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Posted: 2/4/2011 9:13:02 AM EDT
Hello,

I'm getting very close to making the choice of Marine JAG. I'd be commissioned as a first lieutenant.

My question is, do you ever regret going the branch you did? I'm thinking Army or Marines right now. I can read all the bullshit the recruiter gives me, but in your experience, whats the real difference in day to day life (of a low level officer).

I don't plan on making a career of the service, i just want to give back for a few years then go into the private sector.

I understand the army v. marines has probably been beat to death as much as 9mm vs. .45acp, but im just looking for real world, day-to-day differences in base life & deployment life.
Link Posted: 2/4/2011 6:59:40 PM EDT
[#1]
Nope..... joined the right one the first time.... Coast Guard.   Can't tell you how many prior service members I've been stationed with over the years that wish they would have gone that route in the first place.
Link Posted: 2/4/2011 7:08:42 PM EDT
[#2]
I don't want to say I regret it, but if I was given a do-over, I would have done a couple things differently.

Would I have joined the USN again? Maybe, but probably not. Definitely not as a CT. That was cool, but the real world job applications for component level repair guys are few and far between.

I would have gone either more IT/networking stuff, or been a corpsman in the USN(and requested a deployment with a USMC unit) or a medic in the Army. Possibly MP.

Link Posted: 2/4/2011 7:09:00 PM EDT
[#3]
My choice of MOS? Perhaps, but no regrets about joining the Marine Corps.
Link Posted: 2/4/2011 11:17:47 PM EDT
[#4]
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My choice of MOS? Perhaps, but no regrets about joining the Marine Corps.


Never did understand how that worked in the Marines..... you just ask for one after boot and hope you get it? Maybe things have changed over the years. What MOS didi you have?
Link Posted: 2/4/2011 11:52:52 PM EDT
[#5]
actually my regret was NOT joining the marines.  dad offered to pay for college when i told him i was signing up.  i knew LE was where i was going to end up so both paths were good ones, but i think i missed out going the college route.
Link Posted: 2/5/2011 4:16:50 AM EDT
[#6]
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My choice of MOS? Perhaps, but no regrets about joining the Marine Corps.


Never did understand how that worked in the Marines..... you just ask for one after boot and hope you get it? Maybe things have changed over the years. What MOS didi you have?


I had a guaranteed billet (8152, Marine Security Forces Guard) when I enlisted. This required an MOS in the 0300 (Infantry) field. I ultimately ended up with 0311 (Rifleman). The most the Marine Corps will guarantee is a job field. You're assigned your actual MOS when you arrive at your MOS school. Otherwise you go in open contract and hope for the best. Your ASVAB scores will impact the possibilites to an extent, but if there's a dire need for cooks, you get to be a cook. It's best to go in with a guaranteed contract.

Link Posted: 2/6/2011 9:27:43 PM EDT
[#7]
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My choice of MOS? Perhaps, but no regrets about joining the Marine Corps.


Never did understand how that worked in the Marines..... you just ask for one after boot and hope you get it? Maybe things have changed over the years. What MOS didi you have?


I had a guaranteed billet (8152, Marine Security Forces Guard) when I enlisted. This required an MOS in the 0300 (Infantry) field. I ultimately ended up with 0311 (Rifleman). The most the Marine Corps will guarantee is a job field. You're assigned your actual MOS when you arrive at your MOS school. Otherwise you go in open contract and hope for the best. Your ASVAB scores will impact the possibilites to an extent, but if there's a dire need for cooks, you get to be a cook. It's best to go in with a guaranteed contract.



that sounds kinda fucked up actually. I hope i made the right decision i enlisted a week and a half ago Army 11 Xray
Link Posted: 2/6/2011 9:31:00 PM EDT
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My choice of MOS? Perhaps, but no regrets about joining the Marine Corps.


Never did understand how that worked in the Marines..... you just ask for one after boot and hope you get it? Maybe things have changed over the years. What MOS didi you have?


I had a guaranteed billet (8152, Marine Security Forces Guard) when I enlisted. This required an MOS in the 0300 (Infantry) field. I ultimately ended up with 0311 (Rifleman). The most the Marine Corps will guarantee is a job field. You're assigned your actual MOS when you arrive at your MOS school. Otherwise you go in open contract and hope for the best. Your ASVAB scores will impact the possibilites to an extent, but if there's a dire need for cooks, you get to be a cook. It's best to go in with a guaranteed contract.



that sounds kinda fucked up actually. I hope i made the right decision i enlisted a week and a half ago Army 11 Xray


I'm assuming you want to be an 11Bravo. So did I. Former 11Charlie here.

Mortars are the suck.
Link Posted: 2/7/2011 6:08:04 AM EDT
[#9]
To be honest no i dont have any regrets as an 11bravo. Wish i would have went active duty the guard is cool but active might have been better. Then again i am getting my degree and being home is a plus.  Overall no regrets i would do it again, I havent met to many service members who regret joining up.
Link Posted: 2/7/2011 9:51:28 AM EDT
[#10]
Another Michigander... Are you shooting for OCS 207 as well, or is JAG different?
Link Posted: 2/7/2011 12:46:51 PM EDT
[#11]
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My choice of MOS? Perhaps, but no regrets about joining the Marine Corps.


Never did understand how that worked in the Marines..... you just ask for one after boot and hope you get it? Maybe things have changed over the years. What MOS didi you have?


I had a guaranteed billet (8152, Marine Security Forces Guard) when I enlisted. This required an MOS in the 0300 (Infantry) field. I ultimately ended up with 0311 (Rifleman). The most the Marine Corps will guarantee is a job field. You're assigned your actual MOS when you arrive at your MOS school. Otherwise you go in open contract and hope for the best. Your ASVAB scores will impact the possibilites to an extent, but if there's a dire need for cooks, you get to be a cook. It's best to go in with a guaranteed contract.



that sounds kinda fucked up actually. I hope i made the right decision i enlisted a week and a half ago Army 11 Xray


I'm assuming you want to be an 11Bravo. So did I. Former 11Charlie here.

Mortars are the suck.


so i hear , i definitely want 11bravo

Link Posted: 2/7/2011 12:50:14 PM EDT
[#12]
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I had a guaranteed billet (8152, Marine Security Forces Guard) when I enlisted. This required an MOS in the 0300 (Infantry) field. I ultimately ended up with 0311 (Rifleman). The most the Marine Corps will guarantee is a job field. You're assigned your actual MOS when you arrive at your MOS school. Otherwise you go in open contract and hope for the best. Your ASVAB scores will impact the possibilites to an extent, but if there's a dire need for cooks, you get to be a cook. It's best to go in with a guaranteed contract.



This is what kept me out of the USMC.
Link Posted: 2/7/2011 3:16:16 PM EDT
[#13]
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I had a guaranteed billet (8152, Marine Security Forces Guard) when I enlisted. This required an MOS in the 0300 (Infantry) field. I ultimately ended up with 0311 (Rifleman). The most the Marine Corps will guarantee is a job field. You're assigned your actual MOS when you arrive at your MOS school. Otherwise you go in open contract and hope for the best. Your ASVAB scores will impact the possibilities to an extent, but if there's a dire need for cooks, you get to be a cook. It's best to go in with a guaranteed contract.



This is what kept me out of the USMC.


What? You couldn't score high enough to get a guaranteed contract?

Link Posted: 2/7/2011 6:54:17 PM EDT
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I had a guaranteed billet (8152, Marine Security Forces Guard) when I enlisted. This required an MOS in the 0300 (Infantry) field. I ultimately ended up with 0311 (Rifleman). The most the Marine Corps will guarantee is a job field. You're assigned your actual MOS when you arrive at your MOS school. Otherwise you go in open contract and hope for the best. Your ASVAB scores will impact the possibilities to an extent, but if there's a dire need for cooks, you get to be a cook. It's best to go in with a guaranteed contract.



This is what kept me out of the USMC.


What? You couldn't score high enough to get a guaranteed contract?



I don't think the Marines guaranteed for anybody in 1988.  I got an 18 month school and E-4 in the USN.
Link Posted: 2/7/2011 6:58:20 PM EDT
[#15]
My only regret is advancing too fast I made E6 when I was in the best condition and ready for EOD school. No more E6s at EOD school 6 months before I made it
Link Posted: 2/7/2011 7:14:39 PM EDT
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I had a guaranteed billet (8152, Marine Security Forces Guard) when I enlisted. This required an MOS in the 0300 (Infantry) field. I ultimately ended up with 0311 (Rifleman). The most the Marine Corps will guarantee is a job field. You're assigned your actual MOS when you arrive at your MOS school. Otherwise you go in open contract and hope for the best. Your ASVAB scores will impact the possibilities to an extent, but if there's a dire need for cooks, you get to be a cook. It's best to go in with a guaranteed contract.



This is what kept me out of the USMC.


What? You couldn't score high enough to get a guaranteed contract?



I don't think the Marines guaranteed for anybody in 1988.  I got an 18 month school and E-4 in the USN.


Huh. Interesting if true.
Link Posted: 2/7/2011 7:39:51 PM EDT
[#17]
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Huh. Interesting if true.


Link Posted: 2/7/2011 7:51:11 PM EDT
[#18]
10 years later.......

No regrets joining the Marine Corps.  

No regrets with my MOS.

I don't even regret recruiting duty.  Now that it's over!  Fuck that shit!  HA!



OCS is no joke I hear.  What's your PFT score?
Link Posted: 2/8/2011 12:07:49 PM EDT
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Huh. Interesting if true.




What?

You typed "I don't think...," not "I know..."



Link Posted: 2/8/2011 5:57:53 PM EDT
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Huh. Interesting if true.




What?

You typed "I don't think...," not "I know..."





OK, I was a bit sleepy, that one zinged right by me.  
Link Posted: 2/8/2011 6:25:06 PM EDT
[#21]
No worries.
Link Posted: 2/9/2011 8:35:35 AM EDT
[#22]
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Another Michigander... Are you shooting for OCS 207 as well, or is JAG different?


I dont know what OCS, but i know JAG goes through OCS with the rest of the potential officers, ground, aviation, etc.

As far as PFT? Assuming that is the physical score aspect (im very new to this language) my only issue right now is running, in a month or so it shouldnt be an issue. Law school doesnt provide much exercise time
Link Posted: 2/9/2011 9:46:46 AM EDT
[#23]
To be competitive for Marine OCS, you'll want to be doing at least 20 dead hang pull ups, 100 crunches in 2 minutes and less than a 22 minute 3  mile.
Link Posted: 2/9/2011 5:20:12 PM EDT
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To be competitive for Marine OCS, you'll want to be doing at least 20 dead hang pull ups, 100 crunches in 2 minutes and less than a 22 minute 3  mile.


I thought you max out at 20 pullups and 100 crunches, as in 20+ earns you 0 more points. Correct?

The pullups i max or get close to maxing, crunches are an easy max, but its been so Fu*king cold i cant run and the mother F***ing track team whores the Jenison field house so my only options are to run in the wild AMs. Oh yeah, and i've got a little thing called the first year of law school to do on the side.
Link Posted: 2/9/2011 6:03:53 PM EDT
[#25]
True, no more points after 20.  But if you can do more, you save a lot of energy for other stuff.  

Also make sure that the arms are fully locked out each time.  You'd be surprised at how many pull ups don't count on PFT day.
Link Posted: 2/9/2011 6:13:27 PM EDT
[#26]



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I had a guaranteed billet (8152, Marine Security Forces Guard) when I enlisted. This required an MOS in the 0300 (Infantry) field. I ultimately ended up with 0311 (Rifleman). The most the Marine Corps will guarantee is a job field. You're assigned your actual MOS when you arrive at your MOS school. Otherwise you go in open contract and hope for the best. Your ASVAB scores will impact the possibilities to an extent, but if there's a dire need for cooks, you get to be a cook. It's best to go in with a guaranteed contract.







This is what kept me out of the USMC.




What? You couldn't score high enough to get a guaranteed contract?







I don't think the Marines guaranteed for anybody in 1988.  I got an 18 month school and E-4 in the USN.


I guaranteed myself 0311 (like I wanted)

 



went in 03 and made sure to fail the tests just enough that they thought I was too dumb to be a 31/41/51






Link Posted: 2/9/2011 6:39:38 PM EDT
[#27]
I do not regret joining the Army.  It was a very good experience for me.  However, if I'd have to do it over again, I'd go Coast Guard.  I never knew what the USCG did until my son joined.  Now that I see what they do, I just may have made the USCG a career.  I didn't realize they went all over the world.  I didn't know they do a lot of drug interdiction.  I didn't know their mission, even in times of peace was "the real thing".  I also noticed the USCG treats their people a lot better than the Army treated their people.  

In other words: Regret? No.  If I'd have to do it over again would I do it different?  Yes.
Link Posted: 2/10/2011 6:15:47 AM EDT
[#28]
USNR currently, did 8 years active. 9402 Primary NEC, thats a Naval Aircrewman inflight technician, fancy talk for a flying electronics repair guy/crew cheif. Loved it, still do it in the Reserves and am grateful I had the opportunity to serve my country. I have no real regrets and could talk all day about why it is a great job.

I might have tried the Army Warrant Program if I'd known about it but Hell I'm still young and may give it a shot in a few years.
Link Posted: 2/10/2011 3:02:47 PM EDT
[#29]
OK, wasnt going to jump on this band wagon, but.....

I  never practice regret, education and research is key. My Post name says it all, 20 years ago I went to all the 5 recruiters and the Army was it for me.

The Army may be worse than another in some areas and better in others, but the Army is the best centermass.  

ANY choice and branch is what you make it.

AT least those on this post CHOSE to serve , THANKS !
Link Posted: 2/10/2011 3:09:05 PM EDT
[#30]
Nope.



I only regret not making the Army a career.
Link Posted: 2/21/2011 7:15:11 AM EDT
[#31]
Marines. I don't regret it.
But if I went back in, I'd go Navy or AF just for a different experience.
Link Posted: 2/22/2011 9:19:09 AM EDT
[#32]
Thanks for the replies everyone,

Signing away 4 years of your life requires all possible due diligence.

I'm curious to hear my dad's reaction. "Hey, I know I've gone to school for 7 years, but I've decided F all that, I'm going Marines."
Link Posted: 2/22/2011 12:11:49 PM EDT
[#33]
Infantry. It was good - picking up cigarette butts, standing in line forever, shooting people, etc - but I got out at the right time. The wars are starting to wind down, Iraq is long since over, the budget cuts are on the horizon; but there's still time to visit Afghanistan.
If you want to join, might as well go combat arms. It defeats the purpose of a short tour, otherwise, and the military doesn't have a shortage of paper scribblers.
Link Posted: 2/28/2011 7:26:09 PM EDT
[#34]
I joined the Army in 1992 and was 11H I don't regret the Army but actually wish I had looked at some of the other career fields. I walked into the recruiters office and said I am ready to join but will only go combat arms.
Link Posted: 3/1/2011 3:37:16 AM EDT
[#35]
Army JAG Corps is the best JAG Corps.
Link Posted: 3/4/2011 7:22:11 PM EDT
[#36]
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Army JAG Corps is the best JAG Corps.


1. What makes you say that?

2.From my point of view, this is how i see things: The army has a 65k signing bonus and the Marines signing bonus is a high five . The reason im leaning Marines is because as a Marine your an unrestricted ground officer, meaning on deployments (so im told) if you fight for it you can go on missions. I would feel as if im "half assing" the military thing if i at least didnt do a few run and gun missions.

From my understanding if your an Army officer and go JAG, you resign your Officer commission and adopt a "JAG officer" commission, meaning your JAG and only JAG. I dont see myself going on missions if I go army JAG. Any accuracy to this?

Thanks!
Link Posted: 3/5/2011 2:25:53 AM EDT
[#37]
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Army JAG Corps is the best JAG Corps.


1. What makes you say that?

2.From my point of view, this is how i see things: The army has a 65k signing bonus and the Marines signing bonus is a high five . The reason im leaning Marines is because as a Marine your an unrestricted ground officer, meaning on deployments (so im told) if you fight for it you can go on missions. I would feel as if im "half assing" the military thing if i at least didnt do a few run and gun missions.

From my understanding if your an Army officer and go JAG, you resign your Officer commission and adopt a "JAG officer" commission, meaning your JAG and only JAG. I dont see myself going on missions if I go army JAG. Any accuracy to this?

Thanks!


1.  Because I am in the Army JAG Corps - just a good little inter-service rivalry!

2.  I think there is something to how the USMC handles it's JAs - since they go through OCS and TBS they can legitimately tell the Commanders they serve that that they have had similar experiences.  My original commission, my service as a Company Commander in combat, my service as an enlisted man, all add credibility to my ability to advise Soldiers.  Additionally I do believe the USMC, becuase of the way commission their JA's, they can hold command or other billets.  And it does happen.  But that is the exception.

I did not resign shit when I was commissioned in the Regiment - JA's go on missions as required - Military Justice guys doing preparing cases; Claims guys paying claims; if the mission requires a JA then the JA will go.

USA, USN, USMC, USAF - you won't run and gun on missions.  That's not why you were brought into the military - you were brought in for your special staff skill, a commander is going to be pissed if he loses his JA to stupid shit.  If you want to "run and gun" join as Infantry and then apply to JAG Corps later - I had three guys in my Judge Advocate Basic Course who had enlisted as 11B after law school and did at least one tour overseas before applying to JAG Corps.
Link Posted: 3/5/2011 2:50:55 AM EDT
[#38]
I dont regret the Army one bit, I do regret spending 12 years in aviation instead of something more to my interests.  I always wanted to be a cav scout or infantryman, due to re-up before January.
Link Posted: 3/6/2011 4:42:14 AM EDT
[#39]
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Army JAG Corps is the best JAG Corps.


1. What makes you say that?

2.From my point of view, this is how i see things: The army has a 65k signing bonus and the Marines signing bonus is a high five . The reason im leaning Marines is because as a Marine your an unrestricted ground officer, meaning on deployments (so im told) if you fight for it you can go on missions. I would feel as if im "half assing" the military thing if i at least didnt do a few run and gun missions.

From my understanding if your an Army officer and go JAG, you resign your Officer commission and adopt a "JAG officer" commission, meaning your JAG and only JAG. I dont see myself going on missions if I go army JAG. Any accuracy to this?

Thanks!


1.  Because I am in the Army JAG Corps - just a good little inter-service rivalry!

2.  I think there is something to how the USMC handles it's JAs - since they go through OCS and TBS they can legitimately tell the Commanders they serve that that they have had similar experiences.  My original commission, my service as a Company Commander in combat, my service as an enlisted man, all add credibility to my ability to advise Soldiers.  Additionally I do believe the USMC, becuase of the way commission their JA's, they can hold command or other billets.  And it does happen.  But that is the exception.

I did not resign shit when I was commissioned in the Regiment - JA's go on missions as required - Military Justice guys doing preparing cases; Claims guys paying claims; if the mission requires a JA then the JA will go.

USA, USN, USMC, USAF - you won't run and gun on missions.  That's not why you were brought into the military - you were brought in for your special staff skill, a commander is going to be pissed if he loses his JA to stupid shit.  If you want to "run and gun" join as Infantry and then apply to JAG Corps later - I had three guys in my Judge Advocate Basic Course who had enlisted as 11B after law school and did at least one tour overseas before applying to JAG Corps.


If you think the USMC is going to let a JAG officer out of the wire  you are high as a kite.
Link Posted: 5/16/2011 11:28:50 AM EDT
[#40]
I don't necessarily regret joining the USAF but would like to have the experience of people my age with Army or Marine backgrounds.

On the other hand, I regret choosing my AFSC (3P0X1/Security Forces).  It was great as an Airman but I'm tired of the mickey mouse bullshit now.  I wish I had chosen a career field that would have allowed me to make a living with my brain instead of my back and would give me a marketable job skill on the outside.
Link Posted: 5/16/2011 2:17:44 PM EDT
[#41]
not really, sometimes i wish id have chosen a different job but then i remember i hate pulling security. i love the army and i hate the army but i wouldnt have chosen a different branch.
Link Posted: 5/16/2011 3:01:14 PM EDT
[#42]
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Army JAG Corps is the best JAG Corps.


1. What makes you say that?

2.From my point of view, this is how i see things: The army has a 65k signing bonus and the Marines signing bonus is a high five . The reason im leaning Marines is because as a Marine your an unrestricted ground officer, meaning on deployments (so im told) if you fight for it you can go on missions. I would feel as if im "half assing" the military thing if i at least didnt do a few run and gun missions.

From my understanding if your an Army officer and go JAG, you resign your Officer commission and adopt a "JAG officer" commission, meaning your JAG and only JAG. I dont see myself going on missions if I go army JAG. Any accuracy to this?

Thanks!


1.  Because I am in the Army JAG Corps - just a good little inter-service rivalry!

2.  I think there is something to how the USMC handles it's JAs - since they go through OCS and TBS they can legitimately tell the Commanders they serve that that they have had similar experiences.  My original commission, my service as a Company Commander in combat, my service as an enlisted man, all add credibility to my ability to advise Soldiers.  Additionally I do believe the USMC, becuase of the way commission their JA's, they can hold command or other billets.  And it does happen.  But that is the exception.

I did not resign shit when I was commissioned in the Regiment - JA's go on missions as required - Military Justice guys doing preparing cases; Claims guys paying claims; if the mission requires a JA then the JA will go.

USA, USN, USMC, USAF - you won't run and gun on missions.  That's not why you were brought into the military - you were brought in for your special staff skill, a commander is going to be pissed if he loses his JA to stupid shit.  If you want to "run and gun" join as Infantry and then apply to JAG Corps later - I had three guys in my Judge Advocate Basic Course who had enlisted as 11B after law school and did at least one tour overseas before applying to JAG Corps.


If you think the USMC is going to let a JAG officer out of the wire  you are high as a kite.


I think he's read Jungle Rules too much.
Link Posted: 5/18/2011 12:48:26 AM EDT
[#43]
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Army JAG Corps is the best JAG Corps.


1. What makes you say that?

2.From my point of view, this is how i see things: The army has a 65k signing bonus and the Marines signing bonus is a high five . The reason im leaning Marines is because as a Marine your an unrestricted ground officer, meaning on deployments (so im told) if you fight for it you can go on missions. I would feel as if im "half assing" the military thing if i at least didnt do a few run and gun missions.

From my understanding if your an Army officer and go JAG, you resign your Officer commission and adopt a "JAG officer" commission, meaning your JAG and only JAG. I dont see myself going on missions if I go army JAG. Any accuracy to this?

Thanks!


1.  Because I am in the Army JAG Corps - just a good little inter-service rivalry!

2.  I think there is something to how the USMC handles it's JAs - since they go through OCS and TBS they can legitimately tell the Commanders they serve that that they have had similar experiences.  My original commission, my service as a Company Commander in combat, my service as an enlisted man, all add credibility to my ability to advise Soldiers.  Additionally I do believe the USMC, becuase of the way commission their JA's, they can hold command or other billets.  And it does happen.  But that is the exception.

I did not resign shit when I was commissioned in the Regiment - JA's go on missions as required - Military Justice guys doing preparing cases; Claims guys paying claims; if the mission requires a JA then the JA will go.

USA, USN, USMC, USAF - you won't run and gun on missions.  That's not why you were brought into the military - you were brought in for your special staff skill, a commander is going to be pissed if he loses his JA to stupid shit.  If you want to "run and gun" join as Infantry and then apply to JAG Corps later - I had three guys in my Judge Advocate Basic Course who had enlisted as 11B after law school and did at least one tour overseas before applying to JAG Corps.


If you think the USMC is going to let a JAG officer out of the wire  you are high as a kite.


Tell Col Urus that, he currently works in HQMC JA and got his purple heart from being in an ambush in Iraq.  Normally the Battalion JAG goes everywhere the commander goes.
Link Posted: 5/18/2011 2:04:49 AM EDT
[#44]
Only regret is ETS-ing in 1986. Should have stayed in.
Link Posted: 6/4/2011 7:43:29 PM EDT
[#45]
I don't regret going in the Marines for one second.  Some days I miss it, most I don't.  It honestly made me who I am today.

I made some life long friends, worked with great people, and went places and did things I'd never get to do otherwise.
Link Posted: 6/29/2011 8:27:11 AM EDT
[#46]
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Army JAG Corps is the best JAG Corps.


1. What makes you say that?

2.From my point of view, this is how i see things: The army has a 65k signing bonus and the Marines signing bonus is a high five . The reason im leaning Marines is because as a Marine your an unrestricted ground officer, meaning on deployments (so im told) if you fight for it you can go on missions. I would feel as if im "half assing" the military thing if i at least didnt do a few run and gun missions.

From my understanding if your an Army officer and go JAG, you resign your Officer commission and adopt a "JAG officer" commission, meaning your JAG and only JAG. I dont see myself going on missions if I go army JAG. Any accuracy to this?

Thanks!


1.  Because I am in the Army JAG Corps - just a good little inter-service rivalry!

2.  I think there is something to how the USMC handles it's JAs - since they go through OCS and TBS they can legitimately tell the Commanders they serve that that they have had similar experiences.  My original commission, my service as a Company Commander in combat, my service as an enlisted man, all add credibility to my ability to advise Soldiers.  Additionally I do believe the USMC, becuase of the way commission their JA's, they can hold command or other billets.  And it does happen.  But that is the exception.

I did not resign shit when I was commissioned in the Regiment - JA's go on missions as required - Military Justice guys doing preparing cases; Claims guys paying claims; if the mission requires a JA then the JA will go.

USA, USN, USMC, USAF - you won't run and gun on missions.  That's not why you were brought into the military - you were brought in for your special staff skill, a commander is going to be pissed if he loses his JA to stupid shit.  If you want to "run and gun" join as Infantry and then apply to JAG Corps later - I had three guys in my Judge Advocate Basic Course who had enlisted as 11B after law school and did at least one tour overseas before applying to JAG Corps.


If you think the USMC is going to let a JAG officer out of the wire  you are high as a kite.


Tell Col Urus that, he currently works in HQMC JA and got his purple heart from being in an ambush in Iraq.  Normally the Battalion JAG goes everywhere the commander goes.


Just read a story of another USMC SJA getting a purple heart.

I dont understand though, your an unrestricted line officer assigned to a group of Marines, why can't you go do what Marines do with your fellow cohorts? Dont get me wrong, after a few trips outside the wire I'm sure I'll get my fill real quick, but going overseas without firing your rifle at the people who make a habit of mortaring you would suck.

If all JAGs get treated so softly why not just go AF JAG and get all the nice amenities that go with the AF?
Link Posted: 6/29/2011 2:34:31 PM EDT
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Nothing restricts you from doing it, but you have other jobs to do that take priority over leading people in combat.  

JAGs are special staff officers, who are there to provide legal advise not primary to fight.
Link Posted: 7/3/2011 8:44:15 PM EDT
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Nope.

I only regret not making the Army a career.


Link Posted: 7/3/2011 8:44:46 PM EDT
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Nope.

I only regret not making the Army a career.


i wish i would of been a MWD handler!
Link Posted: 7/22/2011 5:17:56 AM EDT
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I had a guaranteed billet (8152, Marine Security Forces Guard) when I enlisted. This required an MOS in the 0300 (Infantry) field. I ultimately ended up with 0311 (Rifleman). The most the Marine Corps will guarantee is a job field. You're assigned your actual MOS when you arrive at your MOS school. Otherwise you go in open contract and hope for the best. Your ASVAB scores will impact the possibilities to an extent, but if there's a dire need for cooks, you get to be a cook. It's best to go in with a guaranteed contract.



This is what kept me out of the USMC.


What? You couldn't score high enough to get a guaranteed contract?



I don't think the Marines guaranteed for anybody in 1988.  I got an 18 month school and E-4 in the USN.


Actually, we did.  I joined in Nov 1986, got my guaranteed Occ Field.  There was a program back then called the Quality Enlistment Program, which a version of it is still around, that gave you not only your Occ Field, but choice of duty station, automatic Pfc upon graduation from MCRD and LCpl 6 months after in return for a 6 year active committment.  I missed the cut off by four months to take advantage of the prior version of the QEP that guaranteed Cpl at 24 months Time In Service.  Probably a good thing too, there was lots of bitterness over the "Contract Corporals."  This was at a time when it was not uncommon to be a LCpl with a hashmark or even two and NOT be shit-bird.

I almost left in 1999 to go Army SF.  In a way I regret not doing so because I've been doing the same job as them for lesser pay ever since and haven't been equipped nearly as well.  
But I WAS spared having to spend the rest of my career at lovely Ft Bragg.
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