT
Lots of stupid ones. Thats for sure
1/30/2012 5:35:12 PM EDT
Criminals, i.e. actual dealers, gangstahs, are pretty smart. Not educated, but very street smart. The stupid fucks are addicts, users, lifelong petty thiefs and sadly, all college students.
Don't confuse wannabe idiots with the real deal.
Don't confuse wannabe idiots with the real deal.
1/30/2012 5:37:54 PM EDT
It is their culture....a Culture of Failure....
Like everyone who is suprised the Iraqi's and Afghani's are not embracing freedom.....It's not in their culture to be free....
Sure, there are a few rare exceptions....but these "tards" you speak of have grown up, been raised in, and now embrace the failure.
Like everyone who is suprised the Iraqi's and Afghani's are not embracing freedom.....It's not in their culture to be free....
Sure, there are a few rare exceptions....but these "tards" you speak of have grown up, been raised in, and now embrace the failure.
1/30/2012 6:01:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Trempel:
Criminals, i.e. actual dealers, gangstahs, are pretty smart. Not educated, but very street smart. The stupid fucks are addicts, users, lifelong petty thiefs and sadly, all college students.
Don't confuse wannabe idiots with the real deal.
Criminals, i.e. actual dealers, gangstahs, are pretty smart. Not educated, but very street smart. The stupid fucks are addicts, users, lifelong petty thiefs and sadly, all college students.
Don't confuse wannabe idiots with the real deal.
1/30/2012 6:06:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Trempel:
Criminals, i.e. actual dealers, gangstahs, are pretty smart. Not educated, but very street smart. The stupid fucks are addicts, users, lifelong petty thiefs and sadly, all college students.
Don't confuse wannabe idiots with the real deal.
Criminals, i.e. actual dealers, gangstahs, are pretty smart. Not educated, but very street smart. The stupid fucks are addicts, users, lifelong petty thiefs and sadly, all college students.
Don't confuse wannabe idiots with the real deal.
The fuck are you talking about?
1/30/2012 6:12:22 PM EDT
In Arizona we have what we call Rule 11. Ie: Rule 11 of the Arizona Rules of Criminal Procedure governs the mental capabilities of the defendants.
The standard is pretty long, but basically a defendant must be mental fit enough to assist his attorney in his own defense. He must be able to recognize what the judge & attorneys do, what a plea offer is, etc.
If the defense attorney (and sometimes the prosecutor) feels that a defendant may be "Rule 11", they will ask the judge to have the defendant examined. This is a pre-screen done by a shrink. If he feels futher examination is necesarry, the state and the defense will both pick shrinks, one of which must also be an MD, to examine the defendant, his background, the case, etc. Both docs will file their findings with the court.
A defendant will either be found competant to stand trial, incompetant but restorable or incompetant and not restorable.
Competant means he can stand trial
Incompetant but restorable means that he will receive treatment until he can be tried.
Incompetant and not restorable means that charges cannot be held against him. He may be release, but usually he will be committed to some type of treatment facility.
Long answer is that I would guess less than 7% of defendants meet this standard. And of all the defendants we see, less than that are actually "mentally retarded".
The standard is pretty long, but basically a defendant must be mental fit enough to assist his attorney in his own defense. He must be able to recognize what the judge & attorneys do, what a plea offer is, etc.
If the defense attorney (and sometimes the prosecutor) feels that a defendant may be "Rule 11", they will ask the judge to have the defendant examined. This is a pre-screen done by a shrink. If he feels futher examination is necesarry, the state and the defense will both pick shrinks, one of which must also be an MD, to examine the defendant, his background, the case, etc. Both docs will file their findings with the court.
A defendant will either be found competant to stand trial, incompetant but restorable or incompetant and not restorable.
Competant means he can stand trial
Incompetant but restorable means that he will receive treatment until he can be tried.
Incompetant and not restorable means that charges cannot be held against him. He may be release, but usually he will be committed to some type of treatment facility.
Long answer is that I would guess less than 7% of defendants meet this standard. And of all the defendants we see, less than that are actually "mentally retarded".
1/30/2012 6:20:04 PM EDT
Mentally handicapped, not so many. Most end up in some kind of state program that monitors them and keeps them out of trouble. More often than not, if they are mentally handicapped, then they are the victim.
Emotionally handicapped, as stated above, are the majority of the criminals we deal with. Live for the moment, don't give a shit about anything but yourself, and take drugs and alcohol in vast quantities.
Emotionally handicapped, as stated above, are the majority of the criminals we deal with. Live for the moment, don't give a shit about anything but yourself, and take drugs and alcohol in vast quantities.
1/30/2012 6:25:57 PM EDT
Maybe cops only catch the dumb ones?
1/30/2012 6:29:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bakelite47:
Maybe cops only catch the dumb ones?
Maybe cops only catch the dumb ones?
No, the dumb ones are just easier to catch quickly.
1/30/2012 6:30:49 PM EDT
Sorry, when I said retarded I meant retarded as in 'dumb shit'
1/30/2012 6:31:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By poink:
I read news articles each and every day about people being arrested for doing some very, very retarded shit.
I'm just wondering if your daily interactions are usually filled with such tards, or is it that only the tards make headlines?
I read news articles each and every day about people being arrested for doing some very, very retarded shit.
I'm just wondering if your daily interactions are usually filled with such tards, or is it that only the tards make headlines?
I read news articles everyday about cops being arrested for retarded shit. There's "retarded" people in all walks of life.
1/30/2012 6:36:22 PM EDT
l.b.j.'s 'war on poverty'
Originally Posted By feudist:
With the advent of welfare, it became profitable to squirt out children.It relegated men to the status of semen injectors.
No men, no fathering.
down the spiral 40 odd years and we've got multiple generations of female children "raising" children.
The results aren't retarded, they are more like Comanches or Lakota, they have regressed several thousand years.
It is painful to watch good officers try to "reach" these kids. Watching with an unsympathetic eye, it is plain that most of these kids don't
even understand what the officers are talking about.
That's the brutal truth that no one wants to face.These kids aren't just lost-they are damned in our society.
IMO
With the advent of welfare, it became profitable to squirt out children.It relegated men to the status of semen injectors.
No men, no fathering.
down the spiral 40 odd years and we've got multiple generations of female children "raising" children.
The results aren't retarded, they are more like Comanches or Lakota, they have regressed several thousand years.
It is painful to watch good officers try to "reach" these kids. Watching with an unsympathetic eye, it is plain that most of these kids don't
even understand what the officers are talking about.
That's the brutal truth that no one wants to face.These kids aren't just lost-they are damned in our society.
IMO
1/30/2012 6:38:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By poink:
I read news articles each and every day about people being arrested for doing some very, very retarded shit.
I'm just wondering if your daily interactions are usually filled with such tards, or is it that only the tards make headlines?
I read news articles each and every day about people being arrested for doing some very, very retarded shit.
I'm just wondering if your daily interactions are usually filled with such tards, or is it that only the tards make headlines?
We also call that "felony stupid".
1/30/2012 6:38:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By erik996:
No, the dumb ones are just easier to catch quickly.
Originally Posted By Bakelite47:
Maybe cops only catch the dumb ones?
Maybe cops only catch the dumb ones?
No, the dumb ones are just easier to catch quickly.
No, he's right. The slow and the dumb get caught. The worst of the worst are caught more infrequently because they are clever.
1/30/2012 6:40:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By erik996:
No, the dumb ones are just easier to catch quickly.
Originally Posted By Bakelite47:
Maybe cops only catch the dumb ones?
Maybe cops only catch the dumb ones?
No, the dumb ones are just easier to catch quickly.
The smart ones go white collar and are eventually called "Congressman."
1/30/2012 6:42:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By poink:
Sorry, when I said retarded I meant retarded as in 'dumb shit'
Sorry, when I said retarded I meant retarded as in 'dumb shit'
I think some have very low IQ, but most just don't give a shit and will do anything to get high/drunk/whatever.
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