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Posted: 10/31/2023 6:49:45 PM EDT
I have a model 22 mk2.  I've had no luck finding a production year for it.  Anyone a model 1922 guru?
Link Posted: 10/31/2023 7:14:54 PM EDT
[#1]
Is this the one?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Model_1922
Link Posted: 10/31/2023 7:53:48 PM EDT
[#2]
It is
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 9:18:12 AM EDT
[#3]
Post some pictures with full serial number visible, plus barrel date and it can narrow it down. Also any stock markings as well.

There were two types generally

Mark I converted to mark II which will have M II as the marking ( originally made as a MK I then converted to II - often but not always, the barrel date will likely provide time period of conversion from 1 to 2 + most I have seen have been in the late 1930’s)

Guns originally built as mark 2 which will be marked M2 ( late 30’s to production halt in early WWII ( 1942 iirc)

Rimfire central forums have a “military trainer” section with boat loads of info on these
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 10:51:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: VanHalen1985] [#4]
13009b is the serial number.  Barrel is dated 2-42. I've never had luck posting pictures on here.  Urg... It does have the mk2 designation.   Any idea on what year it was produced based on serial number?  Guessing the barrel was installed at a later time.    If you send me your email I will send pics. Thanks Brian
Link Posted: 11/9/2023 1:04:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DakotaFAL] [#5]
The Model 1922 was an attempt to improve on the really horrible 1903 gallery rifle and it did that very well.  

The Model 1922 was sold from 1922-1924.

The design was modified and became the Model 1922M1 in 1926, with both a military issue version with a Type C sporter stock and a civilian version with an NRA stock.  The civilian model also came drilled and tapped for scope blocks on the receiver and 7.2” farther forward on the barrel.

Older M1922s returned to the armory for repair were updated to M1 standard and then stamped with an added “M1”. Consequently you can find Model 1922 M1s with both original and added M1 stamps.

In 1932 the M2 was introduced with a new bolt design, two bolt designs actually.  The first 4800 did not have adjustable headspace while the balance of the 20,000 or so M2s produced had an adjustable head space feature.  Early M2 rifles brought in for rebuild were updated with the later head space adjustable bolt.  All the M2s had a redesigned trigger guard and magazine release and a stock with less drop at the heel and a deeply checkered National match butt plate.

Again, when older rifles were brought in for service at the armory, the rifles were updated to M2 standard.  New build M2s were stamped “U.S. Springfield Armory, Cal .22, M2”. Older Model 1922 rifles had an “M2” added to the receiver and an “A” added to the serial number as all three series started over with the same serial numbers. Older Model 1922M1 rifles had an additional 1 added to the receiver and a “B” was added to the serial number. However there are also updated M1s out there with the 1 over struck with a 2.

The serial number ranges started over with each new series. This means that to be uniquely identified a Model 1922 has to be identified with the  “1922”, “1922M1” or “1922 M2” model, along with the serial number (and whether it’s a re stamped M1 or a “M11” or over stuck stamped M2 doesn’t matter given the added A or B).  But it does mean the serial number listed by the FFL is not entirely correct, unless the Model is completely noted, much like P.08 Lugers and Walther P.38 pistols are not uniquely identifiable without the manufacture code and the year.

The very unpopular 1903 gallery rifles were also reworked as 1922, 1922M1 or 1922M2 rifles when they came back to the armory for repair, and they are in the normal 1903  serial range (normally in 1903-1904) just to add some more confusion.

The 1922M2 rifles were produced into early 1942 with parts continuing to be produced until December 1942.   Post war, reworked rifles of any of the series will have 1942 dated barrels.

My early M2 is marked as an original M2 serial number 1747 made in 1933. It was however arsenal rebuilt at some point with the updated bolt and a 7-1942 barrel. Its greenish parkerized finish is also an indicator of an arsenal rework as the original builds were done with a black dyed parkerized finish.  Mine also has a 1922M1 “C” type issue stock, although refitted for the M2 trigger guard and magazine arrangement.  I suspect that was done using left over 1922M1 stocks.  

With roughly 40,000 of all types made (with a bit over 11,000 of them M2s), and roughly 10,000 of the 40,000 total arsenal destroyed, they are not rare, but they are uncommon.





Link Posted: 11/9/2023 1:14:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DakotaFAL] [#6]
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Originally Posted By VanHalen1985:
13009b is the serial number.  Barrel is dated 2-42. I've never had luck posting pictures on here.  Urg... It does have the mk2 designation.   Any idea on what year it was produced based on serial number?  Guessing the barrel was installed at a later time.    If you send me your email I will send pics. Thanks Brian
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The 13,009b serial number makes it a mid production 1922M1 that was updated to an M2.  Yours may have been made around 1930 maybe?

There were only around 2000 1922 rifles produced 1922-24.  There were around 20,000 1922M1 rifles made from 1926-1932. There were around 20,000 M2s made from 1932-1942 and most of the earlier M1s were converted to M2 status.

It’s estimated about 95% of the 1922M1 rifles in military hands were returned and updated.  If a 1922M1 is not updated it was most likely a civilian owned rifle.

Yours could have been updated pre war.  It could have also been updated in early 1942.  Or it could have been updated post war. At some point however it received the new barrel produced in 2-42.

Link Posted: 1/15/2024 10:51:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DakotaFAL:
The Model 1922 was an attempt to improve on the really horrible 1903 gallery rifle and it did that very well.  

The Model 1922 was sold from 1922-1924.

The design was modified and became the Model 1922M1 in 1926, with both a military issue version with a Type C sporter stock and a civilian version with an NRA stock.  The civilian model also came drilled and tapped for scope blocks on the receiver and 7.2” farther forward on the barrel.

Older M1922s returned to the armory for repair were updated to M1 standard and then stamped with an added “M1”. Consequently you can find Model 1922 M1s with both original and added M1 stamps.

In 1932 the M2 was introduced with a new bolt design, two bolt designs actually.  The first 4800 did not have adjustable headspace while the balance of the 20,000 or so M2s produced had an adjustable head space feature.  Early M2 rifles brought in for rebuild were updated with the later head space adjustable bolt.  All the M2s had a redesigned trigger guard and magazine release and a stock with less drop at the heel and a deeply checkered National match butt plate.

Again, when older rifles were brought in for service at the armory, the rifles were updated to M2 standard.  New build M2s were stamped “U.S. Springfield Armory, Cal .22, M2”. Older Model 1922 rifles had an “M2” added to the receiver and an “A” added to the serial number as all three series started over with the same serial numbers. Older Model 1922M1 rifles had an additional 1 added to the receiver and a “B” was added to the serial number. However there are also updated M1s out there with the 1 over struck with a 2.

The serial number ranges started over with each new series. This means that to be uniquely identified a Model 1922 has to be identified with the  “1922”, “1922M1” or “1922 M2” model, along with the serial number (and whether it’s a re stamped M1 or a “M11” or over stuck stamped M2 doesn’t matter given the added A or B).  But it does mean the serial number listed by the FFL is not entirely correct, unless the Model is completely noted, much like P.08 Lugers and Walther P.38 pistols are not uniquely identifiable without the manufacture code and the year.

The very unpopular 1903 gallery rifles were also reworked as 1922, 1922M1 or 1922M2 rifles when they came back to the armory for repair, and they are in the normal 1903  serial range (normally in 1903-1904) just to add some more confusion.

The 1922M2 rifles were produced into early 1942 with parts continuing to be produced until December 1942.   Post war, reworked rifles of any of the series will have 1942 dated barrels.

My early M2 is marked as an original M2 serial number 1747 made in 1933. It was however arsenal rebuilt at some point with the updated bolt and a 7-1942 barrel. Its greenish parkerized finish is also an indicator of an arsenal rework as the original builds were done with a black dyed parkerized finish.  Mine also has a 1922M1 “C” type issue stock, although refitted for the M2 trigger guard and magazine arrangement.  I suspect that was done using left over 1922M1 stocks.  

With roughly 40,000 of all types made (with a bit over 11,000 of them M2s), and roughly 10,000 of the 40,000 total arsenal destroyed, they are not rare, but they are uncommon.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/h470/SDBB57/132737416_1829747247184175_4564970445030609284_n.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/h470/SDBB57/132515435_1829747163850850_6630377920541780920_n.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds

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What a nice looking rifle
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