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Originally Posted By steelworker:
245 gr. Missouri blackout bullet 11.8 gr. CFE BLK 2.020 oal Runs great suppressed or not. Bolt holds open. No accuracy testing done yet Edit: Also forgot to mention that it seems quieter than AA1680 View Quote |
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Originally Posted By ConcernedCitizen: Where can one find the Z-Max bullets? My recent searches came up empty. I've seen the gel test on the 110 gr. V-max, which was impressive. Any idea how the 110 gr. Nosler Varmageddon bullets compare to the V-Max & Z-Max? View Quote Currently in stock for $0.24/ea. |
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Originally Posted By bm3: I just got some of those. The seems like a real deep setting. View Quote what works for me may not for you. When I got the MBC bullets I could not find any published data. |
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Originally Posted By steelworker: I have used that col for both an ar and a handi rifle. It showed no signs of pressure on either rifle. what works for me may not for you. When I got the MBC bullets I could not find any published data. View Quote No pressure signs and good accuracy but I’m gonna back the charge down so it’s a soft lob. |
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I've used the Missouri 245s over 8.8 grains of lil gun with an overall length of 2.125" in my 9.5" barrel SBR. They shoot great in mine and hold the bolt open.
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My 300BLK 147gr Supers w H110 & Lil Gun. My goal was to find a matching load for both powders. Both are super accurate and function 100% suppressed and unsuppressed with my Ballistic Advantage 8” barrel.
147gr FMJ 12.5c 15.5gr Lil Gun 5.8c SRP 2.6c Case Length 1.358” OAL 2.10” Very light crimp FCD Chrono 15.4gr=1655, 15.5gr=1674 15.6gr=1696 21c/rd w/ recycled brass 147gr FMJ 12.5c 16.4gr H110/W296 3c SRP 2.6c Case length 1.358" 2.100” OAL Very light crimp FCD Chrono 1682fps 18c/rd w/ recycled brass Next I need to test some 125 TNT & 208 Amax. |
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Originally Posted By Orangehat762:
I use the same load for my 8.5" barrel. Works very well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Going to be trying out loading 300blk for first time over the winter months and was wondering what else I needed coming from handgun caliber reloading, other than dies obviously?
Going to be starting with 250-300 once fired, will this save me from having to deal with trimming or is that needed every time when reloading rifle cases? Think I'm going to start with coated MBC bullets. Thanks. |
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300BLK reloading starts from the very beginning as a fun endeavor and just gets more fun as you go.
I'd start with stocking-up on the funest bullet I can think of for the 300BLK, the Hornady 110 poly tip in zombie green; Midway cat # 511539; Hornady # 23011. Midway has this amazing, imho, bullet on special now so stock-up....you're welcome. Large part of what makes this bullet so great is that most any powder in the magnum handgun burn rate will shread one hole at 100 yards. 18gr Lil-Gun, 19.8gr Alliant MP-300, 19gr IMR 4227, all provided great results with the 110gr-.308 Hornady Z-Max. As always follow proper reloading protocol and verify any and all load data with published manufacturer data. |
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Originally Posted By xd45c:
Going to be trying out loading 300blk for first time over the winter months and was wondering what else I needed coming from handgun caliber reloading, other than dies obviously? Going to be starting with 250-300 once fired, will this save me from having to deal with trimming or is that needed every time when reloading rifle cases? Think I'm going to start with coated MBC bullets. Thanks. View Quote Look in a reloading manual and it will give a max length (1.368) and a "trim to length" (1.358). So you have to measure the OAL of each case AFTER SIZING to see if you need to trim. Less than max length, no need to trim for plinking ammo. Me, I trim all new to me cases so they are all the same as I like accurate ammo. In my case, I trim to 1.360, just because I like even numbers. |
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Originally Posted By dcbiii:
Anyone loading those Hornady 150gr soft points subsonic? Have a boatload of them from Hornady mail in rebates and would love to run them subsonic, but the data around the forums seems sketchy. I am running a 10.5" bbl, pistol gas AR and would be blown away if they'd cycle the gun and be subsonic. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By PA452:
Picked up a CZ 527 Blackout. Dies are on the way; I've been reading about the options, what people have been using for loading subs, and I'm not seeing a very clear trend. This rifle will exclusively be used for subsonics, plinking but also some hunting (maybe close range coyotes, foxes, groundhogs, raccoons, etc..). We'll see how that goes, maybe I'd be willing to try using it for short range deer down the road too. Anyway at the moment I'm looking for bullet and powder recommendations. Seems like a lot of guys prefer to shoot a mid-range size bullets out of their bolt guns, say 168-175s rather than the 220s. I'm looking for accuracy and quiet, if it's cheaper that's great too. Based on a couple of things I've read, to start, I'm zeroing in on 175gr SMKs with Unique. Any reason to look elsewhere? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks View Quote Typically I go with 6.0gr of Trailboss and a 150gr FMJ as it is both quiet and cheap to shoot. SMKs are gonna be an expensive bullet to shoot. And Unique is a nasty, dirty old powder. There are tons of better choices available. |
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Originally Posted By SilencerMan:
With a bolt gun you can run just about anything subsonic. I've run little 100gr semi-jacketed soft points with small powder charges for super quiet plinking loads. Typically I go with 6.0gr of Trailboss and a 150gr FMJ as it is both quiet and cheap to shoot. SMKs are gonna be an expensive bullet to shoot. And Unique is a nasty, dirty old powder. There are tons of better choices available. View Quote I've been rolling with Unique for almost a year now. It's very quiet, and I'm not finding it overly dirty. I was using 175gr SMKs. I've recently tried 190gr SMKs. Getting excellent results with both. |
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100-110gr bullet with 4.5gr Trailboss is an excellent plinking load and ridiculously quiet.
150gr bullet with 5.2gr N320 - nice clean burning powder 150gr bullet with 6.5gr Trailboss - very quiet 180gr bullet with 6.0gr RedDot - this is an older powder and may be a bit dirty 200gr bullet with 6.5gr RedDot 200gr bullet with 5.7gr Trailboss - can't fit anymore powder in the case. I've tried a ton of different powders in my bolt gun. It is possible to get away with small loads of v fast burning pistol powders that would not cycle an AR action. Stuff like N310, N320, RedDot, AA#5, HS6, BlueDot, N340. Some are better than others and some are quieter than others. |
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You can run the same powders in an ar, just have to cycle the action. Can even go so far as to turn off the gas with an adjustable block or carrier. Then the shooter does not get the port pop.
This is where a side charger would come in handy. |
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Just loaded up 150 of the Powerbond 120gr plated bullets.
19.0gr CFE BLK 1.910” COAL Should be somewhere in the ballpark of 2000 FPS hopefully and make for a cheap plinking round. Currently loading these at 22cpr or around $4.48 per box! If they shoot good, this will be my go to plinking round! |
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Loaded up a small test batch of 220gr lead powder coated bookies. Hopefully I can find a nice subsonic plinking round to go along with the 120gr plated power bonds for my super sonic plinkers.
220g 10.0-11.0gr CFE blk in .2gr increments. 2.250 COAL (the boolit is seared probably half way down the case with how long these are!) |
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Originally Posted By paduce:
300BLK reloading starts from the very beginning as a fun endeavor and just gets more fun as you go. I'd start with stocking-up on the funest bullet I can think of for the 300BLK, the Hornady 110 poly tip in zombie green; Midway cat # 511539; Hornady # 23011. Midway has this amazing, imho, bullet on special now so stock-up....you're welcome. Large part of what makes this bullet so great is that most any powder in the magnum handgun burn rate will shread one hole at 100 yards. 18gr Lil-Gun, 19.8gr Alliant MP-300, 19gr IMR 4227, all provided great results with the 110gr-.308 Hornady Z-Max. As always follow proper reloading protocol and verify any and all load data with published manufacturer data. View Quote Just curious, I looked up what Hodgdon has to say and their starting load for Lil-gun as 19.9gr for the 110 V-max. How did you settle on 18gr? Where you working down for a lighter recoil or did you just start a workup much lower? One note I did notice was that this starting load shows much higher velocity and pressure versus their listed data for h110 and CFE BLK (just what I happened to look up). |
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Good morning colonel, all.
Hodgedon's data has mystified me and others with many loads and calibers for years. I like to play, SAFELY play. I love sizing .314 .32 H&R Magnum lead bullets down to .308 and gas-checking and 16.1 grains of Lil-Gun was really accurate and cycled the action. For $hits/giggles I bumped the Lil-Gun charge up knowing Hodgedon's data because an trusted internet source stated function and accuracy with Hornady 110 poly-tip. But every rifle is different, especially 300BLK AR rifles; with infinite combinations of chamber tightness, gas port sizes, action spring strengths, buffer weights, bcg weights, etc. ETA: Powder cost at that time was outrageous and availability was thin, so being stingy with powder was also a consideration. Another ETA: Barnes Bullets has better data for 300BLK than many. |
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Gotcha, thanks. I'm on the road for work so all I could look up was online stuff. I'll check manuals when I get home.
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Hey guys;
I am trying to work my way through this entire thread, but only on page 6. I wish there was a way to search within a specific thread. Man that would be nice. Anyhow, I recently opened up a new thread about reloading some 220 Leatherhead coated projectiles. If anyone loads these and would like to share what has worked for them I would appreciate it. I have AA1680 and Lilgun. I am open to different powders-never mind an excuse to buy more. Or you can post up some suggestions in my thread here. |
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Brand new to reloading of all types. Tomorrow I'm going to Grafs and want to pick up what I need to start loading Blackout. Im only interested in loading subsonic right now. Shooting a PSA 7.5" pistol length, 1/8 with a SilencerCo Omega 300 so not user serviceable. Im looking for any guidance on anything but mainly for now, what components to get. Ive been reading and have decided NOT to go with lead or coated bullets for now. This will just be plinking ammo so looking for somewhat cheap. Ive narrowed it down to Berrys 220 gr sp for $.21 or Hornady 225 gr BTHP match for $.33. Any thoughts on these two? Of course Im open to other options or other places I should be looking for bullets.
For powder, It seems like Lil Gun gets mentioned more than any others. Ive got Nosler and Lyman books. Both of them have 4198 and 1680 listed in their subsonic load data. Nosler has many others including Lil Gun and it has Winchester 296 listed as the most accurate tested out of 10 different powders shooting 220 gr BTHP. I was planning on going with Lil Gun because of the popularity on different forums but the W296 listed as being most accurate has me considering it. Thoughts? Thanks in advance |
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I like coated bullets, it prevents lead dust from accumulating in the can. W296 is interchangeable with h110, I use h110 for all my 458socom and 44mag loading. I try to keep my powder types to a minimum. If you want super quiet try trailboss. But it might not cycle without enlarging to gas port.
Have not worked up any loads with trailboss in the 300blk so not sure it it would actually get enough velocity. |
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Please check my logic here...
I currently load 125gr HP & 147gr FMJ supers with H110 and 208gr Amax subs with Lil Gun. I need to stock up on powder soon and after reading some, it seems like I could just use CFE BLK for all of my loads. CFE BLK is reported to be quieter than these powders and is just a few numbers slower on the Hogdon burn rate chart. Any downside other than spotty availability? I looked at IMR 4227 and 4198 but both are stick powders which I’d prefer to stay away from. Guns are both 8” BA barreled ARs. On point of reference, https://www.hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/burn-rate-color.pdf |
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FWIW, I like H110/W296 for the 125gr rounds, Lil’Gun on the 147 gr and 1680 for the heavy/subs.
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Originally Posted By SilencerMan:
100-110gr bullet with 4.5gr Trailboss is an excellent plinking load and ridiculously quiet. View Quote |
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hey all,
I started reloading about 6 months ago, reloading mostly 556 and 9mm. I recently got a 300blk upper and wanted to reload some Hornady 150gr SP i got for a good price for some plinking. I have read this entire thread (took all day) but I didn't see my question answered. Regarding the .250 OAL method described on the first page, For my bullet I measured around 2.08 for OAL. The Hornady manual I have says 2.22 for OAL, which seems like a big difference. This would be my first time deviating from what the manual says, so I am wondering the best way to develop the load. Should I work my way up from starting load first with the OAL the manual says, dealing with the feeding issues. Then, go back and work my way down to 2.08 OAL? OR, is it safe to just start out at 2.08 OAL with the starting load and work my way up? Sorry if this is a noob question. |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
That's me with the advice to use the .250 ogive method. Yes Hornady 9 uses 2.22 for an OAL. This is the method to use if you want the rounds to feed from a 223 mag into a 300 blk AR. I have loaded this bullet with H-110, A-1680, and Lil'Gun. My OAL is 2.03, not 2.08. Lil'Gun being my first choice. Reloading manual OAL is a suggestion and not set in stone. Just a report of what happened when they used the components listed. Bottle neck cases (300 blk) have more case volume than straight sided pistol rounds (like 9mm) so are much more forgiving on OAL. With straight sided pistol rounds, yes OAL should be closely followed, just doesn't apply to bottleneck rounds. This is a long thread with some questions repeated a lot, good on you to read the whole thing. Yes, work up from the start load (lowest charge listed) and use 2.03 as your OAL. I trim my 300 blk cases to 1.360 and with that OAL the bullet seats in the cannelure. Not that that really matters. I put a light crimp on my loads with a Lee FCD, (factory crimp die). https://i.imgur.com/iVrvup1l.jpg I save my brass with loose primer pockets and use them for dummy rounds. (sized case with seated bullet, no primer or powder) Hornady 150 gr Spire Point is the top round on the left. Welcome to our hobby. View Quote I never thought of the idea of using cases with loose primer pockets for dummy rounds. That is a great idea! Cheers. |
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Originally Posted By ShepherdDogGuy: Thanks for the quick reply. I will load them to 2.03, I only have h110 on hand at the moment, and became a bit concerned with your pressure issues you stated earlier. I am planning on loading them conservatively since they are just for shooting steel, so hopefully I won't have any primers coming out. I never thought of the idea of using cases with loose primer pockets for dummy rounds. That is a great idea! Cheers. View Quote I did and had issues, funny how that works. Don't be a dummy like I was that day. |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Don't exceed the listed max charge and you will be fine. I did and had issues, funny how that works. Don't be a dummy like I was that day. View Quote Good to know, one more question. I’ve been watching a ton of YouTube videos of ballistics gel tests and seeing that a good portion of load options for 300 blackout don’t expand and over penetrate. Are there other options for bullets that expand well besides the expensive Barnes and Nosler or leihigh options? Hard to stock pile ammo when the bullet itself is so expensive. Would the Speer TNT 125 grain, or Hornady 110 Vmax be a good all around option for hunting and home defense? |
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Interesting factoid. About a year ago, I purchased a bunch of 5.56 blanks. Figured why not, they were cheap enough (I think $50ish shipped for a MFRB?). Some were mangled, but who cares. Cheap, right?
Well Ive been in the chopping/cleaning process, and none of them have crimped primers. These are LC09 vintage brass too. Im running my supply of 208 AMAX low. Whats the replacement for those now? And will Hornady EVER release the Sub-X as a component? |
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Are coated bullets doing OK for subsonic plinking? I was looking at Missouri bullet Co. Worried about mess in the suppressor. How accurate are these really at 50-100 yds.
Are there any subsonic bullets that are appropriate for self defense? Would hunting be a same or separate bullet? I have supers covered for now. Gun is an aac barrel pistol. |
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Coated bullets are just fine in a suppressor. I’ve used those bullets in my 9 mm can. A subsequent cleaning showed no presence of the coating.
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Originally Posted By ShepherdDogGuy:
Good to know, one more question. I've been watching a ton of YouTube videos of ballistics gel tests and seeing that a good portion of load options for 300 blackout don't expand and over penetrate. Are there other options for bullets that expand well besides the expensive Barnes and Nosler or leihigh options? Hard to stock pile ammo when the bullet itself is so expensive. Would the Speer TNT 125 grain, or Hornady 110 Vmax be a good all around option for hunting and home defense? View Quote I have only shot paper with them. |
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Can anyone point me in a direction for load data on a 7.5" barrel ?
I've got some Berrys 220gr bullets to try and wondered where I should be starting. I loaded a few 190gr SMK's with 11.0 and 11.2gr of H4198 and only seeing 800-900fps. I have H110, A1680 and H4198 as my primary go-to powders... but still early in the subsonic leaning curve. I also have a bunch of 110gr Vmax bullets to load. Wondering if this short 7.5" barrel has enough tube to get these bullets up to speed. |
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My experience shooting subs with H110 mirrors yours with the inconsistent velocity. It does fine at lower weights/higher velocities.
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Originally Posted By sheltot:
My experience shooting subs with H110 mirrors yours with the inconsistent velocity. It does fine at lower weights/higher velocities. View Quote Running out of daylight here and just grazed the chrono with a round. Hopefully the damage is just cosmetic. Edit to add... Just loaded up 5 rounds with 12.0gr of A1680 but none of them registered on the chrony. I think its dead... or not enough daylight to work. They did sound and cycle great, so I will load up another batch and try again tomorrow after work. Attached File Attached File |
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Ouch!. That's why I now have a labradar.
9.5h110 seems like a good load. |
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Is there such thing as a suitable subsonic 300 BO SD load?
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200gn expanding bullets would work great. Will have ballistics similar to a 45acp maybe a little better. Just need to look into the legal side of self loaded ammunition.
I personally will not worry too much about which firearm I grab if it comes to HD. Pistol always at the ready and rifles within less that 30 seconds. |
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As @bldsmith said, you’ve got .45 ACP similar terminal performance, maybe, with a smaller diameter hole if it doesn’t open up. Do you have a can? If not, it’s going to be loud anyway. Do you have an AR pistol or SBR? If not, you’ve got .45 ACP-ish performance in a less wieldy package.
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Well... after the chrony took a bullet a few days ago... I wasnt expecting much from it... but to my amazement, it still works like a champ.
Sent some more rounds into the woodpile after work tonight. Looks like 12.0gr of A1680 is going to be my drop under the Berrys 220gr. Attached File |
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Just loaded up a few with some powder from a local buddy of mine.
He dropped off an 8lb jug of Thunderbird T-680 to try. I think this stuff is the cats ass... Using Berrys 220gr over 12.0gr of T-680, 2.125 coal. PSA 7.5" SBR, Triple X suppressor. 5 shot string= 1) 1060 2) 1050 3) 1055 4) 1046 5) 1038 |
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Originally Posted By Dragracer_Art:
Just loaded up a few with some powder from a local buddy of mine. He dropped off an 8lb jug of Thunderbird T-680 to try. I think this stuff is the cats ass... Using Berrys 220gr over 12.0gr of T-680, 2.125 coal. PSA 7.5" SBR, Triple X suppressor. 5 shot string= 1) 1060 2) 1050 3) 1055 4) 1046 5) 1038 View Quote |
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