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Sunday Hunting 2014
Burley  [Team Member]
One bill already filed.

SB154

Hunting on Sundays. Allows hunting on Sundays under certain circumstances. A person may hunt waterfowl, subject to restrictions imposed by the Director of the Department of Game and Inland Fisheries, and a landowner and his immediate family or a person with written permission may hunt or kill any wild bird or wild animal, including nuisance species, if they hunt on the landowner's property. However, the aforementioned hunting activities cannot occur within 200 yards of a house of worship. The bill prohibits the hunting of deer with dogs on Sunday.

Full text:
12/31/13 Senate: Prefiled and ordered printed; offered 01/08/14 14100954D pdf

Status:
12/31/13 Senate: Prefiled and ordered printed; offered 01/08/14 14100954D
12/31/13 Senate: Referred to Committee on Agriculture, Conservation and Natural Resources


Will probably pass the Senate, be referred to Lee Ware's dirty committee and be passed by indefinitely.
AppealPlay  [Member]
Unfortunately, you'll probably be right. As much as we all would love to see Sunday hunting, it seems highly unlikely given the proposal's fate in recent GA sessions.
ridinshotgun  [Team Member]
Originally Posted By AppealPlay:
Unfortunately, you'll probably right. As much as we all would love to see Sunday hunting, it seems highly unlikely given the proposal's fate in recent GA sessions.


Yeah the biggest groups you can thank for that are the Farm Bureau and the VA Dog Hunting Alliance. Fucks be upon them both.
AppealPlay  [Member]
Originally Posted By ridinshotgun:
Originally Posted By AppealPlay:
Unfortunately, you'll probably right. As much as we all would love to see Sunday hunting, it seems highly unlikely given the proposal's fate in recent GA sessions.


Yeah the biggest groups you can thank for that are the Farm Bureau and the VA Dog Hunting Alliance. Fucks be upon them both.


I read something similar on the OpenCarry.org forum. Why would the dog hunting people be against Sunday hunting?
VaFish  [Member]
Originally Posted By AppealPlay:
Originally Posted By ridinshotgun:
Originally Posted By AppealPlay:
Unfortunately, you'll probably right. As much as we all would love to see Sunday hunting, it seems highly unlikely given the proposal's fate in recent GA sessions.


Yeah the biggest groups you can thank for that are the Farm Bureau and the VA Dog Hunting Alliance. Fucks be upon them both.


I read something similar on the OpenCarry.org forum. Why would the dog hunting people be against Sunday hunting?



Because the head if the VADHA is a religious nut that wants to force his beliefs on everyone else.
ridinshotgun  [Team Member]
Originally Posted By VaFish:
Originally Posted By AppealPlay:
Originally Posted By ridinshotgun:
Originally Posted By AppealPlay:
Unfortunately, you'll probably right. As much as we all would love to see Sunday hunting, it seems highly unlikely given the proposal's fate in recent GA sessions.


Yeah the biggest groups you can thank for that are the Farm Bureau and the VA Dog Hunting Alliance. Fucks be upon them both.


I read something similar on the OpenCarry.org forum. Why would the dog hunting people be against Sunday hunting?



Because the head if the VADHA is a religious nut that wants to force his beliefs on everyone else.


They are also pissed that the proponents of Sunday hunting are the same ones that put forth an effort to restrict dog hunting after the big dog hunting study came out a while back. They weren't happy with the study results either so they like poking a stick in everyone's eye that was associated with it.

The bill last year also specifically prohibited hunting with dogs on Sunday.

You can read some of their twisted logic of both counts in their newsletters:

vahda.org/PDFs/NewsletterSept14_2013.pdf
Sandlewood_3  [Member]
The farm bureau are the ones holding it up. They have the juice to kill it despite the economic benefits for the state that are undisputed.

This is an issue that a person with standing (ie got a ticket for Sunday hunting) needs to sue the state for passing a law support in organized religion restricting others rights.
greenhornet-1  [Member]
It would be awesome to go out on a Sunday afternoon and be able to hunt with no dogs running the hell out of deer.
AppealPlay  [Member]
I've nothing against hunting with dogs. We've been hunting with dogs in Virginia for as long as anyone can remember. It's a tradition.

That said, let's hunt on Sunday. Come on. This is insanity.
Poodleshooter  [Member]
Yeah, it's not going anywhere until Lee Ware retires or leaves that committee. I despise his decision on that, and am in his district, but he's not going anywhere. This issue aside, he's a relatively decent state rep. Even hunters in my district vote for him pretty solidly.

On deer with dogs....I need some help understanding this after a decade or so of hunting in VA.
I know I'm a carpetbagger, but I'm still not getting how dog hunting of deer is supposed to work. Sure, dogs bust deer out of heavy brush where they're otherwise unapproachable by still hunting in late season, but they also make them spooky as hell and drive them into even deeper cover, all at full speed so you get nothing but terrible running 100yd+ "texas heart shots" at flagging and sprinting deer butts through thick brush, even assuming you can stay with the running dogs. I have no idea how the actual people who organize the dogs to hunt happen to kill anything when the dogs jet ahead of them, and anyone on a stand being driven to must have to be miles away before the deer slow down below top speed to that slower semi-nervous walk that happens to be a decent time to shoot them. I've benefited from those easy to shoot fast trotting deer whose attention is preoccupied by the dogs that were trailing them, but I'm usually miles from where the drives start. I guess if you had some really, really predictable funnels and a HUGE tract of thousands of acres and gazillions of hunters to drive them to it could work, but darned if I can figure out the sense of it for the guys organizing the driving. Is the rationale just that at least this way you get more action than stand hunting over a food plot, or still hunting, and that those methods would be useless by the time firearms season rolls around?
I understand other dog hunting with shotguns just fine (rabbits, upland game,etc), but I don't have to worry as much about where my load of high brass #6 is going when I shoot at a rabbit, as I do popping off a .308 in the woods...

akakirby  [Team Member]
Looks like a Sunday hunting bill is bypassing the committee and going to the full house for a vote. At least that is how I am reading it. Sounds like we might have a good chance this year.

Sunday Hunting
CavScout  [Member]
I called my delegate and senator. Thanks for the update!
AeroEngineer  [Team Member]
Will contact my delegate and senator as well!
vagrenadeer  [Member]
Originally Posted By Poodleshooter:
Yeah, it's not going anywhere until Lee Ware retires or leaves that committee. I despise his decision on that, and am in his district, but he's not going anywhere. This issue aside, he's a relatively decent state rep. Even hunters in my district vote for him pretty solidly.

On deer with dogs....I need some help understanding this after a decade or so of hunting in VA.
I know I'm a carpetbagger, but I'm still not getting how dog hunting of deer is supposed to work. Sure, dogs bust deer out of heavy brush where they're otherwise unapproachable by still hunting in late season, but they also make them spooky as hell and drive them into even deeper cover, all at full speed so you get nothing but terrible running 100yd+ "texas heart shots" at flagging and sprinting deer butts through thick brush, even assuming you can stay with the running dogs. I have no idea how the actual people who organize the dogs to hunt happen to kill anything when the dogs jet ahead of them, and anyone on a stand being driven to must have to be miles away before the deer slow down below top speed to that slower semi-nervous walk that happens to be a decent time to shoot them. I've benefited from those easy to shoot fast trotting deer whose attention is preoccupied by the dogs that were trailing them, but I'm usually miles from where the drives start. I guess if you had some really, really predictable funnels and a HUGE tract of thousands of acres and gazillions of hunters to drive them to it could work, but darned if I can figure out the sense of it for the guys organizing the driving. Is the rationale just that at least this way you get more action than stand hunting over a food plot, or still hunting, and that those methods would be useless by the time firearms season rolls around?
I understand other dog hunting with shotguns just fine (rabbits, upland game,etc), but I don't have to worry as much about where my load of high brass #6 is going when I shoot at a rabbit, as I do popping off a .308 in the woods...



For what it is worth, most of the dog hunting counties and areas are shotgun only areas too. I am not a huge fan of dog hunting vs stand or still hunting (grew up in the western portion of the state where they don't do that), but when done correctly it is safe and can be very action packed. In my limited experience the fellows following the dogs are running the dogs, not actively hunting themselves (slung shotguns or nothing). The hunters are usually posted on pre established stands or spots in the woods (and don't leave them for safety reasons), and the dogs work the area and give chase when they run one up. I have had deer run within 15 yards of me and stop to listen for the dogs that are a ways behind them. Dog hunting doesn't necessarily = long shots. It does usually mean that late season hunting is TOUGH.
VaFish  [Member]
Originally Posted By akakirby:
Looks like a Sunday hunting bill is bypassing the committee and going to the full house for a vote. At least that is how I am reading it. Sounds like we might have a good chance this year.

Sunday Hunting



The house bill bypassed the sub committee (death committee) and went to the full committee. It passed the full committee and is now headed to the full house for a vote.

Best chance we have seen to get it passed, but it still has a long way to go.
Followthehollow  [Team Member]
Originally Posted By akakirby:
Looks like a Sunday hunting bill is bypassing the committee and going to the full house for a vote. At least that is how I am reading it. Sounds like we might have a good chance this year.

Sunday Hunting



Lets keep our fingers crossed.

I've never been able to comprehend why I'm not allowed to hunt on my own damn land ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. It's really screwed me out of a lot of hunting time, as for the last 7 years up until this past season Sunday has been my day off with hours that preclude hunting the rest of the week.
Burley  [Team Member]
This might explain why there hasn't been any action on SB154. That bill is very similar in language to the passed house bill.

Very confident that the HB will pass the house and senate. But it seems to be a regular game, a bill will pass in one, get batted around and then die on the vine in the other. Quite pleased this bill didn't get referred to a subcommittee.
Burley  [Team Member]
Based on the House debate, doesn't look good.
VaFish  [Member]
Originally Posted By Burley:
Based on the House debate, doesn't look good.


Bill is listed as Engrossed, I read that means amendments are incorporated into it. Is there another vote on it now in the house or has it passed the house and on to the senate?
Burley  [Team Member]
Third reading coming up.

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?141+sum+HB1237
1srelluc  [Team Member]
I figure with the Dems now in office this is the best chance in years for getting Sunday hunting signed into law. No one is ever going to mistake McAwful for a religious zealot.
ridinshotgun  [Team Member]
Originally Posted By Burley:
Third reading coming up.

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?141+sum+HB1237


It passed but I expect it to die when it goes to the Senate.
Burley  [Team Member]
I'm cautiously optimistic about the bill's chances in the senate. The HB has several senators as co-patron. This might finally happen.
VaFish  [Member]
Even my antigun senator Marsden has signed on as a co-sponsor.

A similar bill passed the senate 2 years ago.

I think we got a good shot on this one.
Thayes66  [Team Member]
Passed in the house today now on to the Senate where this same version passed two years ago.
VaFish  [Member]
Originally Posted By Thayes66:
Passed in the house today now on to the Senate where this same version passed two years ago.



The version that passed 2 years ago did not have the exclusion for dogs on Sunday did it?